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John B

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if not closer to metal, closer to boogie or jam?   Like that Live at Leeds album?   You guys play that one in the minivan still? 

Seriously, I still think you guys undervalue the Stones--except for that kds word choice 'tons', as in the 'tons' of better songs the Stones did after Altamount, after Watergate even. 

But respectful disagreement.
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kds

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I may prefer The Who to The Stones, but I still think the Stones are a phenomenal band, but an overall great catalog.  


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John B

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What I will concede is that The Who were better in a paisley/Nehru war.  They could do their own Pet Sounds/Sgt. Pepper better than the Stones could.  Satanic Majesties is not up there very highly. I get that.   But that wasn't really the Stones forte'.  They made for awful hippies.  They painted it black not paisley! more like Elvis on TV in '68.
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David W

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It's going to be a walkover for the Beach Boys but I love all these tracks !


1. The Beach Boys
2. Supremes
3. Stones
4. Elvis

I'm a Motown nut and still think Stop In The Name Of Love is one of the greatest "pop" songs ever ....love the Funk Brothers the Motown backing group....heres the instrumental of My World Is Empty . I equally loved Junior Walker and The All Stars , Four Tops , Temps , Smokey etc. Stax label also essential so Otis, Eddie Floyd , Booker T.
These are in addition to Beatles , BBs , Who and Stones and all the Nile Rodgers variations Chic etc. There's also Kate Bush......could go on and on .


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Larry Franz

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Al -- It's a great topic and you've got an interesting Who's Better, Who's Best discussion going already.

Although I wish I wasn't hosting next week because your topic is very similar to mine. Great minds, unfortunately. [smile]

At first glance, I thought the only "essential" for me is Brian. Not even Beethoven's 9th. But that's taking "essential" to mean "absolutely necessary", or as absolutely necessary as music can be, since strictly speaking music isn't absolutely necessary at all.

Taking "essential" to mean "extremely important", however, allows me to include a lot of Neil Young, especially with Crazy Horse, plus Chuck Berry, the pre-Tommy Who and a lot from the first 20 years or so of the Stones. Also Elliott Smith. (In earlier years, I'd have included Harry Nilsson and the Roches for sure, and maybe R.E.M.)

Considering my extreme fondness for the Stones and early Elvis, and my relative lack of interest in Motown, it's surprising that voting this week is so easy.


Gold -- The Beach Boys -- The only song I ever waited years to hear again and still clearly remember hearing the first and second time.

Silver -- The Supremes -- The instrumental track David W. posted is one reason why.

Bronze -- Elvis Presley -- Ok, but doesn't do much for me.

Tin -- The Rolling Stones -- Don't know why, but I've never cared for this one. But then I'm the only one who awarded tin to "Sound of Free".


A few "essentials":

The Beach Boys, "In My Room" and "Don't Worry Baby"





Ludwig van Beethoven, Symphony No. 9 in D minor, Op. 125, 4th movement:



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Lee Marshall

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Essential artists?  That's a subject worth pondering and the diversity of the expanding list will differ greatly as we all have a reason why certain of the greats rise to being essential.

For me Brian, Carl, Dennis and Al are and/or were essential.  David was for a period of time...as were Mike and Bruce.  Now they're just great to have along for the continuation of what they once achieved collectively.  [as long as Love doesn't drag along all of his baggage, dirty laundry and foolish secret 'agendae'...'cause he has so many things which he likes to moan and drone about ad infinitum......talk about never-ending tedium]  Most of the music they did TOGETHER from '63 [not '61 or '62] through to and including 1973...plus selected items after '73 including much of the Wilsons' solo efforts rings a spiritual bell for me.

Others?  Sure.

Bob Marley.  Someone once said if all of the major newspapers of the world would print selected Bob Marley lyrics on their front pages EVERY day that the world would be a better place.  I concur.  Unfortunately THAT will never happen as right-wingers seem to care only for their own well being and chances at prosperity and weak links are to be not only created but ignored no matter what that does to 'the chain'.  Marley rings the same bells in my soul which knows the difference between the man-made fantasies and the true realities of the ethereal oneness of universal possibilities worth pursuing.

I would also include the Beatles collectively as they gave us SO MANY meaningful contributions and to George Harrison individually as well.  George knew too.

There are others who come part way for me...but NOT all of the way...for various different and unique reasons.  Dylan, Lightfoot, Elton, Clapton, Zeppelin/Plant, Stevie Wonder and Joe Bonamassa are significant ... but truly essential?  Not like the Boys, Bob and the Fabs.  [including even John Lennon who had the other 3 to help tame him down to the point of being acceptable some of the time...and brilliant too...every now and then.]
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kds

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I wonder if their songs not being on Youtube lead to The Beatles not being included here, as they're essential.  

Lee, I know at least two conservatives who appreciate Bob Marley - my wife and myself.  

My own essential list is Pink Floyd, Queen, The Beatles, Iron Maiden, Deep Purple, The Beach Boys, The Who, Black Sabbath, Rainbow, and The Doors.  
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Lee Marshall

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For anyone to be essential for ME personally...they will have had to have made both a gigantic, significant and  meaningful contribution/positive difference to me and to my life as I've lived it. They also will have contributed in an ongoing way to, and for, the positive well-being of a significant number of others...[like millions and millions of others]

So...my essentials are more than just a list of favourites.  WAY more.
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Oh and kds...I don't know that conservatives are necessarily always "right-wingers"...at least not in my opinion.  Conservatives aren't closed minded just because they choose what they consider to be a safer and possibly more successful path to a shared success story.  Conservatives would still be happy if EVERYBODY [at least all of the decent folks] won. 

Right wingers?  It's only and always only and ALL about 'THEM'.  The rest of us?  Well...kite flying is too good for us.  So we can't even go fly one of those. 
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I'd say, nine out of ten in my list would qualify as "essential" artists then.  

Rainbow is probably the exception.  Despite a brief period in the early 80s, they didn't reach as many others, and remain a bit of a cult band despite the massive talent involved in their many lineups.  
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Lee Marshall

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So Blackmore put them together this summer for nuthin?  [wink]

Bummer. 
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kds

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So Blackmore put them together this summer for nuthin?  [wink]

Bummer. 


Well, I was hoping for a tour personally, as I've never seen Blackmore in concert, and he's my all time favorite guitarist.  

But, Ritchie's sticking with his medieval music.  

I love Rainbow, and I think they did have some influence, but I don't think they quite reached the iconic status of the other artists I mentioned.  Having a different lineup on each of their nine albums probably didn't help.  
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John B

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Best, essential, and favorite: of these, essential sounds least subjective.  Don't see how you leave off Elvis and then skip all the way to Rainbow.  That accounting does not sound very conservative, I tell you what.
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Like I said earlier, I think Elvis is very overrated, so I wouldn't include him on my Top 10 anything really.  

Rainbow, on the other hand, I find to be very underrated.  Though, I know they'll never crack any essential / best type of list (unless it's a Top 100 maybe), and will never be considered for the glass house over in Cleveland.  
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Larry Franz

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Regarding Dylan and the Beatles: Obviously, they're giants, but maybe I'm contrarian enough that I resisted forming an emotional attachment to their music back when so many said they were the best thing since sliced bread.

But Dylan is very important to me now, so thanks for bringing him up.

Not the Beatles, however. After Spotify added the Beatles catalog, I made four playlists, picking favorites from their albums: Rubber Revolver (21 songs), Pepper Magic (16), White Minus (21) and Abbey It Be (16). That was in December 2015. Don't think I've played any of them since, although sometimes I play one of their early albums in the car.  

There are, fortunately, some odds and ends on YouTube. Not "Strawberry Fields", as Al said, but "A Day in the Life", for example:



And a selection from Dylan: "Don't Think Twice, It's Alright"



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Lee Marshall

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Best, essential, and favorite: of these, essential sounds least subjective.  Don't see how you leave off Elvis and then skip all the way to Rainbow.  That accounting does not sound very conservative, I tell you what.


Well...No.  Coke is best.  Rum and coke is a favourite.  BUT...in order to have a rum and cola only the RUM is essential.

Oxygen is essential.  The smell of popcorn wafting through the air might only be a favourite.  The long flight of a properly hit 5 wood might be the 'best' 200 yard shot of the day...if it cuts through the wind addled air and lands on the green.

I think essential is in a league of its own.
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