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Al Forsyth

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Lee's got it above - essential -  "For anyone to be essential for ME personally...they will have had to have made both a gigantic, significant and  meaningful contribution/positive difference to me and to my life as I've lived it. They also will have contributed in an ongoing way to, and for, the positive well-being of a significant number of others...[like millions and millions of others]"

David - yes, LOVE that track with the background vocals snuck in there.  The strings come up later but could have really enhanced the song if more in the mix.  Someone did their own remix of it on YouTube.  This isn't it but catch the girls Watch and listen.


Larry, with the minds thinking alike - maybe it's a continuation?  [rolleyes]

kds - I tried a few things to make the Beatles happen here.  I think we battlers will have to put our tech-heads together to go beyond YouTube.  The Beatles ARE essential artists and I so much wanted to see how that would play out this week.

Respectful disagreements are fine, John B.

Really the way we go is just state the reason why somebody or some group may be essential to you and we'll all be fine.   And please don't harsh someone's mellow. 

Further, an essential artist?  Definitely.  Lennie Bernstein knew it!  Inside Pop:


Let's keep on voting and sharing.  Who's your essential and why? 

Good start on this!!!

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Al -- Yes, next week will be a continuation of sorts. I'll be expanding on your theme or casting a wider net.

This discussion of what's essential is making me feel a little superficial, since I love music and have spent a good part of my life listening to it, but have never thought of it as having anything like life-changing significance.

Anyway, "Between the Bars" (Either/Or, 1997) is Elliott Smith's most popular song on Spotify and apparently on YouTube too. I couldn't tell you why I enjoy his music so much, other than to say his voice and his melodies are often quite beautiful. And it often feels like he's communicating something very important, even though I couldn't say what that is.



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Darren J. Ray

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Gold - Suspicious Minds (Elvis Presley - 1969)
Hard to go past this. Yep, it’s a cover, and pretty much the same arrangement as the Mark James original, which I’d never heard until this week. Either way, it’s a terrific song. Tune, lyrics, arrangement. The Elvis version features Reggie Young (saw him live with The Highwaymen) and those Memphis Boys (Bobby Emmons, Tommy Cogbill, Bobby Wood, Mike Leech, Gene Chrisman). They’re not mentioned on Wikipedia, but I have a listing that came with an Elvis LP that reliably credits Ronnie Milsap on piano (as well as Wood) AND vocals. Sandy Posey is also listed on vocals. It’s the same line-up that recorded ‘In the Ghetto’ from the same sessions and ‘Kentucky Rain’ (sans Milsap) a month later. The truth is out there. Carole Kaye also claimed she played on it!  Maybe she meant the Mark James one!

Silver - My World Is Empty Without You (The Supremes - 1965)
This seems the poor cousin of the week, but the whole combination of the Holland-Dozier-Holland, great house band and vocals is irresistible. That horn arrangement! Great feel. Vital. Not a Diane Ross fan, and tend to think Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard got the rough end of the pineapple, but….

Bronze - Surf’s Up (The Beach Boys - 1966 & 1971/2011)
Still think it’s unfinished. ‘Surf’s up, mmmm, mmmm, mmmm’. That’s finished? I know Jimmy Webb is a big fan. I just wish he’d written the lyrics.

Participant - Honky Tonk Women (The Rolling Stones - 1969)
Respect but not really a Stones fan. One of their ‘What’s on another station?’ songs.


‘Strawberry Fields Forever’ would have gotten my Gold, by the way.

But if you listen closely to the very end of the second fade-out of ‘Suspicious Minds’, apparently you can hear someone say “Verden buried Jesse”.


Essential?

Not sure if anyone was essential in my life. And my influences are many.

The biggest are probably The Beatles, The Kingston Trio, The Everly Brothers and The Seekers.

 

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Al, a great theme, and obviously close to the heart.

For most of my life, waaay before I became a Beach Boys and Brian fan, I have had a special feeling for this song.  (Which I used to call my funeral song.)  I was singing and loving this at six years old.



Another song that had a big impact when I was small was this one, and I have no idea why.  I rediscovered it and loved it again when I heard an acoustic performance of it in high school.  Sylvia "Nobody".



Interesting week, moving into the psyche of the battler... 



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Darren J. Ray

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bonnie, you're the only other person I know who even knows 'Nobody'!

I bought it when it came out. I don't think it was a hit here, though. Still a favourite. 
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Okay day one is in my books and some "debates" did enter during this but that's okay when they somehow get sorted. 

Thanks to Pete for kicking off the voting from the NYC Oyster Bar, and KDS, John B, Lee, David, Larry and Darren to round out the day. Artists and songs with some impact and who are essential listening or helped you grow in some way, shape or form are the order of the week.  And Bonnie, I remember Nobody, but she, Sylvia, was kind of a flash wasn't she?  Get your psyche on when you cast.  SJB = funeral?  [rolleyes]

Larry to follow-up will be cool.

Keep the essential votes coming! 


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PLATINUM for the Beatles, one of my....what? What do you mean "disqualified"? Has YouTube surrendered to the Blue Meanies?!?!

GOLD for The Beach Boys. I enjoy these guys a lot. When they are brilliant, it doesn't get much better.

SILVER to The Supremes. Considering her 'diva' reputation, I had to laugh several years ago at the "Return to Love Tour", which "reunited" Diana Ross with 2 former Supremes members (Cindy Birdsong, who had originally replaced Diana, and Scherrie Payne) that she'd never shared a stage with. Sad that the promoters wouldn't cough up the $ to have Mary Wilson (and some integrity) involved. For once the public wasn't fooled. After playing fourteen dates of its 30 scheduled dates, the tour was canceled by slow ticket sales.

The Big BRONZE one for The Rolling Stones. The Stones became way less important to me after the firing, and subsequent passing of Brian Jones. There was a hint of experimentation that was somehow missing. And a few years later, 35 year old "bad boys" seemed like a stupid image (my opinion).

TIN to the King.
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"Up until Elvis joined the army, I thought it was beautiful music and Elvis was for me and my generation what the Beatles were to the '60s. But after he went into the army, I think they cut "les bollocks" off. They not only shaved his hair off but I think they shaved between his legs, too. He played some good stuff after the army, but it was never quite the same, It was like something happened to him psychologically. Elvis really died the day he joined the army. That's when they killed him, and the rest was a living death.". John Lennon


Live & Essential: Have I mentioned a kraziness for the Kinks? [crazy]


Live & Essential: Lovin' Spoonful

BTW, they've just reissued the Guild S-200 Thunderbird favored by Zal (and Muddy Waters, as well)
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/guild-s-200-tbird-solid-body-electric-guitar





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Bedford: that was the infamous interview John gave to Rolling Stone, with marriage and Beatles breakup looming any second and quite EXTREMELY addicted to heroin.   He also said how hip the Beatles were next to Jan and Dean's crew cuts (even though Jan & Dean did not have crew cuts in 1964, or even 1963).   It has been rather obliviously overly respected through the years but such ignorance it portrays for John.  I mean, he could listen to songs like 'One Night' 'Feel So Bad' 'Reconsider Baby' and 'If I can Dream' and hear unmanliness and subservience?   What?  He did not even know of Elvis '68 comeback?   This was also not far from when Jimi said that thing about may us overfed hippies never hear surf music again. 

Let's all be honest.  Who would win a fight in 1968?  John (heroin boy beardo) v. Elvis in the black leather--?

in summary, smacked out John Lennon in Playboy interviews and smacked out Jimi back of album covers can suq Eric Cartman's bal ls.
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...and concerning Brian Jones.  The Stones were better after him than before him.  Did he play any leads at all during the T.A.M.I. show?  Watch it and you tell me.  I suspect that when the group would call him the 'lead' guitarist, they were already appeasing a mentally ill man...

What great Stones songs did Brian write or sing lead on? 
What great Stones songs did he not write and not sing lead on?

If the Stones had ended in 1969, they would go down as a very good group but well-below the Beatles and the Kinks, and even below the Who.  They only became the world's greatest rock n roll band later.

What 'Brian was the best Rolling Stone' fans remind me of are 'Mike Love is the best Beach Boy' fans.  But with this one large exception:  Mike did MUCH more to make the Beach Boys great than Brian did for the Stones.
MUCH more....
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t, I believe Cindy Birdsong replaced Flo Ballard, but the 'Return to Love' tour put Scherrie Payne and Lynda Laurence with Ms Ross.

So much for a reunion! 

Messy, wasn't it.

I've read the Mary Wilson book, Dreamgirl: My Life as a Supreme

Surely no-one could read it and come away liking 'Lady Diana'. 

Gotta love that quote from Dr Winston O'Boogie. [thumb]
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Darren - you are so right about Cindy replacing Flo. Jean Terrell replaced Diana in 1970. Cindy (who became pregnant) was replaced by Lynda in 1972. Then Cindy rejoined in 1973 when Lynda got pregnant.

John, Heroin Lennon vs Upper/Downer Elvis? My money's on Lennon. February 1965 gave us Eight Days a Week....and Do the Clam. 1968 was Hey Jude/Revolution vs If I Can Dream. Sorry, Elvis was a greasy has been after he left the service. Was he a good singer? Sure. Was his post Army Post choice of material on purpose? If so, why?

And I didn't say Brian J. was the best Stone, only that his departure was noticeable (and for me, while the band was still good, they were lesser). Beggars Banquet was the last one I bought. Sticky Fingers was good.....but I had more important things to buy. I wonder how many leads Elvis played....and how many great songs he wrote.

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The Stones NEVER became the world's greatest Rock 'n' Roll band.  They only called themselves that.  Only parrots agreed.  I recall seeing the Stones headline the SARS benefit concert for Toronto.  That was just over 13 years ago.  They weren't even the best/greatest band there for that wee encapsulated  moment in time.  AC/DC just ***B L E W*** Mick and crew off of the ever-lovin' stage.  Poof.  Gone.

For quite awhile they were, though, the world's LAZIEST Rock 'n' Roll band living off of their past laurels...many of them accumulated while Brian Jones was an active and adventurous member of the band and their expanding sound.  They subsequently went for about a 1/4 of a century recording and releasing nothing much above basic, rehashed 'filler'.  A Bigger Bang was their first half decent l.p. in eons.

The Rolling Stones are pretty much just a business and it's been that way for close to 40 years.  Seemingly only Keith cares about the art...and poor old Charlie couldn't care less period.
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yeah, but see how you just slid that in there, Lee, about '...a bigger bang' being decent.   I'd vote better than decent, but my point made for me.  How old were the Stones on '...a bigger bang'?   Compare to these other groups at near that age.  When was THEIR last decent album?    The Stones open with a song from their mature days, usually, 'Start me Up'. That was on a decent album, Lee.  The one before that, 'Some Girls'.  Very decent.  More decent albums were to come, including 'Steel Wheels'.   There was a time when I was predisposed by my era to undervalue the Stones in favor of the Clash and the Jam and so forth.  It was OUR time, not their's.  And then, the Rolling Stones did "Undercover of the Night" in effect, out-Clashing the Clash.   You really want to compare the Rolling Stones to  Jr. High faves AC/DC?  what did they do of note...for eons?  fat guys in short pants whining in little girl falsetto voices?  I'm not even sure AC/DC were better than KISS... ha.  no, wait, not ha.  AC/DC has no song as good as 'Hard Luck Woman.'  kiss wins.!  

Yes, yes, Elvis was in some bad movies--not all of them were bad though and many after the service still included good songs.  I mean, 'King Creole' even was after the service..  He certainly misused drugs, especially at the very end.  But during the 60's, he was constantly trimmed down by constant movies and he also played full tackle football with large groups of friends.  You think John Lennon did that?  Please give me a break, Baby boomer.  You guys just laid around on the carpet, right?, he woke up and slept in the bath.   That's what I'm hearing: That sort of Baby Boomer our time is all that matters mindset.  So, in shorthand, Elvis died when he went into the Army, Chuck Berry was cheated by the law and the little girls he liked, Little Richard was conspired against to go crazier than he was to start with and become a preacher, and Jerry Lee was framed to marry the 13 year-old 2nd cousin in a marriage certain to last.  and Buddy Holly's plane was shot down by J. Edgar Hoover. and so forth.  so, by Early 60's, no rock n roll anymore.  So, Elvis appeared with Sinatra and all us Baby Boomers hated it, even though it was actually quite an event and those two singers were the greatest two American singers. and where was the rule that rockers had to sing only blues-based tunes?   But with rock n roll conspired against by the evil rock-hating U.S. government, it took the Beatles and other Brits to save it and prove forever that the Baby Boomers were everything the world could ever hope for, until Let it Be and in the end the love they took was equal to the love they were selfish about or something like that.  

1965, huh?  Eight Days a Week is kind of a snoozer to me.  "Tickle Me" might not be a good movie, but it was full of great songs all post-service, including "Put the Blame On me," "Dirty Dirty Feeling," "Night Rider," "Slowly but Surely," and "It Feels So Right."  All of these songs, I like MUCH more than 8 Days a Week or Can't Buy me Love or whatever.

'Elvis is Back' is after the service; it is one of his very best albums and in Lennon's home country, it sold more than any other Elvis album.  That John would not know (or remember?) that, I can only attribute to his drug abuse.

John Lennon (take a look back at the cover of the American album 'Hey Jude'--I don't think you really remember how he looked when he gave that RS interview, Bedford, and then take a look at the Elvis 68 TV special.  You'd take Lennon in a fight?    With whom?   Brian Epstein?  Cynthia?
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So, John,....you're basically saying that Do the Clam, er, trumps Eight Days a Week? Because that's what I'm hearing.

I dunno where your rant about Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly (etc.) comes from....they weren't in the discussion...and were barely in this 8 year olds musical world (at the time of their hits). Sinatra? My world is blissfully Flat Albert-free.


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Come on Bedford, you've heard that shorthand that is always trotted out to over praise the Beatles and how they saved rock n roll in 1964 after it died in 1959.  As Beach Boys fans, we know it's not true, or 4 Freshman fans, or Lesley Gore fans, or Gene Pitney, or Sam Cooke, the Ronnettes, or Dion, or Roy Orbison, or Ray Charles, or  Del Shannon, or Smokey Robinson, or the Temptations, or Gary US Bonds, or Phil Spector's Darlene Love/Crystals, and others, etc. 

I have to go to a govt. meeting.  they are the worst.  sorry. 

Respectful disagreement with your lack of Sinatra and Elvis appreciation.

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