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John B

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Reply with quote  #31 
ha.  Well, you got my source, so it's open to interpretation I suppose.  He could have been saying his style of lyric writing was similar to Chuck's---coincidentally.  He could have quoted earlier Chuck songs that would have shown an influence, but didn't.  
Al Forsyth

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Btw - is this is after Chuck come back?  I saw this today at Best Buy and here's a track:

Come on voters, come BACK to the polls - I'm getting tired of watching the paint dry and sniffing it's fumes. 

Thanks for the additions though John B, Larry and Darren

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
bonnie bella

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My votes.

Generally, I find it easier to sort the songs, but, apart from Tin, this has been a tough one.  Very tempted to make Silver and Bronze a draw, but I won't do that to you, Al.

GOLD - CSN.  I even surprised myself by the end of the week giving this Gold placing, with all those rollicking numbers underneath.  But it's the most complex, and it has beautiful lyrics (until they decide to go out and start trying to capture the local wildlife).   I'm with The Egg on this one, it's eggcellent. 

SILVER - The Kinks.  Oh Lola, where for art thou these days, Lola?  Still out scaring wet behind the ears kids, or living in the suburbs doing a regular 9 - 5?  I really appreciate the Kinks now that I have explored more of their music.  This is a typical example of a very smart Ray Davies in action.  Lots of self-deprecating humour, these guys have it in spades. 

BRONZE - TBB and my "musical dressage test" song.  It's too short (you have to use some of Surfer Girl at the start to get through the whole test).  The only reason this song came third this week is that it's just not long enough. Observation; all this time I thought they sang "warmed up leather" which sounded quite sexy, but it's "warmed up weather", which is a bit boring. 

TIN - The Rolling Stones.  Too many "like it's"  Anyone would think he was going through Facebook trying to find friends. 

Peter Green. Who sure had his share of "downs".

Thanks. [smile]


Clowns divorce: custardy battle.     Simon Munnery

Larry Franz

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Reply with quote  #34 
Originally Posted by Al Forsyth
Come on voters, come BACK to the polls 

Al - If we vote again, do we have to vote differently?

Meanwhile, another comeback:
In 1994, Leonard Cohen retreated to the Mt. Baldy Zen Center near Los Angeles, beginning what became five years of seclusion at the center. In 1996, Cohen was ordained as a Rinzai Zen Buddhist monk and took the Dharma name Jikan, meaning "silence"....

Although there was a public impression that Cohen would not resume recording or publishing, he returned to Los Angeles in May 1999....

After two years of production, Cohen returned to music in 2001 with the release of Ten New Songs ... a major hit for Cohen in Canada and Europe.... The album won him four Canadian Juno Awards in 2002: Best Artist, Best Songwriter, Best Pop Album, and Best Video ("In My Secret Life"). And the following year he was given Canada's highest civilian honor, the Companion of the Order of Canada.

Three from that album: "In My Secret Life"

"A Thousand Kisses Deep"

"Here It Is"

People are saying that Mick Jagger's performance of Chuck Berry's "Around and Around" on TV in 1964 basically set the template for Leonard Cohen's entire career. 

Lisa G/TS

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I'm making a the polling booth:

GOLD -- CSN, Judy Blue Eyes -- Baa! Looks like I'm one of the black sheep giving this the Gold. Ain't mutton to busts my chops. 

SILVER -- The Kinks, Lola -- Lo-lo-lo-lo-Lola! Cherry cola, anyone?

BRONZE -- Rolling Stones, It's Only R n R (But I Like It) -- I like it enough for at least Bronze (nearly a Silver).

PEWTER/TIN -- The Boys, Do It Again -- For me, this has always been a little in between, (in spite of that squinty print issue, Al). I'm more partial to this DIA:

Cool choices and a great week, Al !

Al Forsyth

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Thanks Bonnie and Lisa,

The Stones don't want to end up ...

The Kinks Kink it up in the early 70's again via Muswell Hillbillies.  Ray, the ever thinking-man.

Have they been? (That first album again)

The other creator of "It's automatic" originally to be called Rendezvous

Come-backs and votes are still appreciated! 
I'll be giving away free souvenirs until the end of voting!

For Lisa and Lee - and everyone - keep your eye ...

Meaning GET those votes in - and don't dilly dally ^

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
Darren J. Ray

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all this time I thought they sang "warmed up leather" which sounded quite sexy, but it's "warmed up weather", which is a bit boring

Thank you. [biggrin]
Larry Franz

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Probably the biggest comeback in the history of (American) show business:

In the early 1940s, following his break with the Tommy Dorsey band, Sinatra had emerged, thanks largely to swooning bobby-soxers, as pop music’s biggest star and a hugely popular Hollywood actor. By the end of the decade, he was all but washed up, having lost his audience owing to shifting musical tastes and to disenchantment over his reported ties to the Mob, and over his divorce, which followed a widely publicized affair with Ava Gardner, whom he married in 1951. He soon lost his voice (he would never fully recover his consistently accurate intonation and precise pitch), his movie contract with MGM, his record contract with Columbia, and Gardner.

At a concert in Chicago, only 150 people in a 1,200-seat capacity venue turned up to see him. By April 1952 he was performing at the Kauai County Fair in Hawaii.

Which is why he was so eager to get that role in From Here to Eternity. The movie came out in 1953, the same year he signed a recording contract with "trendsetting, L.A.-based" Capitol Records and began working with arranger/conductor Nelson Riddle.

The first song Sinatra and Riddle recorded together was "I've Got the World on a String". After listening to the playback, Sinatra said "I'm back, baby, I'm back!" He was right.

Their "Young at Heart", released that year, went to #2 in the US. 

Thank you Al.


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Hi Al,

Here are my votes for this week.

Gold - Lola - The Kinks

Silver - Do It Again - The Beach Boys

Bronze - It's Only Rock and Roll (But I Like It) – The Rolling Stones

Tin - Suite: Judy Blue Eyes - Crosby, Stills & Nash

Graciegal [smile]

Al Forsyth

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I have to vote a little earlier, due to my schedule, so here I go:

Gold - CSN Suite: Judy Blue Eyes, the work that ignited the trio (pre-Neil) from that classic album.  A trio of superstars from other bands that became one incredible whole - whereby the whole was greater than the sum of it's parts - pure magic.  And the individual parts were pretty impressive on their own. This song is perfection to my ears and sensibilities - one of the long, modular songs (and thus the suite) in that Good Vibrationy realm. 

Silver - The Beach Boys' Do It Again.  Okay, it was a play on nostalgia and it worked!  This was before anyone else was looking back at themselves - Get Back/Let It Be would come later of course.  Imagine the scene in Love and Mercy where Brian and Mike are writing GV - this could have been similar.  From the processing on the drums to the vocal harmony - it was a return to a more familiar sound to we, the listeners and it got them back into charting. Perfect timing and written and recorded quickly.

Tie for Bronze: Two really good songs/concepts/recordings.  We hadn't heard the Kinks in the US since Sunny Afternoon so what happened?  It turns out that they were banned!  When the Kink Kronickles came out we were playing this over and over (how many times can I say it) again.  Of course Lola came out first (as Lee had mentioned the album) and the song was other worldly - as in what, is this song about really?  Wow, to Ray again for continuing to push the societal envelope.

The Stones came back to rock and have some fun (as evidenced by the bubble video) and the changeover now from the Mick Taylor era was about to happen  I LOVED the late 60's Stones from Beggars' Banquet to Sticky Fingers and then Exile comes out and everyone (critics) seemed to be raving about it!  Gimme me some cleaner rock and roll and It's Only R and R filled the bill for me. Fun!

Please keep on voting and results will come tomorrow.  Right, not the battle is quite interesting.

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
Popeye (not the sailor)

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Reply with quote  #41 
This is a hard vote. All of these songs are gold to my ears.

My comeback votes:

Gold: Suite Judy Blue Eyes - CSN

Silver: Do it Again - Beach Boys

Bronze: Lola - Kinks

Tin: It's Only Rock and Roll - Rolling Stones

Thanks Al!
Tom Tobben

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Reply with quote  #42 
All good songs, Al, so an excellent group of contestants this week. Here's my take:

Gold -- "Suite Judy Blue Eyes", CSN. This song and group were so original and appealing when they came out with their eponymous debut album, led by this gorgeous song. I love the vocals, tight harmonies, melody, and those acoustic guitars. And I've continued to love hearing it over all these years, even though it does seem a bit long after hearing it tons of times. (But then, one might also say that about Derek & The Dominoes' classic "Layla", or "Hey Jude", both also over 7 minutes long, and I still  love "Hey Jude" too as one of my all-time Beatles favorites.) And, for what it's worth, I liked their second album (with Neil Young), Deja Vu, even better. 

Silver -- "Lola", Kinks. After a long pause (in the US, anyway), this song and related album were so good and refreshing to hear. And, leave it to Ray Davies -- even though this is somewhat of a novelty song, it's still a great song to listen to after all these years. After this song and album, I think I bought and enjoyed nearly every subsequent Kinks album for a number of years. This one certainly brought me back into the Kinks fold in a major way. And, a few years later, I got to see the Kinks perform this song live when they were on their Preservation, Acts I and II tour. 

Bronze -- "Do It Again", Beach Boys. This was certainly a popular and catchy retro/nostalgia Beach Boys song at a time when the Beach Boys were beginning to fade from the US charts. But, for me, that was also the problem. After such creative, groundbreaking, and excellent music as Pet Sounds, Good Vibrations/Heroes & Villains/Wonderful/Wind Chimes/etc. from the SMiLE project, and the recent Wild Honey album (less so with Friends), I felt that "Do It Again" was a Mike Love-driven cop-out back to the old Beach Boys formula to try to gain another chart hit, and a musical step backwards. And it was certainly not like anything else on their eclectic 20/20 album. This song was living proof of Mike's "don't f--- with the formula" mindset, as a way to try to get back on the Top 40 charts with a hit. Decent enough song, but heading in the wrong direction creatively.

Tin -- "It's Only Rock & Roll", Rolling Stones. After a number of excellent albums and classic hits in the late 60s and early 70s, this song felt like the Stones were starting to run dry creatively and beginning to sputter. And, as Darren mentioned earlier, when I listened to this song again this week, the first thing that came to my mind was T Rex's "Bang A Gong" from a couple years earlier. Decent enough song, but too derivative, and far down in my pantheon of favorite Stones classics. 

As far as favorite comeback artists, I'd have to include Steely Dan. Following a 20-year hiatus after their 1980 hit album, Gaucho, the Steelys refreshingly reappeared with their album Two Against Nature in 2000, which subsequently earned Platinum sales in the US, followed by Everything Must Go in 2003. And, they also re-formed a band and have continued to tour regularly since then. Thank goodness!

Here's the title song from their Two Against Nature album:

While he didn't have such a long pause as Steely Dan, Boz Scaggs seemingly fell out of sight on the charts after the late 1980s, releasing sporadic albums that didn't do well. However, after a 5-year recording hiatus, in 2013, Scaggs released Memphis, a delightful album of soul-flavored covers and original songs. It reached #17 on the US album charts, his highest charting album since 1980, and his only album after 1980 to enter the Top 40 on the album charts. It was also one of my overall favorite new albums by any artist in 2013, and I still enjoy listening to the entire Memphis album: 

Here's his lovely, soulful cover of the old Tyrone Davis R&B classic, "Can I Change My Mind?" from that album: 

And referring back to Steely Dan, here is Boz Scaggs' soulful cover of their nugget "Pearl of the Quarter" (originally on Steely Dan's second album, Countdown to Ecstasy, from 1973), also from Scaggs' Memphis album:

I'm not sure anybody mentioned John Lennon's glorious 1980 comeback album, Double Fantasy, even though a number of songs from that album have been featured here over the years. (My apologies if someone already mentioned Lennon this week and I missed seeing it.) Lennon's last album of original music was 1974's Walls & Bridges, followed in 1975 by his Rock 'n' Roll covers album, which he knocked out to fulfill his contractual commitments for albums. After that, Lennon famously became a mostly reclusive "house husband" for five years with young Sean, before bursting back onto the scene in late 1980 with Double Fantasy. Sadly, however, senseless tragedy hit Lennon shortly afterwards. 

Finally, after not releasing an album of new music since 1979's Rockit, Chuck Berry announced early this year that he would be releasing this summer his first album of new songs in over 35 years, songs that he had been working on over a period of years and finally recorded in the studio in recent years. Unfortunately, as we all know, Chuck passed away a few months ago, and his new album, Chuck, had to be released after he passed away. Here are a couple selections from this fine final album by the "father of rock and roll":

First, "Big Boys", with a very familiar classic Chuck Berry sound:

And, "Darlin'", Chuck's lovely, touching, late-in-life tribute to his daughter (and longtime band member) Ingrid:

Al, the Chuck Berry song you found and posted above, "Lady B. Goode", is from Chuck's new album, and as you can tell, it is a pretty similar reworking of "Johnny B. Goode", with some minor musical changes and lyrics that pick up on the original Johnny B. Goode story line. Here's the lyrics:

Excellent battle and theme this week, Al. A good opportunity to resurrect and reflect on artists who faded from the scene for an extended period but then later reappeared with more fine music years later.
paul g adsett

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Reply with quote  #43 
like 'em all,
even the one by those geriatric old farts the rolling stones,
recorded when they were but barely entering early middle age old farts.

gold: 'suite judy blue eyes'
- it's getting to the point where i think, yet again,
that this track brings back memories of some of my favouritest, um, memories.
at least, it would, if i could but remember... 

silver: 'do it again'
- ah, nostalgia never really was even then what it was when they recorded this,
was it... 

bronze: 'lola'
- in the olden days,
well, in the early 70's incarnation of the kinks,
when 'gender bendering' was all the glam rage,
this would allow ray to loll about the stage,
in various states of inebriation,
depending on which concert you went to
(complete with 'daaay-o.w...' hollering)
and the audience would go 'ooowww, 'e is a one inn'ee?!'
entertaining, but not the best incarnation of his daviesness
during a,um, troulbled period.
i preferred the 'muswell hillbillies' and 'everybody's in showbiz...' albums
that followed this transitional period recording.
when first released, there was certainly a bit of a frisson,
as the subject matter was really not talked about too much,
let alone turned into a popular song.
but this song remained a too easy live  crowd pleaser for far too long.
and, to be honest, i'm got tired of it ages ago.
still, worth hearing from time to time.

tin: 'it's only rock'n'roll'
- but, yeah,i like it.
but not that that much.
not then.
not now.
rates low down on my all-time stones favourites.

ta for the neuralgia,
er, nostalgia trip, maaan...

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Reply with quote  #44 

One of my own favorite artists is Paul Simon.  He has a come back tale.
After receiving the Grammy Album of the Year and Best Male Pop Vocal Performance Awards in 1976 he pretty much went missing from the late 70’s to the 80’s.  He resurfaced after some musical soul searching to come back and again win the Grammy Album of the Year in 1986 for “Graceland”.

1975: “Still Crazy After All These Years”

1986: You Can Call Me Al (Hey, Al!)

In a related note as I was writing this, I came across a sad note:

Ray Phiri, ‘Graceland’ Guitarist and Anti-Apartheid Bandleader, Dies at 70

Larry, I remember Elvis’ big TV special.  I learned to l like Elvis somewhat later.  The ‘68 special was just the beginning.  And Darren, thanks for the Everly Brothers’ “On The Wings Of A Nightingale”.  I learned only later of their breakups.  I was a young fan and didn’t think much beyond the songs at the time.

The real comeback winner of the week for me:



Of course, none of us would probably be here if it wasn't for these two comebacks...

(OK, Elvis rocks the leather a little better)

(not the greatest lip syncing)


But here are my votes for those in the running:

Of course, these are all big winners; you have to give all of them their due.

   Gold - Crosby, Stills and Nash - Suite: Judy Blue Eyes

   Sliver - The Beach Boys – Do It Again

  Bronze - The Rolling Stones – It’s Only Rock and Roll (But I Like It)

   Tin - The Kinks – Lola

Great week, Al

I try hard to be strong
But sometimes I fail myself
And after all I've promised you
So faithfully
You still believe in me
I wanna cry . . .”

Al Forsyth

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Reply with quote  #45 
Thank you the Sunday voters. We'll see if this wraps it. Interesting battle. Come backs are unique and important. It seems as though the Stones are always coming back. Brian, of course, may be the greatest come back. Ray, it seems comes back to us and CSN and Y are all going their separate. But they're all here and with us.

I'll check back in the morning and wrap this come back kid week up.

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