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GOLD: Beach Boys - Do It Again

SILVER: Crosby, Stills & Nash - Judy Blue Eyes

BRONZE: Rolling Stones - It's Only Rock and Roll

TIN: The Kinks - Lola

Great week with tough choices.

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GOLD BBs.  Even though I've heard it too many times.
TIN Stones (again)

Darren J. Ray

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Thank you, Deb. 

Not only did Paul Simon make a comeback in 1986. So did his hair....



Hmmm, I smell a rug. 

Speaking of comebacks, you've witnessed a huge one this week in the votes, Al [wink]
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just reread what i wrote yesterday about 'lola'
and, on reflection, i was a trifle harsh in my comments.
i'm not going to move it up or down my choices, but...
it's the song that's in competition, not ray davies.
we lived on muswell hill 71-74 (rod the mod could be seen strutting around,
konk studios just round the bottom of the hill) and there was a buzz.
kinks shows at that time were fairly numerous and highly entertaining.
my recollections of the time can't but recall some rather inebriated live performances
(maybe ray over-played it,
maybe revelling in stardom,
maybe too too troubled,
maybe just plastered,
but there was an air sometimes of desperation that slipped beyond bonhomie).
not always a 'nice bloke'
(though wonderfully, appropriately, friendly and attentive when i've met him).
not a straightforward, easy to read character.
detached, not part of any crowd, yet highly observant and descriptive.
but ray's work displays thinly veiled autobiographical flashes
and sensitive reflections on what's inside and around him.
it can be read as a socio(il)logical study on english,
aspir(ir)ational working class culture of the time.

'lola' is a masterpiece of underwritten description of a milieu
that could be viewed as rather sordid,
probably still illegal when first encountered.
and it's written in a way that allows sympathy, encourages empathy even,
with the character and the situation.
in subtle, deft, lines.
one of many novellas he's written in popsong.
a true master of his art.

and, i want to add this tearlier rack,
'see my friends',
with that crossing of a river metaphor
(here indicating a loss of someone close)
- compare with the vibe of 'waterloo sunset'.
ambiguous, but universal, all-meaning...

Darren J. Ray

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Hey, guys and gals. 

If you go back and change your votes later in the week, would you mind letting us know?



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Did I miss another week??? 


Gold - The Beach Boys - The original good to the last drop Do It Again

Silver - The Stones - Not really a Stone go to, but great song

Bronze - The Kinks 

Tin - CSN - Great vocal showcase, but the competition was tough.  
Al Forsyth

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kids, I didn't post the final results yet so I will confer with the PTB (powers that be) as I hope that they can be added - but rulz could be rulz. We'll see.
A diamond necklace played the pawn...
Larry Franz

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There is no official time limit in the rules. You can count votes until the final numbers go "in the book", which doesn't happen until the host announces them and they're confirmed:

Each regular week, both the host and I should ‘balance’ before the totals go into ‘the book’. If we cannot figure why we are out, a third party (usually D.A.N.) can independently check the figures.
Darren J. Ray

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This week is definitely CLOSED and will be sorted out shortly. 
Darren J. Ray

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Al, just for want of needing an answer one way or the other, my suggestion is you include kds's votes this time. 

It has been accepted since this game began in 2010 that each host gets one week. There is a time limit. That's only fair to all. 

Voting should not continue "until the final numbers go 'in the book'", just the same as an election doesn't stay open for voting until a result has been found. 

The polling booths close and the votes are then tallied. 

A result may not be determined for several days, but voting is closed. 

Once the results are made official, civilised people accept the decision and get on with their lives.

Voting should not continue just because 'officials' haven't posted a result. That would leave the system open to abuse and be unfair to all

In this case, final results had not been posted because the host (Al) and I hadn't balanced, and we live and work in very separate time zones.

So what time do 'polling booths' here close (and open)? 

I'm not sure setting regimented time constraints to opening and closing times is conducive to a game that has been designed to be inclusive and fun for all.

In the past, weeks have begun from 12:00 noon on a Monday (Australian EST), which equates to 7:00pm on a Sunday (Los Angeles time) or 3:00am on a Monday (London time). 

Naturally, some leeway should be and has been allowed so that hosts can post and close their weeks in a time compatible with their daily lives. 

Personally - and I think this is generally accepted - I believe that 'leeway' should be roughly nine hours past the times above in order to start and, particularly, close a week. 

If we all abide by that, I think that is fair to all. 

There are precedents of late votes being included, 'within reason'. For instance, kds' votes were not included in Week 19. They were posted around 24 hours after the week had closed.

In this case, kds voted, from what I can ascertain, around 9:00am on the Monday (Los Angeles time). 

He votes every week. 

My suggestion is you count the votes (it changes the result marginally), and we encourage everyone in future to get their votes in before the general cut-off time. 

Whether definite time limits should be enforced in future is open to debate.   

Again, for the sake of those whose responsibility it is to keep scores, if a voter edits their votes after their initial post, I ask you to please make a separate post alluding to this. 

All this is just my reasoned, personal point of view. 

If people disagree, they're allowed to voice that. 

But I don't wish for anyone to make a federal case out of this. 

It's a situation that requires a solution and you have mine. 

I don't make the rules here. 

The rules to this game have come about by general consensus of its participants. 

paul g adsett

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a film noir mash up of
'night of the hanging chads'
'invasion of the ballot stuffers'...
Al Forsyth

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For the civilized FINAL tally for The Comeback week and here are the results (but there may be a tie breaker in here) still to come.

The GOLD goes to the Beach Boys as they surfed and danced again 65.5 (8G, 9S, 2B + 1 tie, 1T)

There is a tie score for the Silver between The Kinks and CSN
Suite: Judy Blue Eyes 52.5 (8G, 3S + 1 tie, 0B, 9T)
Lola 52.5 (5G, 4S, 8B + 1 tie, 3T)

And finally, Rock and Roll could NOT save them this week. The Rolling Stones
39.5 (0G, 4S + 1 tie, 8B + 2 ties, 6T)

And Paul, the Chads were clean, here at least.

There were 21 voters with kds beating the wire. WONDERFUL responses and additions throughout the week. Thank you all!

Onward to Tom's week. This ballot box is closed, sealed, and delivered!!!

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
Darren J. Ray

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Well done, Al.

‘Suite: Judy Blue Eyes’ is your Silver, and that was some comeback.

After nine voters, it had 12.5 points and was last by eight and a half votes. No Golds.

Eight of the next nine voters gave it their Gold, the equal most for the week.

And it was a real polariser – 21 voters and 17 of them voted it either first or last (eight and nine, respectively).

I’d venture to say that might be the biggest comeback during a week for a song in the eight years we’ve been doing this.

It certainly rivals the comeback for ‘How Sad Venice Can Be’ (Charles Aznavour) that I used in Week 12 of Season II.

After 11 voters, that was coming last. Six of the last eight voters gave it Gold, and it lost by two points.

Back then, I assumed voters had warmed to an unfamiliar song as the week went on.

However, this time, it seemed most voters were already previously familiar with the song.

It was the second time around for ‘Do It Again’.

It won a Silver in Week 9 of Season I (Pete Simpson) with 71 points and 27.31% of the vote. (It was beaten by Marvin Gaye’s ‘I Heard It Through the Grapevine’ with 81 and 31.15%, which eventually finished 6th in the Preliminary Final.)

This time, it was Gold with 65.5 and 31.19%.

This is the record so far for 20/20:

Do It Again (a Silver in Week 9 of Season I - Pete Simpson; a Gold in Week 21 of Season VIII - Al Forsyth),

I Can Hear Music (a Gold in Week 36 of Season I, 7th in Gold Play-Off - Cynthia D. Hood; a Gold in Week 22 of Season VI, 5th in Gold Play-Off - Rosemary l; a Gold in Week 16 of Season VIII - GGH),

Bluebirds Over the Mountain (a Silver in Week 5 of Season I - t Bedford),

The Nearest Faraway Place (a Gold in Week 29 of Season II - Teenage Symphony),

I Went to Sleep (a Bronze in Week 34 of Season V, 3rd in Bronze Play-Off - Roy Rogers),

Time to Get Alone (a Gold in Week 28 of Season I, 6th in Gold Play-Off - Roy Roger Bridge),

Never Learn Not to Love (a Tin in Week 26 of Season IV, 6th in Tin Play-Off - Verden McCutcheon),

Our Prayer (a Gold in Week 42 of Season II - Roy Roger Bridge; a Gold in Week 22 of Season V - Al Forsyth)

Various different Beach Boys versions of songs originating on this album have also been used.

They are:

Cottonfields (the single version from 1970) (a Gold in Week 40 of Season III - Tom Tobben; a Gold in Week 25 of Season VII - Darren J. Ray),

Time to Get Alone (the Hawthorne edition, released in 2001) (a Gold in Week 34 of Season II, 4th in Preliminary Final - Tom Tobben),

Cabin Essence (the Smile Sessions edition, released in 2011) (a Gold in Week 37 of Season VII, 6th in Gold Play-Off - Darren J. Ray),

Break Away (the Hawthorne edition, released in 2001) (a Gold in Week 16 of Season IV - Deb#1)

‘Suite: Judy Blue Eyes’ was the fifth entry for Crosby, Stills & Nash, or a combination thereof.

Their results have been:

Southern Cross (a Silver in Week 32 of Season I - Prodigal Son),

To the Last Whale: Critical Mass/Wind on the Water (a Bronze in Week 10 of Season III, 9th in Bronze Play-Off - Tom Tobben),

Southern Cross (a Silver in Week 6 of Season VI, 6th in Silver Play-Off - bonnie bella),

Almost Cut My Hair (live) (a Silver in Week 30 of Season VI - paul g adsett),

Suite: Judy Blue Eyes (album version) (a Silver in Week 21 of Season VIII - Al Forsyth)

It was also the second time around for ‘Lola’.

The single version (one word difference) won a Silver in Week 10 of Season IV (Jo McGuire), came 2nd in the Silver Play-Off and finished 6th in the Preliminary Final.

It was the Kinks’ tenth entry in the Battle.

Their record:

God's Children (a Bronze in Week 34 of Season I - t Bedford),
A Rock 'N Roll Fantasy (a Silver in Week 15 of Season II - Tom Tobben),
Apeman (a Gold in Week 32 of Season II - t Bedford),
Do It Again (a Gold in Week 41 of Season III, 10th in Gold Play-Off - Kevin Witts),
Lola (a Silver in Week 10 of Season IV, 2nd in Silver Play-Off, 6th in Preliminary Final - Jo McGuire),
Sitting in the Midday Sun (a Gold in Week 31 of Season IV - t Bedford),
Sweet Lady Genevieve (a Tin in Week 36 of Season V, 4th in the Tin Play-Off - t Bedford),
Waterloo Sunset (a Silver in Week 1 of Season VII - Verden McCutcheon),
I’m Not Like Everybody Else (a Bronze in Week 39 of Season VII - t Bedford),
Lola (album version) (a Bronze in Week 21 of Season VIII - Al Forsyth)

It’s the twelth time (from 329 weeks) that Silver and Bronze have had to be separated on a countback.

The record:

Crazy Horses (The Osmonds - 1972) (44) (7 Golds) / Rock Lobster (The B-52's - 1978) (44) (1 Gold) (Week 43, Season I, Pete Simpson),

Calling All Angels (Train - 2003) (49) (4 Golds) / Don't Let Her Know She's An Angel (Brian Wilson - 2004) (49) (3 Golds) (Week 6, Season II, Deborah O’Neill),

Run to You (Bryan Adams - 1984) (47) (4 Golds, 7 Silvers) / California Dreamin’ (The Beach Boys - 1986/2012) (47) (4 Golds, 6 Silvers) (Week 38, Season III, Cantina Margarita),

Tracy Hide (Wondermints - 1995) (46) (5 Golds) / No Wrong Notes in Heaven (Scott Bennett - 2006) (46) (4 Golds) (Week 3, Season IV, Tom Tobben),

Kite (Simon Dupree & the Big Sound - 1967) (43) (4 Golds) / Rocky Mountain Way (Joe Walsh - 1973) (43) (3 Golds) (Week 8, Season IV, Roy Rogers),

Country Feelin’s (Brian Wilson - 1991) (52.5) (5 Golds, 6 Silvers) / Turning the Town Red (Elvis Costello & The Attractions - 1984) (52.5) (5 Golds, 5 Silvers) (Week 42, Season IV, Teenage Symphony),

Massachusetts (Bee Gees - 1967) (60) (7 Golds) / Hawaii (The Beach Boys - 1963) (60) (4 Golds) (Week 21, Season V, Jo McGuire),

Gimme Three Steps (album version) (Lynyrd Skynyrd - 1973) (54) (5 Golds) / Movies is Magic (Brian Wilson and Van Dyke Parks - 1995) (54) (3 Golds) (Week 27, Season VI, Lee Marshall),

Lucky Man (Emerson, Lake & Palmer - 1970) (47) (2 Golds) / Sweet Baby James (James Taylor - 1970) (47) (1 Gold) (Week 3, Season VII, Al Forsyth),

Doctor My Eyes (Wilson Phillips - 2004) (46) (6 Golds) / It Ain’t Necessarily So (Brian Wilson - 2010) (46) (5 Golds) (Week 27, Season VII, bonnie bella),

He Needs Me (stereo) (Nina Simone - 1958/1959) (48) (3 Golds) / As Long as He Needs Me (Georgia Brown, from Oliver! - 1960) (48) (2 Golds) (Week 30, Season VII, paul g adsett),

Suite: Judy Blue Eyes (album version) (Crosby, Stills & Nash - 1969) (52.5) (8 Golds) / Lola (album version) (The Kinks - 1970) (52.5) (5 Golds) (Week 21, Season VIII, Al Forsyth)

‘It’s Only Rock ‘n Roll (But I Like It)’ was the eleventh Battle entry for the Rolling Stones.

It was their first Tin.

Their record:

Gimme Shelter (a Silver in Week 2 of Season I, 5th in Silver Play-Off - Wow! Great Concert!),
Harlem Shuffle (a Silver in Week 37 of Season I - Gordon Higgins),
(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction (a Bronze in Week 26 of Season III - Kevin Witts),
Mixed Emotions (a Silver in Week 9 of Season IV - Verden McCutcheon),
Angie (a Gold in Week 10 of Season IV, 7th in Preliminary Final - Jo McGuire),
Not Fade Away (a Bronze in Week 21 of Season IV - Al Forsyth),
Start Me Up (a Silver in Week 1 of Season V - Larry  Franz),
Get Off of My Cloud (a Silver in Week 7 of Season VI, 4th in Silver Play-Off - Deb #1),
Around and Around (live) (a Silver in Week 22 of Season VI - Rosemary l),
Honky Tonk Women (a Bronze in Week 28 of Season VII - Al Forsyth), 
It’s Only Rock ‘n Roll (But I Like It) (a Tin in Week 21 of Season VIII - Al Forsyth)

‘Lola’ is looking very likely for the Bronze Play-Off and has had some play-off success previously (see above).

‘It’s Only Rock ‘n Roll (But I like It)’ is an outside chance of making the Tin Play-Off.

If ‘Lola’ makes it and wins, both it and ‘Do It Again’ and ‘Suite: Judy Blue Eyes’ will progress to the Preliminary Final.

The top three from that final will go through to the Gold Play-Off.

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