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Cantina Margarita

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Hi guys,

I‘m quite a bit complicated at times. My hosting weeks, so far. asked people for their opinions about

- adequate guitar riffs for college bands,

- SMiLE style songs from no matter where or what time or place,

- popular music from the times and places for workers and farmers :-),

- DAWs (=digital audio workstation) and operating systems

And my standard conclusion always goes like: it all depends on someone‘s taste and mood. While I never missed to put my own likes into the very foreground, of course.

Plus, I often had some difficulties in finding suitable BW or BB examples for the themes I wished to discuss.

I want this to be completely different this week. Here‘s four BB or BW songs. I usually skip them, but I know, some of them were far from unsuccessful. And I‘m interested in other people‘s opinions.


Some of you need to be very tough now. Here it is, no more chance for skipping.

1. Kokomo

 

This is the ML quota song from „TWGMTR“. We do this one, or I won‘t play with you. And I want to be credited „executive producer“.

2. Daybreak Over The Ocean

 

I always skip this one, listening to ITKOD. Sha la lala lala lalala rattlerattle.

3. Kiss the girl

 

Not really a skippy. The distorted guitar intro raises high expectations. Even great the "Savoy Truffle" style saxes. Whereas the lead vocals sound to me kinda lame and constructed, compared to the rest of the BWRG album.

4. Nothing But Love

 

I‘m looking forward to your opinions, proving me lies.

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Larry Franz

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Nice topic. I only had to listen to them once:

Gold -- "Nothing But Love" -- Easily my favorite of the four. I kept it when I put together a playlist of songs from the Gershwin and Disney albums. It's the other Gershwin song that Brian finished that I don't like at all: "The Like In I Love You". I don't like his singing on that one, or the melody or the lyrics. So it's eminently skip-able.

Silver -- "Kiss the Girl" -- I put this on the playlist too, although it's not a favorite. There's nothing about it that bothers me and I have semi-fond memories of it being sung by a crab.

Bronze -- "Kokomo" -- It's definitely catchy, and I love Carl's voice when he takes the lead ("ooh, I want to take you down to Kokomo"). Unfortunately, it oozes the oily essence of Mike Love, or "Mr. Cool" as he might be called. I don't especially enjoy it, but I don't skip it either.

Tin -- "Daybreak Over the Ocean" -- I began skipping this early on and didn't include it on a playlist of songs from TWGMTR and That Lucky Old Sun. The nostalgia is predictable, but the big problem is that it's simply boring, especially at 4 minutes, 20 seconds. 


Here's a much-loved song I began skipping very quickly. I somehow acquired the single when I was sick in bed (the B-side wasn't great either). Maybe that association lingers, but generally I don't like songs about music -- they seem to indicate a lack of inspiration. The only part I really like is "When day is over (when day is over) I close my tired eyes". The best thing about this song is that when Brian does it in concert, it's a great opportunity to visit the men's room.

youtube.com/watch?v=PBkA4-U4MPk

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Cindy Hood

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My votes:

Gold:  Kokomo.  There's a reason why this song made #1 after so many years without one.  I love it!  It's Beach Boys' more mature version of the beach and romance with a tropical vibe.

Silver:  Kiss the Girl.  

Bronze:  Daybreak Over the Ocean.

Tin:  Nothing But Love.  

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John B

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1. "Nothing But Love" by Brian

one of my favorite songs on a great album, although unlike Larry, I also like "The Like in I Love You." (not even the ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah's, Larry?)

2. "Kiss the Girl"

I've never seen that movie, suppose it's cause I have sons not daughters.  This is the one song on the Disney album that makes me feel like Brian had a Mike part in mind.   I still like it though.

3. "Daybreak over the Ocean"

a decent Mike song, on a very good album.

4. "Kokomo" 

never liked it, any of it.   don't even like the Carl part.   Never saw the movie--no interest.  stupid 80's.   Cindy sees something mature in this song that I don't see.  If there is, and I'm missing it--certainly possible, I would guess it came from the 'Papa', not Mike.
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Larry Franz

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Quote:
Originally Posted by John B

one of my favorite songs on a great album, although unlike Larry, I also like "The Like in I Love You." (not even the ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah's, Larry?)

I don't remember getting that far, so thanks for asking about it. If I knew about editing songs, I'd put the ending of "The Like In I Love You" with the beginning of "Our Special Love" from No Pier Pressure. That one's first 54 seconds are great. Then this Peter Hollens character opens his mouth, so it's always on to the next track. (I don't even like his face.)

youtube.com/watch?v=fe8gYDpdQIM

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John B

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ouch, not even his face!   see, folks, Larry may have been hip to the summer of love and all that, but he's more cantankerous than I (or me...).   I think he must be channeling that Canadian tough guy Lee M.   Peace and love, Larry.    I have a problem with Bono's face, so maybe we're even.

but agree how nice the first part of 'Our Special Love' sounds! 
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Larry Franz

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John B:  Out in the suburbs, love was in relatively short supply in the summer of '67, but it was in the news a lot. 

Another one to be skipped every time: Love's "Everyone's In Love With You" on 15 Big Ones. Brian's "TM Song", on the other hand, is listenable, even with the poor acting at the beginning and rampant misuse of the vernacular! (How's that for cantankerousness?)

The Beach Boys -- "TM Song" minus the fake argument


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Tom Tobben

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Mike Love must have loved his song "Daybreak Over The Ocean" on the Beach Boys 2012 TWGMTR album so much (or perhaps the royalties) that he recorded another version of the song on his tepid solo album Unleash The Love a couple years ago:



Now we are about to have another lackluster Mike Love solo album release next month to have to deal with as well, one called 12 Sides of Summer, consisting almost entirely of covers of other artists' songs or remakes of old Beach Boys songs. One song currently getting early pre-release attention is his (seemingly heavily auto-tuned) cover version of the Ramones' "Rockaway Beach".

Here's Mike Love, the newest (aging) punk rocker:



I wonder which song in this week's battle will get my Tin vote?
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Al Forsyth

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Nice Cantina!  Skip-overs.  I have to admit that when the two instrumentals on Pet Sounds came up - 

I would skip over.  

Sacrilege on my part [nono]

This week you have some interesting ones - that require a few listens.

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Verden McCutcheon

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  Season 10 Week 16 Skippies.....


                                1)Kokomo.....it was huge..it was gigantic..it was number one. the Beach Boys first in 22years...


                                2)Kiss the Girl...I just like this little song.Brian does it well


                               3)Daybreak over the Ocean....Even though it sounds like Bluebirds over the Mountain at times I still find it pleasant enough.Back when TWGMTR first came out I asked my son who is not a Beach Boy fan what song he liked best on the lp and he chose this one.


                              4)Nothing But Love....I find it kinda bland...


                                                                           very good theme !!
                
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Darren J. Ray

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Gold - Kiss the Girl (Brian Wilson - 2011)
Love it. Easily my favourite song on the terrific In the Key of Disney. I wouldn’t be skipping this. It’s gorgeous. And judging by the comments underneath the clip on YouTube, plenty of others feel the same way. I played this track ad nauseum when it came out. And have again this week. I don’t readily remember it in The Little Mermaid, but I have fond but bittersweet memories of watching that movie with my super-cute pal Joey. Thanks heaps for including a Brian Wilson track in the Battle that I love to bits, Cantina. 

Silver - Nothing But Love (Brian Wilson - 2010)
All I can say is the person who posted this on YouTube must be a cool guy. I don’t like it as much as ‘The Like In I Love You’, but it rocks. Brian sounds happy. 

Bronze - Kokomo (The Beach Boys - 1988)
Creepy how Mike is checking out the girl in the pink bikini. And downright bizarre how the others aren’t. I was always trying to press ‘pause’ on the VCR and identify the ‘Beach Boy’ on the far left. I rightly suspected that if it was indeed Brian, they would’ve made a big deal of it. Of course, YouTube out-takes have since revealed the ring-in was a young Jeff Foskett. (Still, that didn’t stop a news report I still have of how “Brian Wilson is being credited with the Beach Boys’ latest success….” If Mike gets a bit jack of this type of thing for 50+ years, one can hardly blame him. If Brian was on this, the board would love it!) Anyway, I was rapt when it became a hit and it helped the Beach Boys prolong their career for several decades. Brought the Boys to a whole new generation of fans, too. It was the same year that Brian released his eponymous, debut solo album too, and I’d just moved into my new penthouse unit at $90 a week, so I was feeling pretty good about life in 1988. Loved Carl’s bit. Great sax playing by Mike, too. Keep it up, Mike. Can remember seeing them, two nights in a row, live in 1992. The teenies in the audience – and there were plenty – were bulk disappointed when Stamos was a no-show. I was more disappointed that a certain Brian Wilson was not there despite his prominence in the publicity shot for the tour. (Not the last time we’ve seen false advertising associated with the Beach Boys.) The Boys stayed at the Marriott on the Gold Coast, and I drove down there that weekend, scouting for, but not finding any, Beach Boys. I was informed they’d left earlier in the day. In 1998, I would stay at the same resort for a weekend I’d won on Wheel of Fortune. It rained the whole time, and I listened to my brand new Brian Wilson CD, Imagination, for much of my stay. I looked in every corner of my room for some six-year-old ‘Carl was here’ graffiti. Back to the first concert, the thing that immediately struck me when they came out on stage at Boondall for ‘California Girls’ was all the bikini babes being front of stage and me thinking, “Yep, it’s come to this!” (Didn’t one of them have a child with Mike?) Other points of note at the concerts were Carl’s voice (and him graciously posing for me to take a photo), Mike’s showmanship (and plugging their great new album, Summer in Paradise) and Bruce throwing a towel (very appropriately, it was the Cottonfield Collection) into the audience and me catching it (still got it). But I will always associate the second of those two concerts with an unfortunate incident in my young life. I’d forked out to buy an extra ticket, pinning my hopes on asking a girl named Joanne who I REALLY liked to the show. So a week before, I phone her. I have an extra ticket - would she like to come with me to the Beach Boys concert? Alas, Joanne was busy that night, but would I do her a really big favour? Of course....what was the favour? “My sister would really like to go!” End result – I was roped into taking a 13 year-old girl with braces as my ‘date’ to the BB concert because she was just dying to go and I’d be doing Joanne “a REALLY big favour” – a favour that was NEVER returned. When Mike announced that Stamos wouldn’t be there that night, my ‘date’ turned to me and said, “He’s joking, right?”

Participant - Daybreak Over the Ocean (The Beach Boys - 2012)
Who’s the Carl sound-alike – Christian Love or Adrian Baker? Tasty guitar solo from Scott Totten. Nowhere near the worst song on the album. But it’s too reminiscent of ‘Bluebirds Over the Mountain’, and there’s also a bit of ‘Handy Man’ in there. 


PS ‘Rockaway Beach’ rocks, too!

It seems Tom has an ally who shares his opinion….



And here is a more palatable version of 'Kokomo' for the Mike haters here. It's the Spanish version, featuring Brian...



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Tom Tobben

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Hilarious, Darren! Great find! Only time I could ever imagine agreeing with "Hitler" on anything!
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Al Forsyth

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Okay Cantina, my votes are comin' in.  This wasn't easy, but I could place some lines of distinction in and do appreciate your "reimagining Gershwin" ala BotB's.  


FIRST - GOLD - Nothing But Love by Brian and the band with some inspiration from George and Ira.  The thought of even tackling this project was amazing and that RIB was such an influence on Brian.  I LOVE hearing him play it.  

So let's go: original Saying My Say:

https://gershwin100.wordpress.com/2018/07/21/saying-my-say/
Brian on the project:
youtube.com/watch?v=o-u5UqsHsMo
youtube.com/watch?v=D9iwffH8LAc

I did appreciate and REALLY like this album - then and now.  Brian was in fine voice and they took on something large in the process.  Brian could get the Gershwin ghost off of him as well. The Like In I Love You is one of my fave Brian songs since the beginning of his "solo" career (see below).

SILVER - The Beach Boys - Daybreak Over the Ocean for the 50th Anniversary album TWGMTR.  Not a Mike hater am I, but do undstand that he has his limitations AND his strengths.  I like the song and the work underneath - the playing along with the layer of voices.  Now his version on Unleash - is difficult to listen to but his vocal is better.  He does NOT have the arrangement skills that Brian has and that is musicianship - how to put it all together. The cool little modulation and then of course, the song begins to drag on a bit, but NOT a skippy.  

BRONZE to Kokomo - The Beach Boys minus Brian.  This song elevated the Beach Boys and they landed a #1 but for all of the wrong reasons in the late and superficial 80's that gave birth to what happens now.  The song really isn't Mike's, although he takes his share of credit and it is completely saved by Carl on his part.
https://www.songfacts.com/facts/the-beach-boys/kokomo
The sax break is excellent - whoever played on that?  It was kind of like the Wrecking Crew - whoever it was but not always giving full credit.  The movie made the song - and it sure worked well within it.  

TIN to Kiss the Girl and it is kind of a skippy for me.  Coming on the heels of Gershwin it was a bit more formulaic, I thought.  But they had a two album contract



Oh, and where The Like In I Love You came from:
youtube.com/watch?v=_fnUJLlQaF4 

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Larry Franz

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Since remembering which songs we don't usually listen to presents a bit of a challenge, I looked at this handy list:

https://www.azlyrics.com/b/beachboys.html

Ah, yes. The maudlin "A Young Man Is Gone". Then, many albums later, Dennis's overblown "Be With Me". As previously mentioned, the boring "Add Some Music". Next, Al's dumb "Lookin' At Tomorrow" with the dumb explanation "(A Welfare Song)".

Carl and the Passions deserves its own paragraph. There are the two contributions from Flame, "Here She Comes" and "Hold On Dear Brother", and Dennis's "Make It Good" and "Cuddle Up". That's half the album. 

That's enough unpleasant memories for now.

I'll post an old one that deserves skipping. It was written by Herb Alpert and Vincent Catalano and for some reason is called "Little Girl You're My Miss America" in multiple places on YouTube.

"Little Miss America"
youtube.com/watch?v=It51o_Gk2Xk

I'm glad that's over.

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Tom Tobben

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Some excellent finds, Al. Fun to read, watch, or listen to! Personally, I think Brian's Gershwin album is one of his best, and best orchestrated, solo projects. 

Larry, I couldn't agree more about "Little Miss America". Seems like pure filler and a direct imitation of Dion & The Belmonts. Other than a few songs, I'm really not much of a fan of the Beach Boys' first album, Surfin' Safari. By their third album, Surfer Girl, Brian and the Boys had upped their game, and the album's production qualities, tremendously. 

There's plenty of filler "skippy" songs on a number of Beach Boys albums, especially on their early and late albums. But one of the worst in this regard is 15 Big Ones, which is filled with a bunch of mediocre or poor cover songs and a number of weak original songs. Nearly the entire album, barring a few songs, is a "skippy" for me, as is Summer in Paradise, which is the only original Beach Boys album I do not own and is mercifully out of print.
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