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t bedford

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Posted 1497265030 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

...I'm gobsmacked. Oh wait, I mean, it's time for some instrumentals. Back in 1962, the Tornados became the first British band rocketing to a #1 in the USA. Written & produced by the legendary Joe Meek. Joe’s interest in the sound of Max Crook’s “Musitron” (on Del Shannon’s “Runaway”) influenced the keyboard sound on this. Couldn’t find a clip that would work in all countries, so this is for the UK: The Tornados - Telstar And this is for everybody else: The Tornados - Telstar Studio group The Marketts (Michael Z. Gordon, with Wrecking Crew members including Tommy Tedesco, Ray Pohlman & Hal Blaine) scored a #3 with this, released in December of 1963. The Marketts - Out of Limits From The Beach Boys' Summer Days (and Summer Nights!!) LP, released in July 1965; re-released in March 1966 as the B-side to the “Caroline, No” single (with both sides attributed to Brian Wilson). Beach Boys/Brian Wilson - Summer Means New Love. Johnny Winter’s little brother Edgar scored big (a #1) with this monster hit in 1973 (Rick Derringer was also a member). The Edgar Winter Group - Frankenstein For cut & paste purposes: The Tornados - Telstar The Marketts - Out of Limits The Beach Boys/Brian Wilson - Summer Means New Love The Edgar Winter Group - Frankenstein __________________ I'm not a real billionaire, but I play one on TV!
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D.A.N

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Posted 1497265941 · Edited	Reply with quote #2

Check out those red triangles on the Marketts record (while scrolling). Freaky!
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Cindy Hood

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Posted 1497276606	Reply with quote #3

I'd totally forgotten a couple of these gems from the 60's. Great to hear them again! I'll go with: GOLD: Summer Means New Love/Beach Boys. A softer sound from the other 3. SILVER: Out of Limits/Marketts. BRONZE: Frankenstein/Edgar Winter Group. TIN/PEWTER: Telstar/The Tornados. My final answer. __________________ "They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God".
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kds

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Posted 1497281264	Reply with quote #4

Gold - Edgar Winter - Great hard rock instrumental. Silver - Beach Boys - Very pleasant mid 60s Brian Bronze - The Tornadoes Tin - The Markets
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Professor Dewey

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Posted 1497290270	Reply with quote #5

"Telstar" by the Tornados debuted at #13 on KRLA in Los Angeles in November 1962. At that point, "Bustin' Surfboards" by the Tornadoes (with an "e", from Redlands, California) had dropped to #7. Wikipedia says "Bustin' Surfboards" was the second surf instrumental to get national airplay. The first was "Out of Limits" by the Marketts. Years later, Quentin Tarantino put "Bustin' Surfboards" on the Pulp Fiction soundtrack. Tarantino grew up in the South Bay section of Southern California, mostly in Torrance, which almost borders Hawthorne. The South Bay has nothing to do with Beaumont, Texas, in the American South, where Edgar Winter and his older brother grew up. This partly explains why I'm giving Tin to "Frankenstein". The Tornadoes, "Bustin' Surfboards" Gold -- The Tornados (without an "e") Silver -- The Marketts (with 2 "t"s) Bronze -- The Beach Boys -- It's fine. Tin -- Edgar Winter -- I hate this one.
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Lee Marshall

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Posted 1497292155 · Edited	Reply with quote #6

This is a tad difficult. Why? Sometimes the hit single is better than the l.p. track. Gold. The Marketts...Out of Limits. A perfect little instrumental. Silver. Edgar Winter et al...Frankenstein. The 45 version gets right to the point. No lazing about. The l.p. version dawdles, trips, stumbles and falls. As such...first falls to second. Bronze. The Tornados...Telstar. No lasting power. Ho-hum-ish. Tin...Beach Boys. Oh really? Summer Means New Love. It's 'bald'. Just filler. T'was something to make it look like there were more tunes on the album. Oh really? No really. No thanks.
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Professor Dewey

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Posted 1497327848 · Edited	Reply with quote #7

Two instrumentals WFMU of Jersey City, NJ, and the WWW played today: Woo, "End of the Attic" Mark Anthony Heide, "Dance in Juxtaposition Pt. II" One more from Pulp Fiction: The Lively Ones, "Surf Rider" One more from the Lively Ones, "Night and Day"
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bonnie bella

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Posted 1497334172 · Edited	Reply with quote #8

Hi ho, t. We're groovin' with Mr Bedford ... and Bloe. The lovely but deeply troubled Elliot Smith "Kiwi Maddog". __________________ Clowns divorce: custardy battle. Simon Munnery
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David W

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Posted 1497341455 · Edited	Reply with quote #9

My votes : Gold :The Marketts - Out of Limits Silver: Tornados - Sputnik Bronze: The Beach Boys/Brian Wilson - Summer Means New Love Tin: The Edgar Winter Group - Frankenstein Here's a groover from Spencer Davies Group and some more Hammond organ from Booker T. Bit of trumpet madness and a favourite of mine Eli's Comin' by Don Ellis
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Darren J. Ray

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Posted 1497355556	Reply with quote #10

Gold - Telstar (The Tornados - 1962) There is a very sad tale associated with this song. Joe Meek didn’t receive royalties for it, subject to a plagiarism case that went in his favour just weeks after he’d committed murder/suicide in 1967. Then there’s his unhappy love affair with Heinz Burt, the bassist. It’s all in the movie Telstar: The Joe Meek Story. I’m not big on those bio-movies. They always get stuff wrong. But that was a good watch. Drummer Clem Cattini (played by James Corden in the film) has, according to Wiki, played on at least 44 #1 hits. That’s more than Hal Blaine. Yet he’s not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It’s a joke. A friend of mine has read the books. He maintains Heinz is probably not even on the record, nor Roger LaVern, their regular keyboardist. It’s non-member Geoff Goddard on the clavioline AND those vocals that are present inside the last minute. It’s not Meek – he couldn’t sing. We play ‘Telstar’ through our system at the close of our ‘60s tribute show. This is my favourite song written by Joe Meek. It’s ‘Lips are Redder on You’ as performed by Uncle Gene. (My band does this.) Silver - Summer Means New Love (The Beach Boys - 1965) Percy Faith, anyone? Would’ve been perfectly placed on those 1960s instrumental albums that have sexy women on the front cover to make what’s inside seem somehow groovy. I’d love to know what Mr Positivity made of this. It was played at the end of the C50 concert in 2012. I had to tell the person I was with what it was. Bronze - Out of Limits (The Marketts - 1963) Rod Serling sued them. Enough said. Participant - Frankenstein (album version) (The Edgar Winter Group - 1973) Albino Rock! I was involved with a local band that supported Johnny Winter in the late 1980s at a university show. Wiki says that’s Ronnie Montrose on guitar. He appeared in Season I when Tom included his version of ‘Town Without Pity’. One of the more memorable clips we’ve ever had in the Battle; certainly the most X-rated! Alas, it’s been taken down due to a copyright claim. I preferred ‘Town Without Pity’.
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t bedford

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Posted 1497357420 · Edited	Reply with quote #11

D.A.N. - Reminds me of my youthful indiscretions, if you get my drift. Cindy, kds, Professor Dewey, Lee, David & Darren, thanks for the votes. Larry, I believe those are ‘Heavenly Blues” Morning Glory blossoms seen late in the Woo video. (See below). Quote: Wikipedia says "Bustin' Surfboards" was the second surf instrumental to get national airplay. The first was "Out of Limits" by the Marketts . EDIT: Bustin’ Surfboards didn’t chart (according to Billboard, it peaked at #102, not really national airplay IMHO), and can Wikipedia explain why The Ventures Walk, Don’t Run and Perfidia don’t count as surf music (not enough reverb?). They are both from 1960. bonnie, I love a good harmonica instrumental! David, I especially love the Booker T track. Darren, you put some work into that post. I knew Joe Meek came to a sad end, but didn't know how bad it got for him. Here are a couple charters by Davie Allan & the Arrows: Theme from The Wild Angels (Billboard #99): Peter Fonda plays “Heavenly Blues” in the flick, which also stars Bruce Dern and Nancy Sinatra. This is Blues Theme (Billboard #37): __________________ I'm not a real billionaire, but I play one on TV!
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Darren J. Ray

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Posted 1497358628	Reply with quote #12

The top photo is 304 Holloway Rd in London, where Joe did all his recording. This is John Leyton with 'Johnny Remember Me', his #1 hit from '61. It was Joe's first #1. Written by Geoff Goddard. When Bronski Beat recorded it in '85, it brought Geoff, who was by now working as a kitchen hand, some welcome income. Some here may remember John Leyton best as the blonde Willie in The Great Escape, young mate of fellow tunnel king Danny (played by Charles Bronson). Leyton is now 81. Here is an oddity about Joe Meek, recorded by that oddity Jonathan King...
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burlingtonbill

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Posted 1497359475	Reply with quote #13

I always liked "Out of Limits" but knew nothing of "The Marketts" until just reading about them now on wikipedia. Funny that Rod Serling sued Joe Saraceno over music infringement with his Twilight Zone theme. Saraceno also got sued later on by Bruce Morgan (son of original Beach Boys producer, Hite Morgan) over misuse of some of those early Candix tunes. A little loose with the ethics, Joe ?
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John B

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Posted 1497362374	Reply with quote #14

1. 'Summer Means New Love' by Brian and the 'Boys 2. 'Out of Limits' by the Marketts (this one rocks, don't it?) 3. 'Telestar' by the Tornadoes (the first disco song?) 4. 'Frankenstein' by Edgar Winter Group (because I'm not a fun of white 70's boogie) I remember playing #4 on a juke box at a pizza restaurant--based on the title alone, to probably fill out my 2 choices for a quarter, to go along with 'Burnin' Love' by Elvis. My football team went to an Oklahoma City minor league hockey game and they beat the Tulsa (Oilers?) minor league hockey game. I stood up alone when Tulsa scored, and everyone else stood up when OKC scored--since we were in OKC at the time. People will ask, 'why did you do that?' because as a Texan in Oklahoma that's how I felt all the time. (yes, Bedford, played Raspberries songs on the burger joint juke box such as "I Want to Be With You"). At the pizza restaurant, my prankster friend went around to every table and unscrewed the jars on the red pepper flakes without removing the tops--then delighted when someone unknowingly poured the whole bottle onto their pizza. At least until the coach at our own table did it and got angry at him. Did you ever see an angry Oklahoma football coach? We pre-teens decided to try the pranked pizza, and our lips got so hot that on the drive home--it was winter in Oklahoma you see, we had our lips on the windows of the car to cool them off. That's my Edgar Winter 'Frankenstein' song memory...
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John B

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Posted 1497362423	Reply with quote #15

Hey, a great instrumental everyone should hear is Brian and Andy's "In My Moondreams"!
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