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Darren J. Ray

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Larry, it was in the Gold Play-Off early last year, Jan 29-Feb 5, so it can't be 65 weeks. 

But all good. 

Like 'Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)' and the former bridesmaid 'The Warmth of the Sun', 'In My Room' seems one of those we're destined to hear until it wins a year and is retired. 


John B, LOL. Yeah, not a fan of those two. But something about this song, possibly its wistful resignation, that I just love.

I've come to realise it's a polariser which I don't understand.....





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I quite like that Bobby Jean song.

Al, thanks for listening to the kiwi music I post. It's nice to know you're enjoying it. Princess Chelsea is amazing and is just getting better all the time. She writes all her own stuff.




And on theme.







paul - thanks for posting the Mark Hollis clip.

Larry, the horse would have been appealing to me whichever way it was facing, and this way around, more scrutinised than any other face there. So I'm happy with the horse.



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Darren:

you apparently are not alone.  From setlist.fm:

'Bobbie Jean' is the #16th most performed live song by Bruce
  (between: #15 'Jungleland' and #17 'Prove it All Night').  

I'm not saying I hate 'Bobbie Jean', God knows it's less immature than 'No Surrender',
but ...does this order seem right to you?

by comparison:

Brian Wilson's #16 is 'Do it Again'.  
  (between: #15 'Don't effing Worry Baby' & # 17 'In My effing Room')   !

The Beach Boys--yes, including Mikes travesties, but still:  #16 is 'Kokomo'
   (between #15: 'Don't Worry, Baby' and #17: '409'*).
 
*yes, I am on record as saying that one is overrated, too.

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So...as someone who appreciates 'Bobbie Jean', maybe you can help me understand it ?

The first part, sounds like ...a fan letter rock star Bruce received, from the mother of a former classmate, after that former friend--a girl I'm thinking because of the word choice 'baby', who killed herself.  Why else would he say 'he wishes he could have said something, inferring, now it's too late, as she's gone.'


So, like a lot of Born in the USA songs, Bruce reminisces/remembers when, 'no one could understand me the way you did'.   So, THAT sounds like a close former girlfriend.  Perhaps the woman he wrote 'Thunderclap' about.  Perhaps the woman he knocked around near the 'Live Anti Nuke' concert times, as witnessed by Jackson Browne, etc.  Yet...and here's the part I don't understand:

we get to the last verse, and Bruce is imagining the former very close soul-mate 'maybe being out on some road somewhere, or in a motel room traveling along, or maybe listening to the radio and hearing this song.'   So...still alive?  and he doesn't want to 'change your mind'.  Surely, if it was suicide or drug overdose, Bruce would want to 'change your mind.'  So...was it jail instead of death?  if so, why again does he say 'good luck and goodbye'?   why can't rock star Bruce go and visit the former closest soul mate in his life, in jail (or the mental hospital, or whatnot?).  why is he saying 'good luck' and good bye?   is he suddenly hindu and its the reincarnation of his former soulmate traveling alone in the motel room and listening to the radio?  If so, would the reincarnation know like in those 'Heaven Can Wait' movies, that she was formerly the only person who would ever understand Bruce the way she did?   or not? 

This is plainly Bruce's 'Ode to Billie Joe'--even the title is similar...

Two more theories: 

the parent concern, it's too late, and now, he doesn't want to change her mind. 

Sex change?    but ...would that make liberal Bruce trans-phobic, wouldn't it? (because he just wants to say 'good luck and goodbye.'

OR....is it the former soulmate's spirit...ghost, traveling along the road somewhere or in motel room, listening to the radio.  If so, sorry, Bruce, but you just can't 'say goodbye' to a ghost.  Woo!  Woo!  She will haunt you now for sure...

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p.s. for the curious, the #1 performed song by Brian is 'God Only Knows' and for Bruce, 'Born to Run'.

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Darren J. Ray

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Hi John. Thanks for asking. 

I just take it as a message to a girl he hung with as a teenager who has left town, determined to 'find' herself. 

Springsteen sees her as a soulmate. 

I don't believe she's dead at all. 

In the last verse, he's hoping this song will be played on the radio and that'll she hear it and know he's thinking of her. But he's letting her go. 


LOL! I like 'No Surrender' too; even that line about 'we learned more from a three-minute record, baby, than we ever learned in school'. No wonder he mumbles - the guy is illiterate!

But the energy - those Max Weinberg drums - wow!

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Larry Franz

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Originally Posted by Darren J. Ray
Larry, it was in the Gold Play-Off early last year, Jan 29-Feb 5, so it can't be 65 weeks. 

But all good. 

Like 'Don't Talk (Put Your Head On My Shoulder)' and the former bridesmaid 'The Warmth of the Sun', 'In My Room' seems one of those we're destined to hear until it wins a year and is retired. 

Right, but I was counting since the last time it was in a weekly battle. I think it should have been retired instead of "'Til I Die" that year and hope it finally makes the cut this year. (Note: if it doesn't win the playoffs this time, we're liable to hear it again in season 12! God willing and the creek don't rise.)


bonnie -- Everyone was happy with the horse except David Crosby. And maybe fans of Gene Clark, who had left the group a year earlier. I wonder if the horse was happy to be there. I've heard you have to look at the ears to see how he or she is doing. 

Thanks for the Princess Chelsea songs. More about her: 
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Chelsea Nikkel, better known by her stage name Princess Chelsea, is an experimental producer and musician from Auckland, New Zealand, and a previous member of twee pop band The Brunettes and Auckland band Teenwolf.... 

Her baroque musical style has been attributed to her classical training, and the New Zealand Herald praised her "angelic vocals and acerbic wit".


John B -- I haven't played Born in the USA in decades and didn't remember the song. Listening to it now and reading the lyrics, it sounds like Bobby Jean simply left town. Nobody could have convinced her to stay. What bothers me about the song is that its melody is lacking. Lots of composers run out of melodies at some point. I think it happened to Bruce.



The Everly Brothers -- "Gone, Gone, Gone"
youtube.com/watch?v=GZ5yUqK9ClE

The Black Keys -- "She's Long Gone"
youtube.com/watch?v=nC-BAxy3PoI

Elle King -- "Good Thing Gone"
youtube.com/watch?v=f9bSMmgi4i0

The Drums -- "Skippin' Town"
youtube.com/watch?v=bUgHKif2fro

The Beach Boys -- "Break Away"
youtube.com/watch?v=Sn0A8HOC8a8

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Larry & Darren, thanks!   probably few people like Bruce as much as I do, at his best.  But then, he ...simplified shall we say, both melodies and lyrics, and sold a truck-load more records.  This turn of events would confuse anyone, I say, charitably. 


Don't you both think this next song/lyrics/melody, are just so much better, covering similar ground?

                                         
                                                          STAY FREE

                                                         by the Clash

We met when we were in school.  Never took no shi* from no one, we weren't fools
The teacher says we're dumb, We're only having fun,
We pissed on everyone.  In the classroom.

When we got thrown out, I left without much fuss.  An' weekends we'd go dancing
Down Streatham on the bus.
You always made me laugh, Got me in bad fights,
Play me pool all night.  Smokin' menthols.

I practiced daily in my room.  You were down the crown planning your next move
Went on a nicking spree, hit the wrong guy
Each of you get three.  Years in Brixton.

I did my very best to write.  How was butlins? Were the Screws too tight?
When you lot get out, We're gonna hit the town
We'll burn it effing down.  To a cinder.

'Cause years have passed and things have changed And I move anyway I want to go
An I'll never forget the feeling I got when I heard that you'd got home
An I'll never forget the smile on my face, 'Cause I knew where you would be
An if you're in the crown tonight, have a drink on me.

but go easy.  Step light.  stay free.
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Larry Franz

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Yes, the Clash lyrics are simpler, much more direct.


An old one from the Rolling Stones. I love the beginning. The song starts off fine for the singer but does not go well at the end. (It's a good idea to read the lyrics sometimes.)

"Flight 505"

Well, suddenly it dawned on me 
That this was not my life 
So I just phoned the airline girl
And said, "Get me on flight number 505"...

Well, suddenly I saw 
That we never ever would arrive 
He put the plane down in the sea 
The end of flight number 505 

youtube.com/watch?v=sqPO9FJLB4A

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Larry/Darren:

if you guys are right, and Bruce is getting all worked up about 'Bobbie Jean' for leaving town without telling him first...since he's so close to the family that he can just drop by unannounced, why didn't he just ask her mother for the new phone number?   I still think I'm missing something.  We all leave town, don't we?  Don't most of us keep friends and family after moving that we still visit?   No one still lives where they grew up.  Bruce was 35 when that song came out.  Don't get the finality to it.  Such a drama king...


--you know, in addition to 'Goin' Back' (75 Roxy) and 'Up on the Roof' (from the 1974-5 live bootleg, 'You Can Trust Your Car'), setlist.fm informs me that Bruce has done practically every Byrds song imaginable, not just all the great ones written by Bob Dylan, but even "Hey, Mr. Spaceman" and "Ballad of Easy Rider."   really caught my eye that he has performed "When I Grow up."  Will have to try to listen at home sometime on Youtube.
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Larry Franz

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The lyrics imply that Bobby Jean left town for parts unknown:

Well maybe you'll be out there on that road somewhere
In some bus or train traveling along
In some motel room there'll be a radio playing

So she may not have a fixed address. Since it's 1984 or earlier, she doesn't have a cell phone either. But maybe she'll stop by one day and look Bruce up.

He sang "When I Grow Up"? Who knew? But here it is, said to be live in Dublin in 1985. The description says it was the first concert he did after getting married, which adds meaning to the lyrics. It also says it's his only known performance of the song.




Two from Dan Hicks & His Hot Licks (1969):

"How Can I Miss You When You Won't Go Away" (escaping someone by making them leave)
youtube.com/watch?v=rW9-FOLG-iA

"I Scare Myself" (not on topic, but it could be a sequel to the first song, when the singer is filled with regret)
youtube.com/watch?v=O0h6FBbw8jY


We're almost four days into this with six intrepid voters so far.

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I'm going with the order in which they were presented:

G Beach Boys

S Drifters.  James Taylor might have given the Boys a, well, run, for their money.

B Byrds

T Bruce.  Hmm I might have never heard the whole song before - don't recall that bridge.

Has to be one of my favourites from the 90s





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John B

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thanks, Larry, I never heard that one either.  Unfortunately, it says 1985 instead of 1975, so not as good.  This arrangement was not what I was imagining when I saw Bruce did the song.  I was thinking how his rougher voice would sound rocking up this song with rock n roll band accompaniment.  Instead we get slow and ponderous/ fear of the future only.  Reminds me exactly of how I felt when I heard, 'great!  Bruce covers Elvis' 'Follow that Dream'.  THEN, I heard it, about this same time, slow, ponderous, bland, and holy, just as the critics were telling him, all his best songs were ('My Hometown', 'I'm on Fire', ' 'Mansion on the Hill', etc.).  to balance, mid-80's Bruce also recorded many pedestrian bar-band songs that Bob Segar fans liked, like 'Glory Days'.  When confronted by this, his management team, Landau & Landau & Marsh, Murder Inc., would say they were the same (e.g., 'Ramrod is one of the saddest songs I've ever written' (to people who never actually went to a pawn shop, maybe...?).    Yet, slow ponderous bland holy Bruce sold 20 times the records as his much better self 10 years earlier.   One day, though, it stopped, and he went on anti-depressants.
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Votes:

Echoing John B on the double-tie (goes to the runner).

Golds:

In My Room and Born To Run - they're equal opposites.

Bronzes: 

The Drifters and Byrd Brothers - Goffin/King

No tins this week to these ears. But they are BOTH Double Golds And the point fives combine to cancel. 
youtube.com/watch?v=AWzgbleoZYE
youtube.com/watch?v=Zbasjy2_IY8
Excellent Broadway show >

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Larry Franz

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D.A.N. & Al -- Thanks for your votes and videos, and to Al for removing those annoying decimal numbers (for now)! 

John B -- I was disappointed hearing Bruce's interpretation as well, although I thought it improved as he went along. 


The Temptations -- "Just My Imagination (Running Away With Me)"
youtube.com/watch?v=YNn361umypM

Rob Wasserman, Carnie & Brian -- "Fantasy Is Reality / Bells of Madness"
youtube.com/watch?v=9jl8tnW9QYI

The Shins -- "Fantasy Island"
youtube.com/watch?v=hpmI6l_65QI

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Darren J. Ray

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I was listening to this tonight and wondered how many here were aware of it. 

It got a lot of radio airplay here in '79. 




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Larry Franz

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Darren -- That McGuinn, Clark & Hillman song was on the charts for a few weeks in some smaller markets in the US, but couldn't be called a hit. I didn't know they were a group (they sound like an excellent law firm, however). 


I've known how I'd vote since Monday, so might as well make it official.

Gold -- The Beach Boys -- It would be in my Beach Boys Top 10 if I made up a Top 10.

Silver -- Bruce Springsteen -- A tremendous track from a great album.

Bronze -- The Drifters -- Another classic. Simply beautiful.

Pewter -- The Byrds -- I really like this one, but I've never had so much trouble picking a fourth song. I picked it at the last minute because the Byrds are popular, it sounds great, it's less well-known and it describes a different kind of escape.


Some I didn't consider but do admire:

The Four Preps -- "26 Miles (Santa Catalina)" -- #2 in 1958.
youtube.com/watch?v=XzIav6m2VbA

The Ronettes -- "Paradise"
youtube.com/watch?v=1D-N_z029Z4

Tigers Jaw -- "Escape Plan"
youtube.com/watch?v=BpYadNm60a8

R.E.M. -- "Departure" (reading their lyrics rarely increases comprehension)
youtube.com/watch?v=t3j8QNtDnLY

The Ramones -- "I Wanna Be Sedated"
youtube.com/watch?v=bm51ihfi1p4

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