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Larry Franz

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This week we have four songs with titles related to quantity (or that which can be measured). In addition, they are all by performers who began their careers in or around Los Angeles. 

(One of the songs came first. Then came the quantity idea. Then the Los Angeles idea.)

Only the Beach Boys have been in the Battle before. None of the songs have.

 

Love formed in Los Angeles in 1965. They were originally led by Arthur Lee, whose family moved to L.A. when he was five. They only had one Top 40 hit (this week's song was #33 in the U.S.). But their third album, Forever Changes (1967) was #40 on Rolling Stone's list of 500 greatest albums. It's now included in the National Recording Registry (along with Pet Sounds, but not "Good Vibrations"!). The group called themselves the Grass Roots until another Grass Roots came along.

"7 and 7 Is" (Da Capo, 1966)

  

Most of the Beach Boys were from the Los Angeles suburb of Hawthorne. Although Hawthorne is part of the South Bay section of Los Angeles County (hence the song "South Bay Surfers"), it's all inland. The Wilson home at 3701 W. 119th St. was more than five miles from the beach. When the group became successful, they relocated to nicer neighborhoods.

"A Thing Or Two" (Wild Honey, 1967)

 

Ariel Pink (real name Ariel Rosenberg) was born in Los Angeles. He began writing songs when he went to Beverly Hills High. He made his first album while he was in art school, at CalArts (California Institute of the Arts) in the Santa Clarita Valley north of L.A. He used to perform and record as Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti. Now he is simply Ariel Pink.

"One Summer Night" (pom pom, 2014)

 

The members of Los Lobos ("the wolves") got together when they all attended Garfield High in East Los Angeles. That part of L.A. is far from the beach. Its 130,000 residents are roughly 96% Latino (85% with Mexican ancestry). Los Lobos began recording in the 1970s, but didn't do an album for a major label until 1984. They got famous in 1987 when they recorded the title song for La Bamba, the Ritchie Valens movie.

"A Matter of Time" (How Will the Wolf Survive?, 1984)

 

To summarize:

Love, "7 and 7 Is"

The Beach Boys, "A Thing Or Two"

Ariel Pink, "One Summer Night"

Los Lobos, "A Matter Of Time"

 

In addition to ranking these four songs, please consider sharing other songs with quantitative titles or that were recorded by Los Angeles or Southern California artists. For extra credit, you can share songs with appropriate titles and recorded by appropriate people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Los_Angeles

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bands_from_Los_Angeles [not close to a complete list]


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John E

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Here's my order:

1. Love - one of the greatest rock tracks of all time

2. Ariel Pinl - Sounds okay

3. Los Lobos - Not bad (except maybe that "wake the baby" line)

4. Beach Boys - BB songs of this ilk really irritate me

Here's Johnny Echols &  the Love Band in 2019. I saw them twice this year, and they were great (best youtube video that I can find, but weird to see a seated audience at this one)! 



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John B

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This is fairly simple, I love two songs.

1. "A Matter of Time"  by Los Lobos

classic, including the lyrics, usually by Louie Perez, the drummer.  saw them play live in a Cinqo De Mayo free concert In East Los Angeles probably about that time.  they were always great.  saw them a couple of times more, once at the Greek which is near the knife battle in 'Rebel W/O a Cause.'  Love David's voice, love Caesar's guitar and style.  Love Steve B.'s sax.  Love them all. 

2. "One Summer Night"  by Arial Pink

impressed.  Never heard before.  Sounds somewhere between the Last and Jan Berry.   Solid!

3. "A Thing of Two" by the Boys

one of the lessor songs on a very good album.   Sounds a little like Carl & the Passions before its time, huh?   Not terrible.  just not my cup of tea.   You're going to tell that little girl a thing or two.  Like what?  It's lucky he's working from 9 to 5 and has to get me 5 doctors just to keep him alive.  huh?  the boys were about...25 or 26 years old then. such melodrama. 

4.  "7 and 7 is"

I'm not going to be too insulting, since people love this group, just not me.  but...it's almost written in 1 note, innit.  maybe if I ever smoked pot, I might be missing something... 7 and 7 is...the size of his padded cell?  someone will say they influenced punk.   would the surviving members think that was a compliment?  you wrote atonal songs?
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Larry Franz

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Thanks to John E & John B for the early votes and the strongly-stated opinions.

John E -- The amount of gray hair in the first rows might explain the seated audience. (Speaking as someone who appreciates sitting more than I used to.)

I'm not that big a fan of Forever Changes as a whole, but I love some of their songs and will probably vote exactly like you did. 

Three from Forever Changes (1967):

"Maybe the People Would Be the Times or Between Clark and Hilldale"


"Andmoreagain"
youtube.com/watch?v=zfis7-VEYMs

"Alone Again Or"
youtube.com/watch?v=cPbNpIG8x_s

Two from Four Sail (1969): 

"Always See Your Face"
youtube.com/watch?v=OkWVrLfiJKs

"Nothing" 
youtube.com/watch?v=1yw9Wi2Soqs


John B: Yes, but what a great note!

I'm glad you're a big fan of Los Lobos. I saw them once at the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles in the early 80s. The other acts, I think, were Black Flag, X and the Blasters.
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The grand opening of the Olympic Auditorium was on August 5, 1925, and was a major media event, attended by such celebrities as Jack Dempsey and Rudolph Valentino. One of the last known major boxing and wrestling arenas of its respective golden eras still in existence today, the venue now serves as a worship space for a Korean-American evangelical church....


Two others from How Will The Wolf Survive? that I thought about using this week:

"Corrido #1"
youtube.com/watch?v=62ZTuf5Ncwc

"Our Last Night"



PS:  Wikipedia says Probyn Gregory toured with the Love Band in 2009.
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Cindy Hood

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Larry, The Beach Boys is one I've heard before, but the other 3 are newbies to me.

I'll go with:

Gold:  The Beach Boys for A Thing Or Two.  I do believe I've heard others songs by the Boys that sound very similar to this one.  Anyhoo, this is the best out of the four.

Silver:  Los Lobos for A Matter of Time.  Nice.  Good vocals and music.  Pleasant.

Bronze:  Ariel Pink for One Summer Night.  Better than that first one I heard.

Tin:  Love for 7 and 7 Is.  Loud, loud, LOUD!  

Thanks, Larry!








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John B

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...and before this is over, class, Larry is going to explain the lyrics to '7 and 7 is'...
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Larry Franz

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Thanks for your votes, Cindy. It is loud and John B says there's only one note!

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Originally Posted by John B
...and before this is over, class, Larry is going to explain the lyrics to '7 and 7 is'...

The internet isn't in complete agreement about the lyrics, but:

When I was a boy I thought about the times I’d be a man

I’d sit inside a bottle and pretend that I was in a can
In my lonely room I’d sit, my mind in an ice cream cone
You can throw me if you wanna ‘cause I’m a bone and I go boo-bip-bip boo-bip-bip yeah!

If I don’t start cryin' it’s because that I have got no eyes
My firewood's in the fireplace and my dog lies hypnotized
Through a crack of light I was unable to find my way
Trapped inside a night but I’m a day and I go boo-bip-bip boo-bip-bip, yeah!

Since you raised the issue, I see it as an intense expression of anxiety, a response to the stresses and contradictions of life!

When I was a child I thought about what it would be like to be a man. I pretended my life was different. I was lonely and people said I was dumb (my mind in an ice cream cone, a dunce's cap). You can criticize me for feeling this way but I'm used to that.

I want to express my pain but I don't know how/can't do it. I can't really change things, it's the way things are. It looked like there was a way out of these feelings/this situation, but not really. I'm trapped in this reality in which I don't fit (I wasn't made for these times?).

So I just go wild and one day there will be a big explosion! The end.

But, no, my job is to pick four songs and count the votes. You should try it sometime! [smile]


Love had a 1966 hit in L.A. and elsewhere with their version of a Burt Bachrach/Hal David song originally recorded by Manfred Mann for the movie What's New, Pussycat? "My Little Red Book" only reached #52 nationally, although the lyrics were straightforward (I could have used this one this week too). Bachrach didn't like their version, but it's now considered a garage rock classic.



PS: The Beach Boys have a rough version of this on YouTube. Not recommended.
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John E

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Here's a cleaned-up version of Brian's version of the Love track that Larry mentions (written by Burt Bacharach of course and also recorded by Manfred Mann): 

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Al Forsyth

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Voting:

The LA concept is too far from me - I'm trying to enjoy the ending of summer out here on the east COAST.  Ans it's a numbers game.

GOLD - to Brian and the boys here.  The sound of it is completely different than everything else this week - clean actually - thanks Mark and Alan. youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1661&v=lFHGP4kwgt4
https://www.allmusic.com/album/1967-sunshine-tomorrow-mw0003052839

The song actually rocks out - which is kind of rare for the Beach Boys as they were getting back to basics.
Okay - confession:  I LOVED the Sunshine Tomorrow project and how they saved and resurrected this music.  I was one of those not liking this period (post Pet Sounds/Smile) and came away differently but it needed the help from Mark Linett and Alan Boyd in doing so. 

Silver - to Los Lobos - always liking this band. Great band and singing/playing but NOT a great song here (great in parts).  So it comes to second. Now when it slows down for the guitar part - cool.  The guitar bits at the end though - wonderful!  

Bronze - To Arthur Lee and Love.  I never was a fan back in the day (Little Red Book more-so) and really still not. That was "the times are a change-in" period alright.  
youtube.com/watch?v=nmTkBB5yxr0
Agreeing with John B. about the lyrics.

Tin to Ariel Pink - I couldn't get through the entire thing. 

Keep finding the magic numbers, Larry, in your LA search for the magic. 








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John B

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thanks for very good effort, Larry.  But what about the title?   is it surely not?, about bourbon and 7-up? or a small jail (or mental health) cell?   7 and 7 is.  Sounds mathematical.   It's just stoner non-sequitur, is my guess.  like something Cheech & Chong would giggle about because it makes no sense and that makes it funny.   only Love is not funny, are they?  

by contrast, Prince's song '7' was I think about how if you stand with Jebus, 'all 7 (deadly sins) will die'.  See, that's the kind of non-sense I can understand! 

and since we're on the topic of lyrics, why 'Little Red Book'?   the cliché about the bachelor in pre-grinder days, turning his little pages to see say, Wanda, 3 stars vavavoom!  or Brenda, 3 1/2 stars, big gazaungas!' etc.  was a 'Little BLACK Book.'  What is a little red book?   and why? 

--seriously, I appreciate the hosts very much.  The tech is beyond me, as I have no cell phone, never downloaded or tweeted or instagramed or facebooked or anything like that.   I couldn't do it.  too right brained I guess.  plus, as I've said before, I would set a record for least responses, which might hurt my feelings.
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wait, I think I got it.

the secret is the mathematical equation!

I-420.   or 1+4+2+0=7. 

that is, Love was expressing early support for a holiday that would be on April 20th. 
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Larry Franz

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John E -- Thanks for the cleaned up version. Sounds like Brian was enjoying himself.

Al -- Thanks for your votes & comments, and especially this guy's enthusiastic review and the Mark Linett interview. I'll go back and start the interview from the beginning. I'm pleased to say that the Sunshine Tomorrow CD is now in my possession and next up on our old car's CD player. I didn't rush to get one -- I almost said "rush out" to get one but we don't usually  go outside to buy such items, right? -- because the album is on Spotify (I'm waiting for a nice note or small check from them for all these endorsements).

The reviewer's name is Giggens and his many other reviews are available here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo_BBEssGbHjFG3FrQ8ZbSA

In this video, he discusses combining the Shut Down Vol 2 and All Summer Long albums, dropping the less stellar tracks and making one super 1964 album. I love both albums but he does have a point.
youtube.com/watch?v=aqtpjLLR3B8 

John B -- Would it surprise you to know that, after writing that interpretation of Love's lyrics, I bet myself that someone (who?) would challenge the song's title? And my answer would be "beats me"?

It should be noted that the B-side of the single was "No. Fourteen" and few would deny that 7 and 7 is that. It's just a silly instrumental, like they put something relatively minor on the back of "Good Vibrations" ("Let's Go Away For Awhile") and "Heroes and Villains" ("You're Welcome").



Of course, we shouldn't blame Arthur Lee for Hal David's lyrics to "My Little Red Book", but he did sing them.

As for hosting, someone would certainly post your four songs. But there is always danger of hurt feelings. We usually like people to like what we like and respond to our communications. I mean, does it bother my ego that Al couldn't get through all of "One Summer Night"? Yes, but I'll probably get over it one day. And, after last week, where's bonnie, one might ask! Oh, well. Such are the trials of hosting.

Since I posted more from Love and Los Lobos, here are two more fine efforts considered for this week (maybe Al would have gotten through one of these?):

Ariel Pink -- "Put Your Number In My Phone"
youtube.com/watch?v=ay3RO0MgwmM

"Only In My Dreams" ("only" is quantitative, like "every" and "no" and "all", which are all expressible in the quantifiers of symbolic logic!)
youtube.com/watch?v=Ta46M5rksBk

Four voters so far and a nicely-balanced difference of opinion.


PS:  You might be right about 420 and now someone will have to revise the Wikipedia article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/420_(cannabis_culture)

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John B - watch those numbers.  There's enough smoke in this country.  I'm staying with Larry's 14. That's a good #.  
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John B

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7 is one of my very favorites, because it's a TD plus an extra point.  It's the easiest way for me to set memory codes for lockers at water parks.  14-7, 21-14, and so forth.

btw, off the subject, but that pic of Arthur (?) playing the guitar with brown shirt and green/blue guitar strap, looks exactly like one of my own brothers.  In fact, I only know it's not because my brother plays left handed.
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Better football points with 8 on the two-pointer. 
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