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Larry Franz

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So, back again already.

This week's battle began with four songs that weren't obviously related. But the lyrics of all four included either "could", "should" or "would".

It wasn't much, but that was enough for Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda week.

Note: One of the original four is no longer with us, but its replacement met the same stringent requirement. None of the songs have been in the BOTB before.


Fleet Foxes -- "White Winter Hymnal" (
Fleet Foxes, 2008)

They started out in Seattle in 2005. Robin Pecknold writes 99% of their songs and is their principal vocalist. This was the first single from their first album. Wikipedia indicates Fleet Foxes was named one of the ten best albums of the year by at least thirteen different publications.

"And Michael you would fall"

 

The Beach Boys -- "Our Sweet Love" (Sunflower, 1970)

Sunflower's highest position on the Billboard album chart was in October 1970 at #151 (between Black Talk! by Charles Earland??? and The Coming Atlantis by Freddy Robinson???). It's since been included on lists of all-time best albums. Brian, Carl and Al wrote the song. This is one of six songs that were on the version of Sunflower rejected by Reprise Records but made it through to the final product (the others being "Add Some Music", "This Whole World", "Slip On Through", "Tears in the Morning" and "At My Window").

"Our sweet love could last forever"

 

The Clash -- "Charlie Don't Surf" (Sandinista!, 1980)

Sandinista! was a triple album with 36 songs in a variety of styles. The song's title is from a scene in Apocalypse Now in which Lt. Col. William Kilgore (played by Robert Duvall) points out that, unlike him and some of his men, the Viet Cong do not surf.

"Charlie don't surf and we think he should"

 

Gary Jules and Michael Andrews -- "Mad World" (Donnie Darko soundtrack, 2001)

Michael Andrews did the soundtrack for Donnie Darko. He invited Gary Jules to sing "Mad World". After the movie became popular, the song was released as a single. It was #1 in the UK for three weeks. The original by Tears for Fears went to #3 in the UK in 1982.

"And they feel the way that every child should"


Please let us know if any of the videos don't work.

To summarize:

Fleet Foxes -- "White Winter Hymnal"
The Beach Boys -- "Our Sweet Love"
The Clash -- "Charlie Don't Surf"
G. Jules and M. Andrews -- "Mad World"


More on "coulda, shoulda, woulda":

Taken together, the term means "Spare me the useless excuses". -- William Safire

Merriam-Webster added the three words to their dictionary in 2017:

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All three words are colloquialisms, and take their initial verb and add a final as a shortening of the word have. None of them are what would be described as standard English, but, as is so often the case with such words, they have been around for a lot longer than any of the people who might complain about their use [since the 17th century in the case of "coulda"] ...

What of the expression coulda, shoulda, woulda? This seems to be of much more recent vintage, with little or no written evidence before the 1960s....

And in case you were worrying about what order you should place these three words (someone always worries about things like this), there is no set way to do so. You may feel comfortable arranging your shouldacoulda, and woulda in any way, without regrets.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/coulda-shoulda-woulda-word-history


The scene in which Robert Duvall exclaims "Charlie don't surf".


Finally, in case you missed it, Darren and I have had a little talk about the BOTB's future, beginning here:

https://brianwilson.websitetoolbox.com/post/botb-season-x-2019-schedule-9997832?pid=1309380176&highlight=optimistic


So when this battle is over a week from now, will you think you coulda, shoulda or woulda voted differently or posted something you didn't? I hope not.

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Al Forsyth

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This IS going to be a challenging vote week for me.  This is a GREAT line-up of excellent songs, but not mainstream songs.  And I have a busy week ahead me. Thanks Larry [wave]

The song that I have been obsessed with for the past two or so weeks:  playing it on guitar, singing while riding the motorcycle:

Just how he can substitute the B7 chord in for the D(7) and COMPLETES a song.  That simple, but that brilliant. 

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Larry, I'll get in here early this week because of Hurricane Dorian due to arrive here Thursday.  Who knows what'll happen here in Eastern NC.  They now say that NC looks now like it may get a direct hit.  I'm about 100 miles inland from the coast, so we should be ok.  But, for the sake of my internet service being 'iffy', I'm gonna do this now.  

Gold:  The Beach Boys for Our Sweet Love.  Clearly my first choice!  Carl sings a lovely lead vocal in this.

Silver:  G. Jules and M. Andrews for Mad World.   I find this to be very relevant in our world today and recent years.  

Bronze:  Fleet Foxes for White Winter Hymnal.  I hadn't heard this one before today.  The video is really good.  

Tin:  The Clash for Charlie Don't Surf.  I liked it.  It's just that the other 3 I liked better.  

If any of you live on the east coast, US, don't wait too long to vote.  Things could get nasty, weather wise.  

Stay safe.  

 

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Darren J. Ray

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I'm in shock. I can't believe you gave your Gold to Carl, Cindy.

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Larry Franz

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Al -- I'm glad you're pleased with the song selection. But maybe this should have been Back To School Week. [smile]

Cindy -- Dorian looks like a bad one for a lot of people. I don't know if anyone else among our regular participants might be affected. We're closer to the ocean but much further north so hurricanes are relatively rare. Good luck down there and thanks for voting!

Might as well get this out of the way while many, many are deciding whether to stay or evacuate. (Stations up and down the East Coast are probably playing it)

The Clash -- "Should I Stay Or Should I Go"
youtube.com/watch?v=xMaE6toi4mk


Public Service Announcement:  If you want to post something but are having trouble identifying Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda songs, you could go to:


http://www.songlyrics.com/

For example, a search for "Beatles would" results in their songs with "would" in the lyrics. The search function seems to be pretty reliable.

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Remember, using the power of the internet is not cheating! (It has to be good for something.)


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Larry Franz

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The Danish National Junior Girls Choir (I think) perform "White Winter Hymnal".  Jeepers.



 
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Al Forsyth

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Okay Larry - I had to slice and dice this and away I go:

Gold - The Beach Boys (example why, below) - to me this was their second greatest album behind Pet Sounds of course. This song always got to me and I thought was elegant for a number of reasons (again, see below). 

Silver - The Clash.  This band is a great band.  I am adding a live version below.  Bass and guitar doing their thing while the drums are setting the beat. 

Bronze - Robin Pecknold and company.  I don't love the song but there is something so unusual about it (the video is incredible) and there was somehow a connection to Brian Wilson that I never got.

Tin - and I had to do it because it couldn't rise above the others - Mad World - G. Jules and M. Andrews 

Listen to this:



And this:


The Beach Boys song is so rich and intricate.  Listen to harmonies and then the strings. ^

The Clash just light this thing up.  A good band grooves together and hey are here. ^






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Larry Franz

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Al -- thanks for your votes and those terrific videos. 

To give "Mad World" equal time after our last two posts: the livelier original from Tears For Fears.

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Three songs I like, suspect I'll give the Tin to the one I haven't heard before.  Unless I happen to like that one more than at least one of the others.  Obviously.
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Casting votes early ... off to Japan on Friday

Gold: G. Jules and M. Andrews -- "Mad World"
Silver: Fleet Foxes -- "White Winter Hymnal"
Bronze: The Beach Boys -- "Our Sweet Love"
Tin: The Clash -- "Charlie Don't Surf"
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Larry Franz

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Originally Posted by D.A.N
Three songs I like, suspect I'll give the Tin to the one I haven't heard before.  Unless I happen to like that one more than at least one of the others.  Obviously.

It's hard to poke many holes in your analysis. 

St. Kilda Forever -- Thanks for your votes and have a good trip.


Personally, I'm finding this week's three target terms to be pretty damn popular among successful lyricists. It's almost as if you choose a song, and then....

Buffalo Springfield -- "Mr. Soul" 

Why in crowds just a trace of my face could seem so pleasin'
Any girl in the world could have easily known me better
Is it strange I should change?

youtube.com/watch?v=jyc0JSd5q7U


Appropriately followed by "Broken Arrow"

Could you tell that the empty-quivered brown-skinned Indian on the banks ... held a broken arrow?

youtube.com/watch?v=d5b3igkzRhk



Billy J. Kramer with the Dakotas -- "Bad To Me"

The birds in the sky would be sad and lonely
The leaves on the trees would be softly sighin'

youtube.com/watch?v=2CMX0mCFYJ4



The Magnetic Fields -- "When You Were My Baby" (thought about using it this week and it won't get out of my brain)

Everybody called you a fool when you wouldn't play by the rules
And I just couldn't help but love you 




PS: Merriam-Webster lists five meanings of "should". I should think any will be acceptable this week.
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Al Forsyth

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And just to give Larry a "thanks Larry" again - I can't get Charlie Don't Surf out of my head singing it sometimes in strange places - car, grocery store.  But I'm balancing it off with Martha, My Dear - been messing with that on the piano these days. The last time that happened here was the First Aid Kit song - I'll Be Your Emmylou. 


Think that I need the shirt.

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Hi Larry. What an incredible clip from the Danish National Junior Girls Choir. I had to play it a second time.

This theme has incredible scope, to put it politely.

Let's start in the woods.

Tiny Ruins, who has a new album out this year.

"How much would you be willing to give?"





"You would not know what to do with the words"







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Al Forsyth

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LOVE when Bonnie feeds us something NEW.  So I will (doesn't fit the theme) and the dj started talking over (before the ending). At least you're on the radio.  LOVE that and the little pick up beginning.  Sounds like F word in there - but isn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=144&v=6GUzsinBhzY

Bonnie, on the Tiny Ruins above, her bass playing is so bad that it's EXCELLENT. Go figure. 

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Larry Franz

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Al -- That Clash poster has a story. 
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The Clash played a series of 17 concerts at Bonds International Casino in New York City in May and June 1981 in support of their album Sandinista!. Due to their wide publicity, the concerts became an important moment in the history of the band.... 

The site of the concerts was formerly Bonds department store which had been converted into a large second-floor hall.... As The Clash had not yet broken out into mass popularity, eight shows were originally scheduled: 28, 29, 30, 31 May and 1, 2, 3 and 5 June 1981. However, given the venue's legal capacity limit of 1750, the series was blatantly oversold (3500) right from the first night, leading the NY City Fire Department to cancel the Saturday, 30 May performance. In response, the band condemned the brazen greed of the promoters while demonstrating unprecedented integrity to each and every ticket holder by doubling the original booking with a total of 17 dates extending through June.

Strict interpretation of the fire laws meant that audiences were relatively small, resulting in a sense of intimacy between the band and the audience. Audience members clambered onto the stage to join in singalongs.... 

The concert [available on many bootlegs] captures The Clash on the cusp between being a cult band and their short-lived major market penetration. As always with The Clash, ticket and merchandise prices were set relatively low [Wikipedia].

The Bonds International Casino was a special place.

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A swanky supper club in the 1930s, then a department store, in the 1970s Bonds was reborn as a punk club with a dance floor rumored to be the biggest in town. It was a crazy scene – water fountains from Liberace’s old TV show burbled on the dance floor, silver balloons shaped like people whipped around on the ceiling looking like tortured aliens, and bare chested bartenders in gold lame shorts worked the bar. I remember the ladies’ room was filled with young women rifling through suitcases looking for one of the many different outfits they had brought to change into during the evening ...

http://www.wendylawless.com/bonds-international-casino/


bonnie -- Thanks for the videos. I especially liked Puma Blue's guitar. Spotify says "Puma Blue is the alias of singer/songwriter, producer and multi-instrumentalist Jacob Allen, based in London, UK, whose music has been described as 'voicemail-ballads'" and that he produces the music in his bedroom.

As for Tiny Ruins, they're "a band based in Auckland ... originally conceived in 2009 by songwriter Hollie Fullbrook to describe her solo output".

Now, as for "scope", yes indeed. We have Necessity ("would"), Possibility ("could") and Value (how the world "should" be), all in one tidy package, or tiny ruin.


Back later with more music, more music, but for now:

Peggy Lee & the Benny Goodman Orchestra -- "How Long Has This Been Going On?"

I could cry salty tears
Oh, I feel I could melt




PS:  Cage the Elephant are apparently famous. As you say, Al, "Social Cues" is good from the beginning.
youtube.com/watch?v=6GUzsinBhzY

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