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Peter Simpson

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Difficult as they are all good songs

but being such a huge Nilsson fan, I have to put Shelly Duval as Gold - not sure that I've ever heard Nilsson sing this, but I would like to

Silver - Brian

Bronze - Georgia Brown - hadn't heard this version before. It's one of the several songs from "Oliver" that we use for the Alzheimers "Singing For The Brain" group that I work with (as a pianist)  (the others being "Food Glorious Food", "I'd Do Anything" and, of course, "Consider Yourself")

Tin - Nina Simone - doesn't deserve to be tin as it's probably the best performance of them all here - but that's how it goes.
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John B

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I agree with Peter above that the one song here that challenges Brian's is the Nilsson one.  Okay, thanks for the songs, Paul, and to my votes:

1) Brian's 'She Says That She needs Me'.   Beautiful singing and verses matched with very unusual chorus/song structure--reminds me of those 2 great songs on "Live at the Roxy" in that way, 'The first Time' and 'This Isn't Love'....but also, since we're on the subject of unusual song structures, 'Wendy' and 'This Whole World.'   1st place !

2) 'He Needs Me' by Shelly Duval

although rather than 'Popeye' I think of the film 'Punch Drunk Love' for this song.  Al may be right about his 'Betty Boop' comment, but as I have been accused before of this---with Cyndie Lauper, I guess I just like Betty Boop.

3) 'He Needs Me' by Nina Simone.

rather bland and understated--which I like at the first of the song with all the jazzy chords, but then...that's all the song (and singer) does.  Ultimately, not my cup of tea.

4)  'As Long as he Needs Me' by Georgia Brown.  How can it be?  Larry's fave is my least fave, here?  and what makes this mediocre Brit 'sweet'?  that's what I want to know.  oh...it's a Globetrotters ref. Not a fan of 'Oliver', not a fan of Davey Jones when he wasn't a Monkee, or really, any musicals, or Fred Estaire's singing--, and deep down I think I would like to see 'Hamilton' but why did it have to have songs?  Southpark makes fun of the Mormon church?  sounds good.  In songs?   uh...looks at watch.  I don't even like the Beatles falling down in the field and running up and down stairs to 'Can't buy Me Love'.  I don't like videos.   I don't like cell phones.  I know, I know, I am a miscreant!

that being said, LOVE 'You Baby' by the Turtles.  Those fat guys could sing, huh?
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kds

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Gold - Brian 

Silver - Georgia Brown

Bronze - Shelley Duvall - Glad she was able to get out of the Overlook Hotel safely.  

Tin - Nina Simone
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John B

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You know, one thing I wonder is which came first: 'He Needs Me' by Nillson or 'Just Like Starting over' by John Lennon, since they were both out in 1980 and I know they were good friends.  I do here a musical similarity.
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Larry Franz

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Quote:
Originally Posted by John B

How can it be?  Larry's fave is my least fave, here?

John B -- That's an excellent question. I've thought about it and finally figured it out: you must be wrong!

Well, enough of that. [smile]

Sometimes attraction is simple, even if the lyrics don't explain it well at all:

Bob Dylan, "I Want You", Blonde on Blonde, 1966 (the video shows many people wanting each other or acting as if they do in black and white)



Speaking of Harry Nilsson: "There Will Never Be", Pandemonium Shadow Show, 1967 (his second album, before he became famous)



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Larry Franz

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John B -- A further thought on the discrepancy in our voting: I could not bring myself to give gold to a song that uses "I" instead of "me" as the object of a prepositional phrase. I just couldn't. It wouldn't be right.

Sonny & the Sunsets, "She Plays Yo Yo With My Mind", Hit After Hit, 2011



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John B

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You know on that point, Larry, I always now do what you don't like (both in speaking and in writing).  It is not natural, but I have adjusted to doing it because my favorite Judge told me it was grammatically wrong.  That is, if you diagrammed the sentence, you shouldn't say 'me' before the verb, you would say 'I'.  So, Brian is grammatically correct.  Had it not been my fave Judge, I would probably still be speaking at least in the colloquial way you advocate, but now I never do.  I guess It's kind of like making myself say Colo-rad-o rather than Colo-rahd-o as I grew up doing, because of Jan Berry.   Never said Colo-red-a, as they do in O-kla-homa. Talk about your uneducated people... 

btw, off the subject, but on that essential topic, when the Roches came up, I did not mention the cover of 'A Day in the life of a Tree' by Suzy and Maggie.   did you ever hear that?   Not essential, but a very faithful cover, though. 
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David W

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My votes ....gone for familiarity !

Gold: Georgia Brown
Silver: Brian W
Bronxe: Nina S.
Tin :Shelley

Can't go wrong with a bit of Dusty......Who Can I Turn To (When Nobody Needs Me)


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John B

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also, now that I've heard it the other way so many times, it would sound strange to hear
Dennis sing:

'won't be a rags to riches story for me, ah, but the songs that I sing won't be blue, honey you and me.' 

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An American alternative rock band called OK Go.  Love what they do, and great lyrics.  "Needing/Getting".   







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Larry Franz

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John B -- I don't know which judge you're referring to, but I worked closely with several judges in Los Angeles County years ago and I'm sure they would have supported me in this:

"There's nothing here for you and I" -- wrong

"There's nothing here for you and me" -- correct, even if it doesn't rhyme with "die".

If the judges wouldn't agree with me, at least Mrs. Nowell, who taught us to diagram sentences in the 4th grade or so, would have, God rest her soul.

Quoting from a random Internet site:
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What is one of the most common errors in the use of object pronouns? Is the correct prepositional phrase between you and I or between you and me? Answer: The correct expression is between you and me. Between = the preposition. You and me = the objects of the preposition. Me is an object pronoun. (I is a subject pronoun.) The next time you hear someone say between you and I, you can recite the rule.

At which point, the other person will either accept your guidance, laugh at you or punch you in the nose! (They should have mentioned that.)

Regarding "A Day In the Life of a Tree": 

I do know of that Roches track and agree it's not essential. I posted this during Lee's "spirituality" week in December:

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"A Day in the Life of a Tree" (probably won't play everywhere)

Yo La Tengo, Fade, 2013 (an odd, mostly spoken-word version)



Suzzy Roche & Maggie Roche, Why the Long Face?, 2004



PS -- I'm okay with a colloquial "you and me" sometimes replacing a grammatical "you and I". See, I'm not completely fanatical, just somewhat so. (In honor of Mrs. Nowell's memory.)

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John B

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Your example sentences are correct.  However, most examples such as Dennis' and Brian's are right the other way.  Let me clarify:  the judge (was from Fresno, actually) did not like when I would say 'me and my wife went to see that movie' or 'me and (her name) went to Hawaii'.  He preferred 'My wife and I went to see that movie' and 'My wife and I went to Hawaii' because when you diagrammed it with double subject lines, you would not write 'Me went to see that movie' or 'Me went to Hawaii'. 

I know some good judges in LA County as well.
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D.A.N

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Off to see my sister and niece on the weekend (consecutive birthdays this week)
GOLD Brian
SILVER Nina... some melodic similarity with brian's
BRONZE Shelley.. yes sounds a bit parksian
TIN Georgia Brown

I went to school with a Sean Kenny, not that one.  He probably doesn't recognise me but I've seen him around town.  Darren, you might have seen his daughter present one of the premiership medals - Martin Mattner 2012.  I was there unfortunately.  

Lisa, you took my line (MORAL:  I should have voted earlier, ie even earlier than this)...let's see if I get away with posting this instead.





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GOLD for Brian Wilson

SILVER to Shelley Duvall

BRONZE for Nina Simone

Leaving the coveted TIN for Georgia Brown

The Kinks - I Need You:

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Larry Franz

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That's a good one from the Kinks.

"Baby I Need Your Lovin'" twice:

The Four Tops, 1964 (#11 in the US)



Johnny Rivers, 1966 (#3 in the US)



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