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Darren J. Ray

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Gold - Changes (Phil Ochs - 1966)
I was very tempted to just invoke the Lisa rule here – give the Gold to the dead guy. But reading up on Phil, he sure had his issues. Then Leapy voted it last, so I knew it had to have something going for it! The tune haunted me all week, and I’m predicting I’ll be revisiting it long beyond this week. I’m not surprised Gordon Lightfoot recorded it, as have plenty of others. But I’m loving Phil’s vocal delivery. 
 
Silver - Hey Girl (Freddie Scott - 1963)
I’ve considered using this myself as I know Brian loves it and mentioned it in an interview that was printed in Mojo in 1997. I can certainly hear how it influenced him. Co-written by Scott and Goffin & King. 
 
Bronze - Caroline, No (Brian Wilson/The Beach Boys - 1966)
For some reason, I’ve never been a big fan of this. Interesting melody but it doesn’t stay with me. I hate that the tape was sped up. I like my Brian untampered with.
 
Participant - Brief Candles (The Zombies - 1968)
Noteworthy because three of them sing a lead on this – Rod Argent (the first verse), Colin Blunstone (choruses and third verse) and Chris White (the second verse), who wrote this, one of only two leads he sang in the group. I never know whether to see Zombies songs as genius or pretentious. I get similar feelings over Blunstone’s head voice. I always liked the group's sound (and they played on their own records). I don’t own Odessey and Oracle but have about half of the songs. Trouble plagued the band during the making of it, and it wasn’t successful. The misspelling of the title seems symbolic for an album that took so long to see light that it possibly sounded dated when finally released.
 
 
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Way back in the day the Folk Music Community shared their lives, their songs and sometimes their beds.  It was totally regular for various participants to record one another's songs.  So to see and hear fellow Canadians Gordon Lightfoot and Ian and Sylvia sing Phil's song was just par for the course.  It was the way the definitive version was generally and finally found.  Peter Paul and Mary gave some of Gord's early songs life.  Donovan the same for Buffy Ste. Marie.  The list is endless as I'd wager at least as many people have recorded Bob Dylan songs as have recorded Chuck Berry ditties.  [then there's Leonard Cohen]

Phil's version of Changes was not necessarily the 'standard' of that specific song.  [just as it is NOT even the 'standard' in this week's battle...unless you're somewhat 'Deranged'.]

When it came to the folk music movement...it didn't matter who your favourites were...you got to know the others' music from recordings made by your preferred artists.  Judy Collins certainly gave Joni Mitchell a helping hand.  A catapult really.

Poor Phil was unfortunately linked to Dylan.  NO ONE was gonna be able to keep up to that comparison...and Phil didn't qualify to begin with.  To begin with he was not anywhere near as prolific a songwriter and both had 'odd' voices...Bob's because he was unique...Phil's because he just didn't have it.  Many people knew that...including Ochs.

So how a guy, who didn't even record the ultimate version of his own best known song, can finish first leaves me baffled, bothered and bewildered.  I suppose it works for a contrarian. 
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Everyone's vote and opinion matters here. I think that we need to respect that, or else you fall into the Trump trap (I just minted that).  We have put our time into supporting this site and this "game" of Battle allows us to add something that others may not agree with, but it's "our take" and we ALL come from different experiences.  We have the wonderful freedom to respect those differences, or not, but it's ours/theirs and maybe we can learn something along the way.  I usually do. Here's hoping that we as a group can stay away from the trap and get back to having our civil discourse and respect (have I used that word enough?) the BOTB in a clean way. 

Please don't respond to this - it's merely a mini-advertisement.  And now back to your regularly scheduled BOTB and respecting Deb's week.  

Meantime:

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4 really good to great songs--I like them all!

1. "Caroline, No"   of course. 

going to dissent but mildly about the speed change thing.  Maybe since I made so many cassette tapes through the years that when transferred to the car, came out just a little fast. (and I still liked the songs).  I know, Murray had no right, was far out of his depth, how dare he?  and so forth.  But he didn't ruin the greatness of ...the powerful closing song on Brian's best overall album.   Let's keep things in perspective here.

2. "Brief Candles" by the Zombies

so...this means I actually like hippie songs?   Not sure, but the lyrics come together at the end for me to earn the nod over the almost as good song at #3 (and #4).  Not really that familiar with this song, but really enjoyed listening to it.  My vote is not pretentious. 

3. "Changes" by Phil Ochs

this one surprised me too--sung really beautifully.  I braced for this one, expecting I guess to hear a Dave Van Ronk like screed telling me what to do.  and it's not at all.  Just downgraded ever so slightly by the vagueness of the lyrics. 

4. "Hey, Girl"

Sung really well, very Bill Medley.  My favorite part is at the very end--almost bumped it higher.  But the lyrics are the least meaningful I think, and someone has to be 4th.

btw, Al, about civility: you would think that, you &%^$%!   

(kidding...)

on the subject of easily offended people, this is a true story.  not in Texas, my birth country, I mean state, but in California, my home for the 2nd half of my life and counting, my kids play tackle football.  this is the real kind with tackling and blocking.  anyway, Pop Warner (named after a very famous man whose life spanned Notre Dame and Palo Alto) does not post scores or standings for our conference.  I asked our team president why this was so, and he told me 'that this was highly discouraged because such information might discourage the players and parents (to see their team ranked lower than another team).   now, being from Texas, I protested: "football?!"   it's only football whose parents are too sensitive to receive such information in favor of what exactly, participation trophies for 'everyone tying--give yourselves a big hand!'  etc.    again, I dissent.  

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Darren J. Ray

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Lee, if you want to have a debate every week, why not take it to one of the 'other forums here' you mentioned before your week's hiatus?

This is my point. 

We get your opinion as soon as a host puts up their songs. But then we still get your opinion force fed to us the rest of the week as well!

That's what this forum is about - everyone having an opinion that carries equal weight. 

They're my votes and I stand by them. I've cast my votes and given my reasons. I certainly didn't expect to be abused because of them.

If you can't respect that, you're probably right; you belong on another forum. 

If you can respect that, I look forward to hearing from you again next Monday when t hosts. 


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Maybe it's that I just saw Michael Moore's new movie, 'Farenheit 11/9', but I side with Lee.  someone mentioned the president.  one does not 'beat' him by being nicer.  I think that people who believe their disagreements on here have injured them, should walk over to their shaving mirror, and see the obvious: that no one laid a finger on them: it was only a different opinion, maybe argued in a different way, but just a different opinion, that's all.  Counting myself as 'being on the left' I like to think that ...we are not the weak ones, who are unable to bear true differences in others. 
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Hey John, I may see the Michael Moore film - he predicted what was to happen, but Freddie Mercury/Queen film is coming out soon - November.
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I've got to warn you, Al.  One of the most chilling scenes hits us blue people HARD and involves, hydration...  It's such a terrible, real scene (why on earth did he do it?!) it may cause PTSD.  Very moving and powerful.   Devastating and tragic.

(but the parts against diplomacy, trade deals, globalism, Bill Clinton, and political compromise all presented as 100% negative...offend).  Moore's last film--'Where do we Invade Next' is actually better overall because it's funny as this one is not.  

I would have seen the Queen film with Cohen in the theater.  This one, I'll wait til cable.


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Darren J. Ray

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Deb, here are a couple more covers of 'Changes' by those folkies Cilla Black and Crispian St Peters.





I'm still thinking the best version is Ochs' own recording of it from 1966. 

Thanks again for including it this week.

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Two from "The Beach Boys - Smile (The American(a) Trip)" [graphics by Summertime Blooz]

"Prayer (From Sea to Shining Sea)"


"Do You Like Worms (Roll Over Ben Franklin)"
youtube.com/watch?v=x9WnRRVBodg


Fleet Foxes -- "Crack Up (Choral Version)" [possibly unavailable video]
youtube.com/watch?v=D40zCgSXOKQ

Or: "Crack Up" live with the Icelandic choir Graduale Nobili [you can be the 164th viewer]
youtube.com/watch?v=uEv5-yF0U-o


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And the most discussed song of the week (thus far):
https://secondhandsongs.com/performance/532235/versions
Pretty version -

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Hi Deb.

WYSIWYG:



Anyway, WTF is going on around here?  OMG. 

No theme makes for a nice week, but I can't help imagining what could have been ...







or maybe









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Okay Darren,

Found the PostureX version:

Love this simplicity as well:


And no trains or dogs! ^

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Darren J. Ray

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Ha, thanks, Al. He’s brilliant, our jolly friend in that first video.

I’ll be honest, and I think I’ve told you this before, but I used to wonder if that guy was you. I think you posted his clip for IJWMFTT in Season II. I obviously now know it’s not.

I just wish he’d get a bit more active cos I’d like to be enjoying his stuff on YT for a long time to come. 😉

Tom, this one’s for you, though you may have already seen it...

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Larry Franz

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Hey, Lee. Thanks for the memories. It's been fun.

The Beatles -- "The End"
youtube.com/watch?v=ewhEsr-I8w8
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