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Cindy, bonnie, stkilda4ever, liamios, t, Lisa, and David W, I thank all of you for standing in the face of all adversity and snarky criticism to continue to proudly vote your opinion this week.  If we lose the ability to do that in this corner of the “blueboard”, WE, the players, lose the battle.  
I kept changing my vote through the week.  And, I’m surprised as to how the results are trending.  I expected a two tier battle with the Zombies battling the BBs at the top, with Phil Ochs and Freddie Scott taking on each other for the bottom tier top spot. It’s not going that way at all. 

So, my votes,
   Gold – The Beach Boys - Caroline, No.  I like the song. I must as I realized this is the second time I’ve used it.  I scooped Larry’s week, too.
   Silver – Phil Ochs – Changes 
   Bronze – The Zombies – Brief Candles
   Tin – Freddie Scott – Hey Girl

I’ll be back for the final wrap-up in a bit.


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Originally Posted by Al Forsyth
Larry, with rankings, with anything regarding "popularity", it doesn't really matter.  The Grammy people have their rankings:
https://www.grammy.com/grammys/news/who-are-top-grammy-winners-all-time

A song like Ooo, Baby Baby can only grow in stature with time. Pet Sounds has done this. 

What endures - is greatness.  Everything else is just pop for it's time. 

Oh, I know. I only grew to love "Ooo Baby Baby" while participating in the battle the past several years. (I might use it in week 42 unless Deb grabs it first!)

The Miracles -- "The Tracks of My Tears" (also from 1965 -- it does better in the polls)
youtube.com/watch?v=d03Oo8jHoTA

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Deb, in case you're about ready to finalize votes, mine will be coming shortly. 
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Tom, take your time. Last minute votes are always welcome. And sometimes they surprise.

Entertaining in the interim with another song I had been weighing for this week:


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An interesting non-thematic week, and some very good songs too. 

Gold -- "Changes", Phil Ochs. An excellent folk/protest singer/songwriter who did not get enough attention in his time. And this is one of his best and best-known songs, a classic. 

Now for an interesting Phil Ochs connection that I encountered this summer: I took a Lifelong Learning course at Washington University in St. Louis this summer on the History of American Folk Music, including its renaissance in the 1960s and 70s, where we also listened to a handful of Phil Ochs songs. Our facilitator was a retired medical doctor and professor at Washington University in St. Louis, who had grown up in New York City. While this guy was in high school in the early 1960s, local musicians would sometimes come to their high school in New York City and perform for the students. One of those who did so and who left a distinct impression on this future doctor was young Phil Ochs who would come perform and try out some of his new songs on the high school students. So, naturally, Ochs left a big impression on this future doctor who became a lifelong Phil Ochs fan, and who shared this story and some of Ochs' music with our folk music class.

Perhaps my favorite Phil Ochs song, and one that some of my own high school friends and I would sing in the late sixties during the height of the Vietnam War, was this one:


Another of his anti-war classics:


And here's another of his good ones, especially timely in the age of the trumpster:


And, why not one more of his classics:


Silver -- "Caroline No", Brian Wilson (aka the Beach Boys). A true Brian classic, and just one of many excellent songs on Pet Sounds. I also prefer the slowed down (original, regular speed) version of the song as compared to Murry's "sweetened" sped-up version. 

Bronze -- "Hey Girl", Freddie Scott. A soul classic from 1963, which was a Top 10 hit on both the Billboard R&B and Top 40 hit charts in the US. While this was his only Top 10 hit on the Top 40 charts, Freddie Scott had a bunch of hits on the R&B charts and did later have this big R&B hit which was #1 for four weeks on the Billboard R&B charts in early 1967:


Tin -- "Brief Candles", Zombies. While I'm a big fan of their classic Odessey & Oracle album, this lovely song is not one of the standouts (e.g., Time of the Season, Care of Cell 44, Conversation off Floral Street, She Loves The Way They Love Her), in my opinion. 

Quick-hit side comments:

Darren, yes, I have previously seen that guy's solo, multi-part version of "Monkberry Moon Delight". He even did Linda's vocal parts. Interesting. But, I had not previously seen his cover version of "Caroline No", which in my opinion isn't as good as his take on McCartney. Here's also his interesting take on the Beatles' "Hey Bulldog" from Yellow Submarine:


Darren, Al, and others, nice to see/hear the various other recordings of Ochs' "Changes" this week. Thanks for sharing with the rest of us. 

All, I hate to see any of our contributors leave this site. Everybody has something to contribute and the loss of anyone is a loss to us all. Live and let live. Peace, love, and understanding to all! 

Deb, good eclectic battle this week, and with all good songs and artists! Thanks for bringing Phil Ochs to our attention
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is it just me, or are the Youtube clips huge now?
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Deb#1

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I'd say they are Yuge, D.A.N
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Yeah.  I meant Yuge, of course.

(actually that's how my Dad pronounces it, and we're Aussies).

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Well, what we saw is what we got.  This week has come to an end.

Tom, wow, that Draft Dodger Rag sure took me back.  It’s what I heard on the air waves “coming of age”.  How long ago that was. I think I would have enjoyed the History of American Folk Music.  Your story of Phil Ochs visiting the high school is exciting. I can’t imagine having someone like that visiting my high school.  How lucky for those students.

We are a diverse bunch this week.
There was agreement for Caroline, No.  It snagged a bunch of Gold easily taking the top spot.  No Tin stars for it whatsoever.  It wouldn’t bother me at all if we retired Caroline, No a winner this year, but those playoffs are tough. Especially when it is for the year end Gold.
I honestly expected the Zombies to run neck and neck with Caroline, No.  I was surprised to see it get only one Gold.  Thank you, liamios. 
Phil Ochs was second, with a decent number of Gold and Bronze votes and a personal story from Tom Tobben.  This song impressed me more and more over the week.
Freddie Scott had his supporters, too.  stkilda4ever and David W. gave him their Gold.  So it was Freddie Scott and The Zombies at the end.
Each one of these songs had it’s fans as well as those who didn’t care for it. It would be boring if we all liked exactly the same things..

So, here’s the tally, and thanks for the week.

Number of Players: 17
Total Points: 170

Gold – Caroline, No - The Beach Boys, 60 points
            10 Gold, 6 Silver, 1 Bronze

Silver – Changes - Phil Ochs, 42 points
             4 Gold, 3 Silver, 7 Bronze, 3 Tin

Bronze - Freddie Scott – Hey Girl, 35 points
             2 Gold, 4 Silver, 4 Bronze, 7 Tin

Tin – The Zombies – Brief Candles, 33 points
            1 Gold, 4 Silver, 5 Bronze, 7 Tin

t bedford is up next. Peace out! 


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Well done, Deb. 
 
 
'Caroline, No' has now been used four times, twice by you.
 
Its record:
 
- a Gold in Week 33 of Season I (Joy B), 8th in Gold Play-Off, 
- a Gold in Week 11 of Season III (Al Forsyth)*, 6th in Preliminary Final, 
- a Gold in Week 10 of Season VII (Deb#1), 
- a Gold in Week 34 of Season IX (Deb#1)
 
* This was one of only two songs to ever to receive unanimous Golds in a week.

Rachel Yamagata, Rickie Lee Jones and Westlife were the also-rans. 

Despite its percentage (40%), its points total (56 points from just 14 voters) meant it only qualified for the Preliminary Final and went no further, finishing 6th. 

(‘California Girls’ is the other song to receive all Golds, in Week 1 of Season VIII (Cindy Hood). The 13 voters that week meant it missed play-offs.)
 

Tony Clef's instrumental version of 'Caroline, No' won Week 5 of Season II (John Potter) and finished 10th in the Preliminary Final. 
 
 
It was the fifth Battle appearance and first Tin for the Zombies.

Their record:
 
Time of the Season (a Silver in Week 34 of Season II, 7th in Preliminary Final - Tom Tobben),
Gotta Get a Hold of Myself (a Bronze in Week 36 of Season V - t Bedford),
This Will Be Our Year (stereo) (a Silver in Week 45 of Season VII - Deb#1),
Care of Cell 44 (a Gold in Week 43 of Season VIII - Lee Marshall),
Brief Candles (a Tin in Week 34 of Season IX - Deb#1)
 
 
‘Caroline, No’ looks very likely to make play-offs again. 
 
 
Please keep supporting your hosts. 
 
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