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John B

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Okay, but which white guy do you have in mind who could sing "If I Can Dream" as well as above?  Jim?

If it weren't for their fondness of leather, and the close proximity of bathtubs to toilets, I could have just as easily have asked about Karen Carpenter.  Would it be 'funny' to post pictures of her with her bones sticking out, and then laugh about the day she died of medical problems?  Yet, no one does that.  Makes we wonder why people do it with Elvis. 


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Popeye (not the sailor)

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Good God!!! Elvis had it going on back in '68!!!

I always love the opportunity to post my favorite Stephen Foster song sung by the great Roy Orbison.


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Lee Marshall

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People do it with Elvis because they really 'think' that he was the 'king'.  The 'king' would be in charge...in control.  Elvis was NEVER any of that...  He was led about by the nose.  And if he complained?  They threatened him with endless lawsuits and grief.  So he was forced to settle.  He got tired of settling.  There was only one way out.  He was left to take it.  The kernel knew.  Elvis, endlessly stifled, was worth more dead than alive.  [to the kernel.]

What a sorry mess.
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Larry Franz

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Patricia Hampl’s new book, The Art of the Wasted Day, is so delightfully nebulous—dangling somewhere between travelogue, literary criticism, memoir, and love letter, with a couple of philosophical deadlifts thrown in—that it’s worth summarizing her argument right from the get-go: reveries and daydreams are not throwaway instances that we should shrug off or snap out of. Times when we are lost in thought, far away from quotidian woes, are moments to seek out and cultivate. The central concern of her book is to show us how to do just that—how to live a life of the mind in a humdrum world.

https://theamericanscholar.org/idle-hands-are-the-dreamers-tools/#


One of the two best-known 60s daydream songs:

The Lovin' Spoonful, "Daydream"
youtube.com/watch?v=M7u5SdjDSQQ

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Al Forsyth

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Votes:

Gold - Brian and the Boys - "This one always gets me."  LOVE this song.
Silver - and close John Lennon #9 - cool song.

Gap

Bronze - Neil - "I'm also a sucker for Calendar Girl".
Tin - Eurythmics of MTV - definitely overplayed. 

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Dunno how Elvis got in this other If I Can Dream - BUT he was the KING of everything.  One of the important recording artists of the last Century.  He changed the playing field.  I saw/heard him from the second row center in 75.  Incredible!!!!!!!!!  I got it and I'll NEVER forget it! 

LOVE The Dreaming by Kate Bush. 

Keep dreaming, Deb. 

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John B

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But Lee, wasn't Jimbo 'the lizard king'?

The subject of Elvis came up for 3 reasons: 1 battle participant famously dissed him unfairly, in my judgment; There is a brand new 3 hour+ HBO doc called "Elvis Presley, the Searcher" which strongly contradicts said diss; and 'If I Can Dream' fits the topic. Skip the next part if not interested.  thanks.

Elvis is hated because he's southern, because he was poor, because he hung with black folk, and because he was an outsider.  Insiders and the privileged tend to hate outsiders and the disenfranchised.  It's in their best interests to do so.  That's why they want to hang a 'but' on Elvis' accomplishments, knowing what he did and from where makes him much braver than they--by far, so it has to be all about smug snickers of peanut butter and banana sandwiches and jump suits.  He's rather like Bill Clinton in that way.  Rhode Scholar but...public dole no father hill trash and snickers; and for that matter, Gatsby: Yale, wealth, but...whispers...really?  from Kentucky?! and that's how he made his money?!   Elvis was REALLY the American dream, and by showing its possibility, people who benefitted from it less, resent him for that.

The doc failed the Colonel a little.  His name was really Dutch, not Tom Parker, and he was an illegal alien throughout his life in the US.  Survived though.  If Elvis was the outsider who was cool, Dreas was the outsider who was not cool, but together they navigated through the, yes, circus like show biz & real dangers of the 50's very successfully.  He is honest too when he says he didn't pick material, Elvis almost always picked all of his non-movie songs and sessions which if you read Peter Garulnick's excellent books, you know were usually great even during the times his movies weren't.  Lee: who in Elvis circle do you imagine told him to record Dylan's "Tomorrow is a Long Time"?

Led around by his nose meekly,  Lee?  Do you really think it was not Elvis who directed 'go get James Burton, Boots Randolph, and Floyd Cramer,' (all AFTER the army), and to make say "Elvis is Back" sound BETTER than his 50's albums? Then, why did Elvis choose to do a gospel album right at the top of Beatlemania and country album next to Woodstock, Let it Be, & Country Joe?  Was it his fault if the hippies didn't buy ?  or the kids liked 'Sugar Sugar' better?  No, Parker did not pick the movie songs, either, that was those awful studio contracted rules.  Not all the movies were terrible, either.  Did Dreas get credit for landing the director of Casablanca? or the playwright Clifford Odetts?   In the HBO doc, Dreas finally gets credit for booking E with Sinatra on TV.  that wasn't 'selling out' as revisionist hippies will tell you--it was belated respect from the adult entertainment community he had not received by Steve Allen and so forth in the 50's.  (and if you don't think Sinatra was great, well ef you twice).  Dreas gets no credit for the 68 special?  or Aloha Live from Hawaii?  Why not? Plus, please consider this.  What IF, just saying what if, Elvis had carried on throughout the 60's like a 1-note Brian Setzer rockabilly cat (so we never would have heard..."It's Now or Never" or "Crying in the Chapel" or "If I Can Dream" etc..  No matter how great, would the teens with the Beatles and Rolling Stone lunch boxes have cared?  

and guess what?  Southerners from poverty kind of liked those movies.  Wow!  Hawaii sure is beautiful.  I'd sure like to go to Acapulco!  I'd like to go to Vegas and drive a race car.  and what a nice Southern guy, his mother taught him manners, when he says yes sir and no sir, and sings "your time hasn't come yet baby" to a little girl or "Angel" to a big girl. GOOD to see one of us make it.  Nice way to spend a Saturday night after a hard week's work. 

anyway, if the subject interests you, the new HBO doc and the Peter Garulnick books are great.

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Keep reading about the Elvis song If I Can Dream.  Now that was gold.  It was the 'B' side in Australia.

My picks ...

Gold:  Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This)
Silver: No 9 Dream.  Forgotten about this one ... I thought 'hey I liked that' - had a listen ... now I've changed my mind.  Not as good as I remember.  
Bronze:  Your Summer Dream.  Haven't hear this - but enjoyed.  Beach Boys at their best.

Tin: Neil Sedaka - I Must Be Dreaming.  A lot of time for Neil.  Great songwriter.  Just a pleasant 'B' side.

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Darren J. Ray

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Think I'll remove that 'If I Can Dream' clip. This is getting boring. 
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kds

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Originally Posted by John B
But Lee, wasn't Jimbo 'the lizard king'?


Elvis is hated because he's southern, because he was poor, because he hung with black folk, and because he was an outsider.  Insiders and the privileged tend to hate outsiders and the disenfranchised.  It's in their best interests to do so.  That's why they want to hang a 'but' on Elvis' accomplishments, knowing what he did and from where makes him much braver than they--by far, so it has to be all about smug snickers of peanut butter and banana sandwiches and jump suits.  He's rather like Bill Clinton in that way.  Rhode Scholar but...public dole no father hill trash and snickers; and for that matter, Gatsby: Yale, wealth, but...whispers...really?  from Kentucky?! and that's how he made his money?!   Elvis was REALLY the American dream, and by showing its possibility, people who benefitted from it less, resent him for that.




Who is Elvis hated by?   Four decades after his death, his music continues to find new audiences and still be iconic.  

Me, personally, I'm not really a big fan.   I don't really dislike him.   I just happen to prefer Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, or even early Johnny Cash if we're talking rock pioneers.   

But, I won't underrate how influential Elvis was.   Without Elvis, we probably wouldn't have The Beatles.   End of story right there. 
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kds

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Speaking of Dreams, here's Fleetwood Mac

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Larry Franz

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The Marvelettes cover "Dream Baby"
youtube.com/watch?v=HRdmxEXB__k

Alvvays, "Dreams Tonite" ("If I saw you on the street, would I have you in my dreams tonight?")
youtube.com/watch?v=ZXu6q-6JKjA

Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti, "Only In My Dreams" ("If only in my dreams, she'll be right there next to me") 
youtube.com/watch?v=Ta46M5rksBk

Lord Huron, "Lonesome Dreams"
youtube.com/watch?v=h0oWKc3J9Aw

Buddy Holly, "Wishing" ("Dreaming - of the time I can hold you tight, Wishing - that the time would come tonight")
youtube.com/watch?v=iztCHhIZZOY

Dionne Warwick, "Wishin' and Hopin'" ("'Cause wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin', Plannin' and dreamin' his kisses will start, That won't get you into his heart")
youtube.com/watch?v=2ZbrDo6pvT8

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Lee Marshall

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For me...it had nothing/0/nada/ziltch to do with where he hailed from.  Southern/schmutherin'.  It was the 7 or 8 years worth of drivel they recorded and released with his name on it.  ALL of that detracted from his entire body of work...and it did so much to his detriment.  A so-called 'king' would not have wasted his time and talent on that noise pollution.  And the movies he made?  That was a start to finish horror show.  I wouldn't watch those in braille.

For all the good he contributed.  For all of the GREAT material he actually DID record...he cured it all in pure unadulterated wizz.  I hated the wizz.  The north, south, east, west wizz.  EVERYBODY lost 'cept for the wreckerd company and the kernel.
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Larry Franz

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Elvis Presley, "Love Me Tender"  -- "Love me tender, Love me true, All my dreams fulfilled"
youtube.com/watch?v=v5SkY9WHekg

& "(Now and Then There's) A Fool Such As I" -- "When you're gone, yet I'll dream, A little dream as years go by"
youtube.com/watch?v=-unOfZiTM_0

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Dunno how Elvis got in this

I really like Elvis.  He was a real talent.  He had great stuff in the ‘50’s and was very popular. He sold a lot singles and albums. He was in demand.  I believe that’s when he was dubbed “King of Rock and Roll”.  But by the end of the decade he was gone.  He really changed with his mother’s death.  I think the army was a time out.  By the time he came back he wasn’t really King anymore.  He did have a second resurgence in the 60’s, and some beachy movies, but he was fighting against too much by then.  It’s more tragic than anything. Can't really see John Lennon as competative here:
Follow That Dream (Stereo) - Elvis Presley

Al, I think I may become tired of the Eurythmics as well over this week and then someone up votes them and I reconsider. 

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I'm also a sucker for Calendar Girl.
  We were really too young to get the full interpretation (implications) of the lyrics at the time this came out.  I was 7.  Neil ticks off the girls of the year month by month.  We were just happy we knew the months of the year so we could sing along.  It reminds me of California Girls lyrics, calling out girls by compass direction, South, East, North...  Maybe Neil tossed off an offhand remark to Mike about the lyrics? Thanks for the votes.

stkilda4ever, I think this is the first time you’ve voted during one of my weeks. Thanks.

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Your Summer Dream.  Haven't hear this.
  It’s from the Beach Boys album “Surfer Girl” released in spring 1967.  “Surfer Girl”,”In My Room”, and “Little Deuce Coupe” are better known songs from the same LP.
[SurferGirlCover] 
popeye, here is another “dreamy” Roy Orbison:
Roy Orbison - In Dreams

and Larry, kds, appreciations for the OT music videos. 

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Elvis was brilliant when he could be.  Nobody will ever sound like Elvis again.

My votes.

GOLD - John Lennon.  Hands down, hand-stands, the winner.  Beautiful stuff and always leaves me wondering what else he might have achieved.  Not sure what makes this song so eerie and yet appealingly soft.  Of all the people who went too soon, this man leaving us would have to be one of the saddest.  Watching Paul McCartney perform live last year was a big reminder of how much time has passed and all John has missed.

SILVER - Eurythmics.  Despite being overplayed to the point of complete saturation, then doused heavily with chicken feathers, it's still a very good song and worth noting as a classic now. One thing I did do this week was look up the lyrics, being unsure just what the "this" was that sweet dreams are made of.  I'm still none the wiser.  Could it be to do with international travel woes? Runaway lovers? Bondage rituals?? [eek]  And I thought they were a nice band.

BRONZE - TBB.  Only because I can't bear the last song.  This has beautiful harmonies, but it's as cheesy as hell.

TIN - Niel Sedaka.  Oh boy, here come the violins...  And Elvis got a hard time this week?  Don't get me wrong, Neill would have been stiff competition for the likes of David Soul, Englebert Humperdinck and Bertie Higgins any day of the week.

David Bowie "If I'm Dreaming My Life".  (worth pondering)

youtube.com/watch?v=LxOd-TnOS6c


Thanks Deb.






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