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Popeye (not the sailor)

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A timely song from the Monkees.



RIP Peter Tork.
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Larry Franz

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Originally Posted by Darren J. Ray
Larry, is there a possibility that it's the 20/20 version and he's mixed the Hawthorne tag onto the end?

I think so, but yield to Tom's research and expertise. [smile]


The Doors -- "Love Me Two Times"
youtube.com/watch?v=MsP6EKAzEjI

The Beach Boys -- "It's About Time"
youtube.com/watch?v=CvZDBKbUAVs

Neil Young -- "Comes a Time"
youtube.com/watch?v=xsWrmJjD2eY

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Al Forsyth

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Agreeing with correspondent, Tom T and a slight disagree, but we come out equal on this.  Time Won't Let Me was a monster radio hit in the height of AM radio here in the US.  It still holds up today, from Blues Brothers to Paul Schaeffer to whomever.  The Outsiders had their hit and chased it again but never to the same success, depending on where you lived of course.  T Bed would have surely straightened us all out.  I went on my little research bend trying to find things about them all week.  They had to have had some management issues and of course the two main members sued each other for rights to the name .  Sound familiar?  One thing about them is the band changed personnel throughout - so there was no consistency in their sound.  The guitar player who played that wicked little solo on Time Won't Let Me had something beyond tragic happen (he is NOT the guy in the video) and the drummer left for the military right after TWLM and replaced by future James Gang drummer, Jim Fox, and others.  So their sound varied widely but you could tell that they had something solid in their background - Starfires.  

Now if they could have had this out and hitting - they would go past one-hits.  Again, the drumming is too far back in the mix.
The American Breed got the hit. 
And Paul Schaeffer and the Letterman band knew a thing or two as well:

Next time at RARHOF - I AM going to check the Cleveland Rocks exhibit there to see what they have on The Outsiders. 

More Time:


Thelonious had the time.  Lulu starts to really swing - give her a chance if you are listening.



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Tom Tobben

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Al, thanks for providing us with all that additional good Outsiders information, as well as that interesting Paul Shaffer video clip about Sonny Geraci and the impact of his two biggest hit songs. Yes, and good to let everyone know that "Bend Me, Shape Me" was an Outsiders recording before it became a hit for the American Breed.

The history of the Outsiders dates way back to 1958, when band founder and continuous leader, Tom King, formed the local Cleveland-based group, the Starfires. That group had performed regularly in the Cleveland area for a number of years and were a tight R&B-based, mostly instrumental, band, well before becoming the Outsiders. In the mid-60s, they needed a good lead vocalist, so they brought on young Sonny Geraci, an 18-year old Cleveland native also. Not too long after that, they became the Outsiders and had their first major hit, "Time Won't Let Me"., which was co-written by Tom King and his brother-in-law Chet Kelley.

As a bit of Tom King/Starfires trivia, which I think our late blueboard/BOTB colleague t bedford may have mentioned here some years ago, Tom King & The Starfires had a minor local hit with their instrumental "Stronger Than Dirt", which they based on the old Ajax cleanser commercial:


As you mention, Al, there was continual turnover once the band became the Outsiders, but the one constant throughout the 1960s was their founder and leader, Tom King, both long before Sonny Geraci joined the group and after he left to go solo.

And for anyone here who is a true completist, a compilation of early Tom King & The Starfires recordings of mostly instrumentals, before Sonny Geraci became their lead singer, was also released on the Collectables Records label as a CD in 1996, and titled as Roots of The Outsiders. I just checked, and it is still available on Amazon, though at a premium price of about US $21. 

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Now, for anyone not particularly interested in the history or music of the Outsiders, we return you to your regularly scheduled BOTB programming. 

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David W

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My votes :

Gold -- The Beach Boys 


Silver -- The Captain & Tennille

Bronze -- John C. Mellencamp 


Tin --  The Outsiders

Not sure how I missed out on Terry Reid in the 60s



This is my fave so far of his , a tune covered by Jack White ....slow starter but tears it up a minute in :



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Cantina Margarita

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Hi Cindy + all,

here's my ranking.

1. Do That To Me One More Time by The Captain & Tennille
Like Darren, I'm much into their “Love Will Keep Us Together“. I often mentioned Mal Sondock's fabulous radio show here, where LWKUT was almost a standard. As this radio show used to be my life's first serious contact to international pop music, I'm still holding songs from it as the measure of everything. I think you know what I mean.
Do That To Me ... rather is a standard in minor classed casting shows, but always likeable there.

2. Time To Get Alone by The Beach Boys
Another example of what results if you try to put up speed to your Ferrari with fixed brakes. I mean it's not really gone small, but what could have become of this band ...

3. Time Won't Let Me by The Outsiders
The best thing it did to me was force YT into Judith Durham's direction. But furious lead vocal.

4. This Time by John Cougar Mellencamp
... leave this guitar style to Brian May please.

I can't avoid posting Captain + Tennille's greatest hit here. And the original from Neil Sedaka, too. That guy, for sure, is among the American pop geniuses, too.




And I credit much your extensive excursion to local music, inspired by The Outsiders. I'm planning on something similar. Helge Schneider won't appear. I promise.


An interesting week, starting the new season. Thank you Cindy. I NEVER could imagine so many “time“ songs might exist. ;-)
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Larry Franz

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There's time for more.

The Beatles -- "Not a Second Time" and "Any Time At All"
youtube.com/watch?v=Qh0qElLgAVc

youtube.com/watch?v=WuB7F-gRdJo

Cyndi Lauper -- "Time After Time"
youtube.com/watch?v=VdQY7BusJNU

Tom Petty -- "Time To Move On"
youtube.com/watch?v=u5o582N3wOQ

Yup, time to move on. Thanks, Cindy.

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Cantina Margarita

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Our collection about time and space wouldn't be complete without this one.
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bonnie bella

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What an interesting first week to the battle. Always good to see lots of discussion and music.

Larry, thanks for your description. Indeed, it sounds sizzling so maybe my computer is trying to help me resist his powers. But seriously, this guy has seen a few challenges.

"Mellencamp is of German ancestry. He was born with spina bifida, for which he had corrective surgery as an infant. Mellencamp formed his first band, Crepe Soul, at the age of 14[8] and later played in the local bands Trash, Snakepit Banana Barn and the Mason Brothers.

When Mellencamp was 17, he eloped with his pregnant girlfriend Priscilla Esterline. Mellencamp became a father in December 1970, only six months after he graduated from high school. His daughter, Michelle, later became a mother at age 19, making Mellencamp a grandfather at 36."


Cantina, your Sesame Street clip made me realise Lisa hasn't been seen around yet. (It was the pink one on the right, that blue one looks nothing like her.)


Anyway, my votes.

GOLD - The Beach Boys. Whatever, wherever, I am ready to hear this. Is this the best version I've heard? Non, but that is of little relevance. 

SILVER - That steamy 5'6 hirsute American in cowskin. (And I mean John, not Tennille). Some of his earlier stuff, especially I Need A Lover, is really pretty good. Had no idea about the Beach Boys incident. 

BRONZE - The Outsiders. I wonder where t would have placed this? Higher than Bronze. It was close, t.

TIN - Captian and Tennille. This song is great the first time, but going back to it, well, let's just say, you gotta be in the mood. 



A group of ladies I discovered just lately. How did I not know about this lot?



Bachelorette. More weird kiwi music.



Thanks, Cindy.

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I don't usually post many 'theme' songs, but I heard this today and it reminded me of a funny story or, at least, one I thought was funny. 

I went to see my mate Jim playing bass and singing in a covers band on the Gold Coast back in the mid '80s. 

After soundcheck in which they did this song, we went for a walk at the beach.

We saw this blonde girl and Jim tried picking her up, telling her how he was in this band, doing his best to convince her she was in the presence of greatness, and how she should definitely come and see him play that night. Jim thought he was doing well. 

She never turned up. 

Next day, she was on the front page of the Telegraph

She was Wendy Botha, South African world surfing champion. 



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Darren J. Ray

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Thanks to Tom and Larry for your help in trying to identify which version of TtGA this is. 

I also enquired with BB historians AGD and Brad Elliott about this, for no joy. 

I've now listened to all versions I can find. 

As suggested, it seems the YouTube guy has mixed two of the released versions together. 

I suspect it's the Summer Love Songs release (from 2009) and then the Hawthorne tag (from 2001). 

I don't think he's used the 20/20 track. At 2:30, it's just BV's, sans a lead vocal, and a fade. 

The Summer Love Songs keeps going, until 2:51 although it starts to fade at around 2:33. 

I think he's amplified the fade out to 2:51 and then used the tag. 

If that's the case, he's done a great job. It's seamless. 

But, guys, if you think I'm wrong, please let me know. 



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For the second wave of voters, I have:
 
Darren, Tom, David W., Cantina Margarita & Bonnie.  

Al, the video of Bend Me, Shape Me is good, but I remember the American Breed version and loved it.  Still do.


Darren, that is a funny story.  You know how I love funny stories, too!  

Bonnie, Thanks for the info on JCM.  I had no idea that he was born with spina bifida.  He was lucky that he was able to walk after that defect and surgery.  A lot of babies aren't as fortunate.

Popeye, I had Monkee's Headquarters album when I was a kid.  My mom bought it for me as soon as it got to the record stores.  I liked all of their albums immensely, but Headquarters was my fave.  No Time is a good song.  I just heard the other day that Peter Tork has died at 77 years old.  My son told me last night that he saw where Peter Frampton is dying.  It seems all of the musicians we were into all these years are fading into the sunset lately.  

Tom, Thank you for your meticulous and indepth review of the weekly songs and for the videos of other songs.  Your reminiscing of your high school dance days reminded me of mine.  My high school years were 1972 - 1975 and I was very into Chicago, Eric Clapton, Raspberries, Elton John, The Stones and Steely Dan.  We had one band that I remember playing at some of our dances, named Orange Wedge.  They played mostly hard rock.  But, the popular songs played at dances then were Smoke On the Water by Deep Purple, Colour My World by Chicago and Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin.  I like a lot of JCM's music, but our radio station overplays Hurts So Good and Jack & Diane to the point that I want to change the station when they come on.  

Cantina M., The Captain & Tennille had two very memorable hit songs like Love Will Keep Us Together, which was good and then there was Muskrat Love that most people remember and hate.  I had this 'Time' theme going on in my head and DTTMOMT popped in there out of the blue.  Since Daryl Dragon had recently died, for me it was, "SNAP!  That's my 4th song" sort of thing.  

Thanks to all for your votes, critique and sharing of videos and stories.  






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While I'm here, I'll go ahead and cast my votes.

Gold:  The Beach Boys for Time To Get Alone.  I've always loved this one.  Wonderful Carl lead vocal.

Silver:  The Outsiders for Time Won't Let Me.  For me, it's an excellent song from way back.

Bronze:  John Cougar Mellencamp for This Time.  I shared an apartment with a friend of mine back in 1980 - to mid 1982 and my roommate had this album.  Another friend of mine who lived a couple of buildings over from me had a neighbor who looked just like Mrs. Massey, who is pictured in the official video of this song and album cover.  I really liked this track a lot.

Tin:  The Captain & Tennille for Do That To Me One More Time.  It's romantic and sexy with Toni's sultry voice.  Sure doesn't belong here at the bottom, but I like all the songs so ....

Cindy


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Popeye (not the sailor)

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One more timely song from the Kinks before this weeks battle fades into the sunset.

This song has an interesting history. I wonder what t thought about it.


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Popeye, That song is a perfect one to dedicate to tBedford.  I think he'd approve.


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