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Lisa G/TS

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Cindy, you tunes are absolutely revolting! [wink]  (Get it?) 

GOLD -- Barry McGuire, Eve of Destruction -- The most timeless icon of the quartet offered up. Just enough grunt and grit in the vocal.

SILVER -- Bob Marley, Get Up Stand Up -- Less grunt and grit, but still enough OOMPH! to get you going....after you're done groovin'. 

BRONZE -- Billie Holiday, Strange Fruit -- Historically it may deserve higher. Speaking of fruit, it's apples and oranges trying to compare rock and pop classics to its predecessors of other genres. 

TIN -- Beach Boys, Student Demonstration Time -- I agree, Lee. This is the "poopsicle" amongst the creamsicles. 

Well done and strangely appropriate still, Cindy. 
Let's agree to disagree with some civility. [thumb]
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Lee Marshall

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Originally Posted by Lisa G/TS


TIN -- Beach Boys, Student Demonstration Time -- I agree, Lee. This is the "poopsicle" amongst the creamsicles. 


Lisa...I knew, even then, that the lead vocalist was not committed, even in a small way, to the premise  or the ideals of the subject or concepts at hand.  He never walked an inch in those shoes.  It was a put-on not a protest.  The song has NEVER rung true.  Not then.  And most assuredly not now.

He'd have ONLY truly been 'there' if it was a [mock] protest for more 'chicks'.  Mike has generally only swum in the shallow end.  Marley and Holiday?  Those two occupied the deep end.
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Darren J. Ray

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Gold - Eve of Destruction (Barry McGuire - 1965)
Owes a fair bit to Bob Dylan’s ‘Masters of War’. I’ve read this is a Dylan pastiche. Memorable, nonetheless.

Silver - Strange Fruit (Billie Holiday - 1944)
Originally recorded in 1939, although I suspect this is the later recording, reportedly 1944. Haunting. If this doesn’t finish in the top two this week, I’ll be ashamed.

Bronze - Student Demonstration Time (The Beach Boys - 1971)
Doesn’t bother me. Just not something I would not put on high rotation.

Participant - Get Up, Stand Up (The Wailers - 1973) 
Respect but it’s not on my playlist. Boring.

I prefer this Barry McGuire featured song.



No doubt a huge influence on The New Main Street Singers.

Quaint, innit? 

And then The Beatles arrived!

For those unaware, that’s the late Gene Clark, pre-The Byrds, on the far left and the late Larry Ramos, pre-The Association, third from the right.

But my favourite bit is watching the lovely Gayle Caldwell (RIP), who would later write ‘Cycles’ for Frank Sinatra, tuning Barry!

 

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John B

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I think Mike's first verse is fine, about Berkeley free speech and peoples' park and the L.A. county sheriffs.  To echo what Lee said, it's his next verse that is awful, about 'Jackson State brothers who learned not to say nasty things about southern Policemen's mothers'.   and yet he kept going, 'nothing much was said about it and really next to nothing done.'  (he wants to get to a clever Shakespearean line, but man...those several lines before are just horrible.  THEN, he counts everybody together as being 'fed up with useless wars and racial strife' before aping the Beatles 'Revolution' count him out. 

Questions.  Is Mike's use of brothers in this context, racist? 
                  How many people believe that the cited conflict at Jackson State was primarily due to black people who ignorantly used profanity?
                   Then, nothing much was said about it...    Really?
                    We're all fed up with ...racial strife.  Hmm.  Did Mike just compare MLK, Jr.'s followers
                     being fed up, to George Wallace's followers being 'fed up' (with the uppity dark-skinned?)
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kds

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Gold - Barry McGuire - Great song

Silver - Bob Marley - It was tough to pick second place here, but I'm going with Mr. Marley.

Bronze - Beach Boys - I feel that SDT is often unfairly maligned.  It's a great performance.  My main issue is that siren sound effect on the track.  I'm even willing to overlook the updated lyrics, but not that siren.  If not for that, it would be silver.  

Tin - Billie Holiday 
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John B

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...because you know, being 'fed up' with NOT being allowed to own land or to vote or to go to college or to eat at a restaurant or to stay at a hotel or to manage a business and so forth, is not really equal to a white guy being told he has to share...

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John B

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You know...being 'fed up' because an angry police dog is biting you, a high-powered water hose is spraying on you, and your church may have been bombed. 

vs. being 'fed up' because they dodge...
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Lee Marshall

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T'was a song best left UN-recorded ... ... ... for oh-so-many reasons.  Much maligned kds?  Only after stepping in it.

Hell yes John...there is a huge lack of understanding demonstrated with the lyrics and then couple in the  absolute WRONG guy singin' 'em, as they HAD to give him something to do, and the damage had been done.  Bad pick at the very least.

It sure ain't anywhere near the credibility, value, worth or quality of Neil Young's 'Ohio'.
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After further consideration, I'm changing my vote! 

New vote: Billie moves up two spots, after further reflection on SDT's lyrics and "Strange Fruit's" musicality.

Gold -- Barry McGuire

Silver -- Billie Holiday

Bronze -- The Beach Boys

Pewter -- Bob Marley


Two of Bob Dylan's protest songs sung by other people:

Ed Sheeran, "Masters of War"



Manfred Mann, "With God On Our Side"



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Popeye (not the sailor)

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Hi Cindy!

My protest votes:

Gold: Eve of Destruction - Barry McGuire - This song scared the hell out of me when I was a youngster.

Silver: Student Demonstration Time - Beach Boys - It would be great to see Mike perform this one in concert. More bullhorn!

Bronze: Get Up, Stand Up - Bob Marley - As Darren said, boring.

Tin: Strange Fruit - Billie Holliday - Never heard this one before. It never grabbed hold my ears.

Country Joe doing his show and singing about the Vietnam war.


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Phil Ochs - Small Circle of Friends


More Turtles (singing P.F. Sloan's) - Let Me Be


Temptations - Ball of Confusion


Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers






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Grand Funk Railroad did their own protest song against Vietnam called People, Let's Stop the War.



One of Black Sabbath's most enduring songs was an anti war anthem War Pigs




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Country Joe doing his show and singing about the Vietnam war.





Yes I remember this one well. Messed up a bit my enjoyment of the song Muskrat Ramble, popular down here - that tune is the melody of the chorus. Every time I hear MR I think , " well it's one, two, three etc."

Someone had already mentioned one of my favorites, Temptations' Ball of Confusion.
One of the most hard hitting, which affects me even now, is Edwin Starr's War.
The marching beat, "War - what is it good for - absolutely NOTHIN "

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Boney M covered "Rivers of Babylon", a peaceful protest against Jewish exile after the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem. 



I had no idea Boney M was from West Germany!

My dad (a huge Boney M fan) went to theses guys in concert some years back, got all Rastafarian on himself, and let loose a number of energetic Jamaican inspired dance moves.   Apparently this went on - off the beat mind you - for half the show before his energy finally waned.    

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Lee, Pete, tBedford, Genlizzy, LIsa, Darren, Kds and Popeye - your votes are in the book!

Lee, "Poop on a stick"?  As soon as I read that, this character of Jeff Dunham's immediately came to my mind - Jose' Jalapeno - on a stick (pronounced 'steek').  


Pete, I realized about the all B's when I was drafting my score sheet.  Funny coincidence!

Popeye, What we need is more cowbell!  


Country Joe's, Fixin To Die Rag was a consideration in this week's battle, along with Ohio, but there's so many war protest songs that are so darn good!

Larry, I wrote down your change of votes.  Thanks for letting me know.

Lisa, Absolutely revolting!  Right?  And there's scads of protest songs out there!

Genlizzy, Strange Fruit is a very hauntingly poignant song, I do agree.  You can't help but feel her despair.  

Kds, I had a feeling that SDT was going to get a bum rap in this battle, but since one of the entrants had to be BB's related and it fit into the protest genre, it got on.  I don't think the BB's were really into anything really heavy - it's mainly feel good music.  Glad you like it though!

Darren, I was actually listening to Master's of War during my selection process.  There are dozens of anti war protest songs and many are very good.  Tough choices!

TBedford, I was listening to your links you put up.  I had no idea that Ball of Confusion was a protest song.  I hadn't heard it in years.  The other 3 were good also.

Bonnie, Never heard of Boney M., but i did listen to it and they sound very good.  Good story about your dad, too.

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