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t bedford

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The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band - Suppose They Gave a War and Nobody Came?

Buffy Sainte-Marie - Universal Soldier

XTC - Melt the Guns

Kinks - Young Conservatives

Mothers of Invention - Trouble Every Day

Utopia - Swing to the Right

Spirit - Nature's Way

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Verden McCutcheon

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       Season7 Week 26...I Protest !

                1)Billie Holiday......Very powerful lyrics for its time !

                2)Barry McGuire....Best protest song of the 60's and it just sticks in your head all day !

               3)Bob Marley..........Another good one but doesn't quite have the bite it needs !

              4)The Beach Boys....The boy's jumping on the protest bandwagon just doesn't cut it for me !

                                                        Good Week Cindy !
Larry Franz

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The Kingston Trio, "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?", 1961 (I remember wondering what this was about)

Richie Havens, "Handsome Johnny", 1969 (beginning with 25 seconds of Woodstock grooviness)

The Beach Boys, "Fourth of July", 1971

A nice little article about "Fourth of July" (too bad they published too soon to link to the video):

Jackson Browne, "Lives in the Balance", 1986

Tom Tobben

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Time to vote:

Gold -- "Strange Fruit", Billie Holiday. Can't call it out for what it is/was much more directly or powerfully than this, and in such an ironically subdued manner. The moral shame of slavery, destruction of families, treatment of fellow humans as mere property to be used and abused, lynchings, segregation, Jim Crow laws, inconsistent applications of "justice" for minorities, racial profiling, "separate but equal" judicial interpretations, and all overt and more subtle forms of racial discrimination throughout our country's history haunts our nation's moral identity to this day and continues to tear us apart. Similar shame for our country's history of genocide and degradation of Native American races. All this in "the land of the free and the home of the brave". (And it is a downright moral disgrace that one of our country's current presidential candidates overtly plays upon people's fears and prejudices of races/ethnicities or religions who are different than the majority population.)  

Silver -- "Get Up, Stand Up", Bob Marley. A powerful call to action for oppressed people to stand up for their human rights, and Marley's own notion of religions serving as a sort of "opium of the people" to help hold them back in this life by the promise of a better next life.

Bronze -- "Eve of Destruction", Barry McGuire. One of the most powerful and popular social protest songs of the deeply conflicted 1960s -- Cold War with Communism, Vietnam War, Middle East wars/tensions, racial discrimination in the US, ineffective legislators who won't address the real issues, and all the hypocrisy that attempts to cover up our society's own deep flaws.

Tin -- "Student Demonstration Time", Beach Boys. Catchy update of the old Lieber & Stoller tune, "Riot in Cell Block Number 9", originally recorded by the Robins (and reaching #1 on the R&B charts in 1954). With all of the social protest and violence going on in the mid/late 60s and in early 1970, Mike Love apparently felt compelled to update the song with his own topical lyrics. According to Wikipedia, here's what inspired Mike to write the updated lyrics and new title for this old Lieber & Stoller tune:

Stephen W. Desper, engineer of the Beach Boys during this period, explained the genesis and context behind the song: (apparently as Desper described this on the old Smiley Smile website)

If you lived through the 60s, the civil riots, the unrest, the anti-war demonstrations, the crowds of unruly students in the streets, with hundreds of young soldiers dying every day -- every day, and in-depth TV coverage of people being shot at close range coming into our living rooms every night, you might have more understanding of "the why and wherefore" of the song.

Michael was seeing all this going on in Santa Barbara, California, where he lived. It was in his front yard. It was in all our lives. It was a sick time. The country was sick. And much of it was needless. Michael was moved to write a song about war protest. His approach was to offer vocal advice to the listener as to what to do when you may be caught up in one of these civil unrests -- so as not to get killed. Remember, Kent State was still in the news when the lyrics were written.

Unlike the other songs above, Mike doesn't seem to be pleading or advocating for social change regarding our society's important burning issues, but rather to stay away from such protests in order to protect yourself.
John B

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I know, that last line is so true... and ouch-full. 

the difference being for the Beatles to say 'count me out' of revolution when you talk about destruction, well, that was one thing, but Mike's advice to black folks to 'cool it'! implied that their asking for fairness was the cause of the killings, so they should just stop all that... Like Reagan 'remembering when this country did not have a racial problem.' 

I know, neither Mike or the president consciously meant to say that...they couldn't have, they were not entirely terrible human beings, there was good in them both, but boy, what terrible things to say.

and 'from Santa Barbara'... another ouch.  not exactly a hot-bed or ghetto uprising...

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Hi Cindy,

Here are my votes for this week.

Gold - Eve of Destruction - Barry McGuire

Silver - Student Demonstration Time -The Beach Boys

Bronze - Get Up, Stand Up - Bob Marley

Tin - Strange Fruit - Billie Holiday

Graciegirl [smile]
David W

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Busy weekend so hasty votes
Gold : Bob
bonnie bella

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My votes.

GOLD - Bob Marley and the Wailers.  Not a huge reggae fan these days, even though a lot of our music here has obvious reggae roots.  However, this is a favourite of mine from Bob, and therefore it rises to the top.  Packs a powerful punch lyrically.  Saw The Wailers in concert about ten years ago, they were great.

SILVER - Billie.  I had to play this until I was familiar with it, and happy to say that she grew on me fairly quickly.  Another week and she might have bumped Bob off his Golden perch.  Sultry and liquid sweet, she should've sung more about love (or did she?)  She'd knock it out of the ballpark with a tearjerker.

BRONZE - Barry.  Starts out great, and the chorus is catchy, but by the end he's just droning on, and where at first he sounded interesting, by the end I want to offer him a lozenge and a salt water gargle, even suggest he take a break from singing for a bit.  Excellent lyrics, but anyone else think this is getting to be a rather long eve, some 50 years?  (Thanks.  Now I can bury my head in the sand again and pretend there are no wars anywhere.)

TIN - TBB.  Now then, the boys have been responsible for more than one poopsicle over the years, but this is one that I wouldn't want to tread in.  Seems like it's the plain old opposite of demonstrating, too.  Mike sounds about as genuine as a dog sleeping in a butchery, and he's almost talking, which is almost cheating.  Sorry, this one is a real clunker for me.

A great Aussie anti-Vietnam protest song from Cold Chisel, lead by Jimmy Barnes. "Khe Sanh".

Thanks Cindy.


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Al Forsyth

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More protests: 

Maybe Larry or T Bedford got these already, but there was this anarchy to the MC5

Now Graham Nash is an aware kind of guy:

BB's takin' some heat this week but final concert at Fillmore East - faster groove.  You can tell that they haven't performed it that much, and Bruce admits this for SU but at 21:49 (and very little applause for it):

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
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'student demonstration time'
- demonstrably not even of its time,
sinc ehe sentiment comes over as fake.
must own up to ahving quuite liked it on first hearings,
all those years ago, but, it became quickly tiresome.
and remains thus.

bronze: 'get up, stand up'
- ditto, almost.
not quite 'sick and tired of...'
it became a bit of a bore ,
not at all wanting to be elitist
(though it does sound a bit so, don't it?),
but it's reggae andit's 'protest song' 
that anybody could fashionably love...
i actually prefer bunnny wailer's rootsier version
and peter tosh's angrier sounding recording.

silver: 'eve of destruction'
- i wavered throughout the week.
this is bloomin' good.
if it'd been p.f. sloan's * earlier recording
(with wrecking crew members)
it might well have gone for gold
- his later version on 'sailover' is brilliant.

gold: 'strange fruit'
- it's a song that's haunted me since i very first heard it.
it's a recording that paints a terrible picture.
it's a song that is just so powerful.
forget ub40's insipid recording.
go for nina simone's immensely powerful reading of this song.
even better, i think, than billie h.

* went to see surfin' lungs last night
at a small club here in sunny brighton
- they opened their set with a number they recorded very early on,
the phil sloan's / fantastic baggys'tell 'em i'm surfin''
(went with jacqui & brian b, no less,
who came down for the gig
- another chance to meet fellow blueboarders for a knees-up)

thanks for a thoughtful week, sir.
(oops... should edit this to say thanks, ma'am...

Cantina Margarita

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Hi Cindy,

my votes:

1. Billie Holiday for Strange Fruit.
somebody wrote above: too much pain not to be No 1. This song leaves no room for misunderstandings, a horror vision in itself. No stuff for kiddies or kidding.

2. Barry McGuire for Eve of Destruction.
catchy song, sometimes a bit too catchy. We're lost and the situation is hopeless, but it isn't really serious because we have such cool songs. Is this a good way to protest ?

3. Bob Marley for Get Up, Stand Up.
this has been played much too often through the decades, by far too many more or less gifted coverbands, featured by far too many more or less honest wannabe protesters. But It surely has its merits. To say it with Edwyn Collins: too many protest singers, not enough protest songs.

4. The Beach Boys for Student Demonstration Time.
No thanks. A cliché of a protest song, saying "let's try to do it like Mr Lennon". A formula reserved for different artists.

I prefer protest songs that make laughs keep sticking inside your throat, as I say in my language. Here's a great one.

"even the preacher who works for Jesus" [rofl]

The communist east of central Europe, at that time, also had nice protest songs against the political system. Here's an example which couldn't have been performed that way a few weeks earlier. Silly's frontwoman Tamara Danz became a true idol based on that. A pity she passed from cancer only a few years later. But that wasn't something that made her star fade, just the opposite ... a street near Berlin's East Side Gallery, around the large car park of the Mercedes Benz Arena (former O2 World) has her name.

- translate via Google if you like -

a few annotations (lousy translation by Google, omG):
"Sprechfunk" = walkie-talkie (of the police)
"Sie rücken aneinander auf der Spielplatzbank"
= they slide closer together on the playground bench
"In die warmen Länder ..." TO the warm countries
"Der Wohnblock spuckt sie in den kalten Wind" = the appartment block spits THEM into the cold wind
"Ab und zu nur sieht noch Einer frierend hin" = only now and then somebody looks back to there, freezing

Nice and inspiring picks, Cindy. Thanks.

Lisa G/TS

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Heavens to Murgatroyd! What's with my brain? 

When I saw the title of the Cold Chisel song bonnie posted just above, this came to mind (which ain't no protest song, no way no how):

t bedford

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A controversial topic to this very day...
Steppenwolf - Don't Step On the Grass, Sam

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Tom Tobben

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So many excellent songs of social protest this past week...musicians speaking out against the prejudices and failings of our human race, our leaders, and the human-caused ills of our societies.

Before Cindy's week gets away, here are a couple more American protest songs nobody has mentioned that are memorable to me for the content of their message:

First, on his second solo album, The Whole Thing Started with Rock & Roll, Now It's Out of Control from 1974, Doors keyboardist and backing vocalist Ray Manzarek spoke out in the song "Bicentennial Blues (Love It or Leave It)" against the "love it or leave it" mindset of many so-called "patriotic" Americans who failed to acknowledge the numerous ills and hypocrisies in our mid-1970s culture and the justification for social protest, in a period when our country was so polarized after Vietnam, the Nixon years, and the cause of civil rights for all Americans. (Note: that's Flo & Eddie providing backing vocals on the song!):

Back in 1968, Don Fardon had a hit with John D. Loudermilk's "(The Lament of the Cherokee) Indian Reservation", which was an even bigger hit by Paul Revere & The Raiders a few years later. Here's what Loudermilk had to say about what inspired him to write this song about the tragedy of the Cherokee nation at the hands of the white men in the "manifest destiny" mindset of the US in the 1800s, as posted on Wikipedia:

When he was asked by the Viva! NashVegas radio show about the origins of the Raider's hit song "Indian Reservation", he told that he wrote the song after his car was snowed in by a blizzard and being taken in by Cherokee Indians. He claimed that the chief "Bloody Bear Tooth" asked him to make a song about his people's plight and the Trail of Tears. Loudermilk, after being awarded the first medal of the Cherokee nation for this, was asked to read an old ledger book kept during The Trail of Tears. As he read through the names, he discovered his great grandparents, at the age of 91, were marched 1,600 miles (2,600 km) during the plight.

Here's Loudermilk's own recording of this tragic song:

For those who may not be familiar with the massive and deadly "Trail of Tears" forced march relocation of a number of American Indian nations from the southeastern US to areas west of the Mississippi River between 1830-1850, here's a link to the Wikipedia article describing this ugly part of our American history:

Of course, this ugly part of our American history was repeated again and again with other Native American tribes. For example, in "The Long Walk of the Navajos" in 1864-1866, the US government's army, under the assigned field leadership of American "hero" Colonel Christopher "Kit" Carson, starved out and forcibly removed the Navajo nation from northern Arizona and western New Mexico to a barren destination 300 miles to the south in a forced march that took 18 days (an average of 17 miles per day in rugged, arid terrain), and thousands died as a result. The forced relocation was such a tragic and deadly failure that the much smaller Navajo nation was eventually allowed to move back to a part of their original homeland region. Here's more on that sad part of our country's history, for anyone who may be interested:

t bedford

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Another anti-pollution number:
The Osmonds - Crazy Horses

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