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Darren J. Ray

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Kudos for a challenging week, Cindy.

Without further ado, here are my votes…

Gold - Of the Times (Carl Wilson - 1983)
None of these would find a place in my music collection. The fact that it’s Carl makes it more palatable than the others. Didn’t need the instrumental break.

Silver - Guilty (Newsboys - 2015)
Was surprised to learn this band started on the Sunshine Coast, just down the road from me. Worst haircut award to the lead singer, but that drummer wins the prize for earnestness.

Bronze - Let’s Impeach the President (Living With War: “In the Beginning” version) (Neil Young - 2006)
Unoriginal tune (yep, ‘City of New Orleans’), not a Neil Young fan at all, but he’s in there trying. Please tell me he's saying 'with-draw' and not 'flip-flop'. Serious question - Dixie Chicks’ career took a nose-dive for one line at a show about being ashamed of Bush and Neil got away with this? What gives? 

Participant - When You Gonna Learn (Jamiroquai - 1992)
Probably the most meritorious cause of the four, but the sound doesn’t do anything for me. Nothing I’ve heard of Jamiroquai has made me yearn for more. I just don’t do funk.


Larry Franz

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Without this second week devoted to protest, Red Shadow, the Economics Rock and Roll Band, might have remained in the shadows. 

Started by three dudes with PhDs in Economics, Red Shadow kind of sounds like what would happen to Schoolhouse Rock if the commies ever got hold of it. There are catchy little ditties about stagflation and Karl Marx. They change the lyrics to Chuck Berry’s “Johnny B Goode” into a satirical attack on the conservative economists at the University of Chicago and MIT…

They made two albums in the 1970s and then broke up, but their music kind of lives on.

"Anything Good" (co-writer Chuck Berry)

"Gone, Gone, Gone" (co-writer Brian Wilson)

Remember, we have nothing to lose but our chains.

Thanks, Cindy!

paul g adsett

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good stuff, cindy
- made me listen, ponder and ponder some more. 
hope others have done did do too.

tin: 'guilty'
- er, it's a matter of context, innit?
and belief / conjecture isn't necessarily fact.
each 'great religion' can't be all correct...
and comparative studies will include the the doings done
in the name of what (add your own deity) ?
- the wiping out of cultures / jihad / the inquisition / 'year zero' /
jim jones's people's temple etc etc
alongside the message of gettingalongwith and peace
that is the fundamental one, yet the one that tends to get buried
i don't hold by the lyrics
(since they don't address context as to where / when / how to raise the subject).
i don't have a religious faith, dogmatic or flouncy-airy-fairy.
my own morality includes not decrying others' convictions
(whether choosing to wear a crucifix, maoist emblem or jihab
- as long as it's a thought-through choice not imposed)
and would trust that my own views are equally respected,
without any format being declared absolute and proclaimed without requesting.

as a production, it's breathlessly pompous.
but, overall, it's not a bad example of that jarry style of music.
music that i'm quite happy not listening to,
whether it's about dancing kittens or the number of angels on apinhead
(the barry gibb song of the same name, duetting with barbra streisand,
is a better bet). 

bronze: 'when you gonna learn?'
- that jk, eh, a bit of a prannet (aren't pop stars supposed to be?)
but a well meaning prannet, no doubt.
he's made a couple of enduring bits of music,
music, but mostly immediately disposable stuff.
he creeps too too close to stevie wonder too too often.
and this is one that retraces wonder's soaring work more than many,
with more than a little nod to marvin gaye.
yet with lyrics that glide too low to the ground,
missing the spare intensity and pointed passion of those motown artists.
not only that, but how does he reconcile such a declaration as these lyrics
with the conspicuous, petrolheaded mass consumption that he wallows in,
spending the wealth accrued by sales of this stuff?

silver: 'the times'
- ah, we all think we're worse off than the next chap.
it's all a matter of degree and
good on you, carl,
for suggesting most of us are getting screwed by the top dollarites.
who'd've thought anyone would actually sing
'don't dismay 'cos the dollar won't buy you everything y'need'...'?
y'might begin to think you were pretty much privileged anyway
and there was more to life than mere dosh.
though, y'do need to have a say in how your dollars are spent,
so think hard before you vote, however you vote...

production very much part of its time, boxed in, over-reverbed.
formulaic structure to the song, but the guitar break isn't half bad.
and he sings like he means it, unlike some of those m.o.r. bleaters.
i don't like all of the 'youngblood' album,
but i liked this track more and more through the week.

gold: 'let's impeach the president'
- bloomin'canadians, shipping themselves over the border and causing a nuisance...
anyone'd think this chap had more than a streak of american patriotism in him,
not merely an outsider's cynicism.
the only time i saw csny altogether was a show in philadelphia early 2002,
wherein he played several songs from 'are you passionate?',
including 'let's roll' - a powerful sentiment from a different angle. h
how quickly viewpoints change.
i  also saw the dixiechicks play sheperd's bush, london in 2006,
3 short years after all the crap they got thrown at them back home
when they'd played there before.
i bought their t-shirt 'the bush we trust is shepherds bush'
which was neatly trimmed appropriate.

i'm happy to hear neil young bleat out his songs 
in just about any stylee he wants to at any given time,
whether the vocoder age / straightforward country endless feedback...
even during his awkward, unpopular years,
and, quite honestly, i'd prefer he keep it to song, not speeches
(whether reaganomical or hippiedippy).
this is straightforward young 4 to the bar, tub thmping beat,
with the usual nasal whine.
there's an almost subtle nod to 'okie from muskogee' in here,
alongside trad folk idioms, which is a fine touch
(especially since that song can be taken literally or with huge tongue-in-cheekiness). this is stuff he does oh, so well, though here it's not neil at his bestest.

djr - thanks for slipping in the birthday bit earlier.
just saw yourdixiechicks comment
- here they are back at it 3yrs later
at the gig isaw,mentioned above:

paul g adsett

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two ecellent, powerful additions.

another jolly bleater:

and power-hip-hop-pop:
paul g adsett

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and a rather more commonly sung anthem,
given a recent twist:
Cantina Margarita

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Hi Cindy & all,

this Sunday, again, I didn‘t make it to church for singing that particular kind of hymns. But gladly, your week is an invitation to sing and think along something more accurate. Here‘s my ranking:

Neil Young/Let's Impeach the President

If you have something to say, say it straight away, without hiding behind bloomy metaphores and cool soul music. It‘s great to hear the old guy defend his position completely unmasked. But please … not too much of it at a time, see below.




I still need to relisten this several times, but I have the impression it‘s great.



Carl Wilson/Of the Times

Not a great protest son(g), but for sure, a great singer. Best soloist among the pendletone pack by far.



Jamiroquai/When You Gonna Learn

ok, let‘s make a hip video with didgereedoos (spelling ?) that immediately suggest that you mustn‘t exploit nature. Let‘s play a cool Simply-red-style soul song, and let‘s protest against everything we can think of. Cool and nice, but not really authentic to me.


Old Neil Young, oh lord. I was tempted to visit one of his anti-Monsanto concerts last summer, being hold near the place I stayed for holidays. But reading critics not so full of acclaim about his recent work, and listening to the anti-Monsanto album, I decided to prefer another Ostrock concert by Renft which was absolutely awesome. „Wolf Moon“ is a great, really iconic song, but not much aside it.

They say he has lots of ideas, also good ones, but refuses to develop them all the way to a decent production, and to drop it too quickly, in order to write new material. If this is true, it‘s a pity.

In spite of talking about Ostrock again, which is my preferred source of protest songs, I‘d like to highlight a song by Pink here which should be well-known to you. It‘s also about talking to a president, it‘s as authentic as can be, it‘s pessimistic, and sometimes it‘s even hysteric. That‘s the kind of protest songs I like.

I‘ve got not much to add.

bonnie bella

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My votes.

GOLD - Jamiroquai. I wanted to like this song more, but it sounds so 1993!  As soon as the birds covered in oil showed up I had to stop watching.  While I don't like it's dated sound all that much, the message is so important and the beat is good, so I give it a reluctant gold.  If there are any more images of suffering animals in that clip, I'd rather not know.

SILVER - Carl Wilson.  Sadly, even though I ranked his high, I just don't like it.  Somebody said it sounds "boxy", which I get.  Carl is singing pretty good out of the box, though.  Perhaps the best thing about it was the little guitar break.  The lyrics are both thought provoking and as vague as a chicken lost in Prarie Plains.   

BRONZE - Newsboy.  Wow, what an all-round good looking class!  I've never seen so many spot free, uniformly slim and clear-eyed teenagers in one room.  Super slick production and nice vocals.  I hope everything got sorted and the nice looking kids stopped rioting, but something in the movie title tells me something of this nature has happened before.  

TIN - Neil Young.  From over produced to barely knocked together.  Sounds like the morning after a whiskey bender.  "Let's impeach the president for lying".  Umm, okay, but you'll go through them faster than Australia has been known to do with their prime ministers. [wink]  I actually heard more about Australia than anything else in this song, after all, he started talking about flip flops too.  Down this way, "impeach" is probably more likely to refer to fruit consumption.

Begrudgingly hope you had a lovely birthday, pauly g. [smile]

Protesting the Springbok tour to NZ in 1981, when we vigorously opposed apartheid in South Africa.  We decided we didn't want to play rugby with racists, and things got a little bit messy.  

We even pulled out our most powerful weapons.  Flour bombs and flyers.  Take that, bad world!  [cool]


Clowns divorce: custardy battle.     Simon Munnery

Tom Tobben

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Social protest -- so important for dissenters of the status quo to be able to speak their minds, both artistically or in any form, in a participative democracy. As we know from back in the 60s and 70s, powerful social protest music can help shape or inspire major movements, which are often needed to help change the course of the powerful forces of the status quo.

My votes this week:

Gold -- "Let's Impeach the President", Neil Young. Though the music in this song is only so-so, Young's entire album from which this song comes, 2006's Living with War, was a powerful indictment of the Bush administration's spurious war in Iraq and its "trumped"-up rationales, with its "shock and awe", neocon philosophies, etc. Back then, I had the good fortune and viscerally impactful experience to see Neil Young on tour with CSNY promoting this album, and performing a bunch of excellent CSN/Y, Crosby/Nash, Steve Stills, and Neil Young songs of social protest from their earliest days to that present time in 2006. The concert was powerful, the group was emotionally and musically engaged, the crowd was fired up, and the messages were clear. Among the most prominent visuals at this concert was a video banner tallying the growing numbers of American casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan during the George W. Bush years. Though Neil Young certainly didn't create the massive opposition to the Bush wars, this album certainly helped to reinforce the opposition to these wars and the subsequent major wind-down of those wars under the next president.
I have to agree with some other comments above. Neil has put out tons of albums and songs, some of which really hit the mark, and others which simply end up as filler in his long and massive recording career.   

Silver -- "Of the Times", Carl Wilson. Certainly not as impactful as my gold choice, but decent enough. And with Carl's lovely singing, it is certainly pleasant enough, though I don't detect the same degree of emotional fire as Neil's song above.  

Bronze -- "When You Gonna Learn", Jamiroquai. This song was new to me, but it's certainly decent enough and addresses an important topic. Only negative to me is that his song and vocals sounded an awful lot like Stevie Wonder which, I suppose, is both imitative and a compliment to the legendary Stevie!

Tin -- " Guilty", the Newsboys. Was also new to me, but also the least impressive, in part, perhaps, because of the particular message. I see nothing wrong in our pluralist society with mentioning or discussing major historic religious figures in public schools, as long as it's not limited to a particular religious figure or religion, and does not preach or indoctrinate students for or against specific religions or lack of religious beliefs. That is the responsibility of the churches and religions themselves, and not of our public education systems in pluralist societies around the world. Thus, it would presumably be equally OK to discuss Moses and Abraham, Siddhartha Gautama, Jesus Christ, Mohammed, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Joseph Smith, and numerous others, including important non-believers, in the context of their historical impact and the major religious and philosophical movements they founded which eventually had a significant historical and social impact on the societies where they became prevalent. It would also be appropriate to point out from a historical perspective the massive oppression, wars, discrimination, persecution, and mass executions that have occurred throughout history in the name of their Gods and religions.

Lots of other social protest songs have already been mentioned, so I'll just include a few impactful newer songs from this century:

First, "When the President Talks to God", from Conor Oberst and Bright Eyes:

And from Radiohead's Kid A album, "Idioteque":

Finally, this powerful song from Bruce Springsteen, "American Skin (41 Shots)", about the sometimes premature or excessive use of police force in questionable circumstances:

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Has anybody gotten to this one?
Subterranean Homesick Blues - Bob Dylan

Here's another version of "Shipbuilding" this one by Robert Wyatt

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   Gold – Of The Times by Carl Wilson. 
   Silver – Let's Impeach the President by Neil Young.
   Bronze – When You Gonna Learn by Jamiroquai.
   Tin – Guilty by the Newsboys.
A quintessential protest song:

A protest song protest:

Happy birthday, paul.  No dissent there. "Younger than that now..."

I try hard to be strong
But sometimes I fail myself
And after all I've promised you
So faithfully
You still believe in me
I wanna cry . . .”

John E

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Here's my order if it's not too late:

1. Neil Young

2. Carl Wilson

3. Newsboys

4. J...what'shisname

Here's a song (2016) that I posted in the last Protest BOTB, but it's worth posting again, at the present time:


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GOLD  Beach Boys
SILVER Jamiro-boy
BRONZE Young Boy
TIN Newsboys

Cindy Hood

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Here are the preliminary scores for week 35, I Protest - Take 2:

GOLD:  Carl Wilson/Of the Times.
Gold - 7;  Silver - 9;  Bronze - 3;  Tin/Pewter - 0 = 61 pts.

SILVER:  Neil Young/Let's Impeach the President.
Gold - 6;  Silver - 6;  Bronze - 2:  Tin/Pewter - 5 = 51 pts.

BRONZE:  Jamiroquai/ When You Gonna Learn.
Gold - 4;  Silver - 1;  Bronze - 9;  Tin/Pewter - 5 = 42 pts.

TIN/PEWTER:  Newsboys/Guilty.
Gold - 2;  Silver - 3;  Bronze - 5;  Tin/Pewter - 9 = 36 pts.

19 voters = 190 overall pts.

Thanks to all who voted in this week's battle and a congratulations to Carl Wilson for taking the gold!

Now, on to Larry's week 36!


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Larry Franz

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Originally Posted by Cindy Hood
Now, on to Darren's week 36!

Cindy -- the rumor that Darren and I are the same person is relatively untrue. [smile]
Darren J. Ray

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I second that! [biggrin]

And, Cindy, you have mail. [wink]
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