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Al Forsyth

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How Deep Is Your Ocean?  Let’s get deeper!  Okay, it’s not THAT song but we all know what it is to get into some “depth” in the song, the music, the lyric, whatever it may be.  We KNOW it when we hear it.  So it isn’t a silly love song week by any stretch and may get as heavy-Chevy as you would like.  Brian Wilson really was someone who spearheaded this with the Pet Sounds album.  Out of the shallow end and into the deep end (that line from the film was sooooo appropriate).  The Beatles were going this way – the mop top years would be over.  Bob Dylan was certainly getting his Bob on and getting heavy with his lyrics and approach.  Mick and Keith were moving out of R and B and blues and one could feel the weight of the music changing before our ears.  But what about now? Is it happening?  It may not appear to be, but it is. So let’s see with a range of artists. 

 

Do you stress at all?
Twenty One Pilots – Stressed Out


This is a newer duo, but they have been around for a while. 

Here I am – send me.
Leonard Cohen - You Want It Darker


Leonard recently passed, but I heard the song on release of the final album. 


When you lose someone – how does one express?
Brian Wilson – Lay Down Burden


I consider this “new Brian” even though in a chronological sense, it isn’t. 


Does your heart bleed?
Regina Spektor – Bleeding Heart


The ladies can go deep as well as any guy.  I think that Joni started all of this.

C & P:
Twenty One Pilots – Stressed Out
Leonard Cohen - You Want It Darker
Brian Wilson – Lay Down Burden
Regina Spektor – Bleeding Heart

Go deep everyone!


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Gold - Brian Wilson by a country mile 

Silver - L Cohen (RIP) 

Bronze - R Spektor 

Tin - 21 Pilots - These guys have become extremely popular in 2016, and I just don't get why.  
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While last week was 'WAY difficult' for me to call...still not sure that my top 3 was in the right order...they were all gold.  This week?  It's entirely easier to decide.

Leonard Cohen - You Want It Darker  The Gold Standard is contained here-in.  I am not a rap fan.  Never-ever have been.  [Not for more than maybe one or two exceptions from MC Hammer...] but if rappers had this kind of compositional and narrative ability and talent that might have changed things some.  Easy to see that Leonard knew what was waiting for him just around the bend.  This is dramatic, moving, thought-provoking and beautiful.  It is also entirely saddening.  We've lost a great one...an olden one...a golden one.  I, for one, 'got' it.

Brian Wilson – Lay Down Burden   A TWOderful [To call it ONEderful just sells it TWO short] Brian song ... both in feel, and in overall performance.  Lay Down Burdon reminds me that I am guilty of sometimes taking Brian's solo material for granted.  Compared to most?  He stands alone.  His most ardent competition comes from?  Brian Wilson.  Generally this song likely would have been the gold standard of the week.  This time around it got edged out by a darker nostril hair

Regina Spektor – Bleeding Heart  This barely bronze 'attempt' doesn't strike me as being anywhere near heartfelt.  It, rather, sounds like she's having a 'go' at maybe doing something meaningful and serious for the sake of doing something that smacks of being meaningful and serious because the young lady understands that OH SO many of her contemporaries are barely capable of wading in even the shallow end.  This also shows just how destructive music videos tend to be.  Stupid and juvenile it detracts from her attempt at being more 'mature'.  Knee deep at best.

Twenty One Pilots – Stressed Out  Worm housing tin.  I've recently seen these guys bring something better to the table than this on one of the late-night TV shows.  I've also heard them, more recently, release something about as 1/2-assed as this so while the potential is there for better they seem content to NOT reach for the stars but rather for another cookie.  I don't know whose actually flying this plane but it's crashing.


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Quickly, I'll make my selections now.

GOLD:  Lay Down Burden/Brian Wilson.  In any category, it doesn't get much better than this one.  It's a beautiful song - melody, instrumentally and lyrically.  A great song to listen to as the sun is setting.

I cannot come to a decision on the other 3, so just split the rest.

My final answer.

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My votes based mostly on music, not lyrics (I just don't do lyrics very well).

GOLD to Brian Wilson by 100 country miles.

SILVER to Leonard Cohen

BRONZE to 21 Pilots - who's flying this thing...?

A well deserved TIN for Regina Spektor.



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Al Forsyth

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And Brian is out to an early lead in the deep of the open water/deep water swim.  Of course I was considering:


Leonard again:

Twenty One Pilots:

Regina:


Keep the votes coming! [wave][wave][wave]


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Hi Al, a deep, deep week, huh?  Well well well.  (And they're all deep too.)

Let's see...

Stressed - Mi Sex, "Computer Games".



Dark - Mi Sex again, "Blue Day".



Grief - Blindspott, "Phlex"



Bleeding - Fly My Pretties, "Apple Heart".




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I'm going to guess that this week has something to do with religion ...or at least spiritual philosophy?  You have Regina Spektor's obvious catholocism to  Leonard Cohen's...is it Buddhism meets Judaism.  and you got the Pilots worship of American suburbs and juice pouches...  

anyway, Brian comes out best: 1. Gold, Lay Down Burden, best song, best singer, best video. 

which is to say, I hate videos. 

2.  The Pilots are charming to me.  Kds and Lee, you guys always hatin' for no reason.  They're charming!  Very catchy, you gotta at least admit that.  Surprised even fellow Ohioan Bedford dissed them.  good song!  "Stressed Out."   maybe not as good as that theme song to 'Suicide Squad' but still good.  Fun song, you guys.

3.  Regina Spektor, 'Bleeding Heart'

you know, I like this song too.  Again, catchy, I hear talent there.  don't like the video...what is it, an ad. for braces?   I have been to piano recitals like that...my kids hate them.  Mother's fault. 

4.  Leonard Cohen, 'You Want it Darker'.

When he does spoken word, it just reminds me how much I like Lou Reed better.  Not bad, though, just 4th place here in my opinion.  Sometimes I have wondered if Leonard Cohen's voice could still make musical sounds.  I mean, if he tried.  Here he does not try, and a lot of rap songs 1/2 sing.  Spoken word is fine, and I know he's ruminating about his pending death.  I prefer Tupac having visions of his enemies killing me in my sleep, and so forth.

I enjoyed this week, though. 

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Al Forsyth

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Depth - in spirit, in song, in stress - in whatever.  Religion is depth.  Juice boxes?  Maybe.

Thanks for the five sets of votes thus far from Lee, kds, Cindy, T, and John B - always interesting to read the commentary.  Bonnie, the songs from the down-under are wonderful.  Thus why Brian Wilson dot com is a world-wide community! 

Keep on listening "deeper" and find yours. 

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Here's my order:

1. Leonard Cohen
2. Brian Wilson
3. Regina Spektor
4.21 Pilots

Here's one of my favourite "deeper songs", which is more in a Leonard Cohen vein:

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John,

Sure, 21 Pilots are catchy.  Catchy is a word that's often used to describe modern pop.  But catchy does not equal good.  An advertising jingle is catchy.  

To each their own.  

What I find really baffling about that is that they get played on local rock stations.  Aren't they a rap / pop duo? 


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But don't you admit that 21 Pilots are better than Stone Temple Pilots, kds?

but I am not deaf to your point about 'catchy' jingles being pop but sometimes lacking substance.  At their worst, that is 'Green Day' to a T.  I wonder, were it not for the 'American Idiot' album...would anyone find them higher than catchy but inconsequential?  I say that, and I LIKE them.
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But don't you admit that 21 Pilots are better than Stone Temple Pilots, kds?

but I am not deaf to your point about 'catchy' jingles being pop but sometimes lacking substance.  At their worst, that is 'Green Day' to a T.  I wonder, were it not for the 'American Idiot' album...would anyone find them higher than catchy but inconsequential?  I say that, and I LIKE them.


I'll respectfully disagree about your first one.  I'm not a huge STP fan, but I liked a few of their songs.  I can't say I've heard one thing from 21 Pilots that I like.  
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Lucky we don't all have the same musical taste.  We, as the entire human race, might have got stuck on the likes of Billy Ray Cyrus and Milli Vanilli (and David Soul).  [smile]

John E, cool song, thanks for posting.

These lyrics are pretty deep.  Carls own "Long Promised Road".




Princess Chelsea "We're So Lost".  I think this is beautiful, touching, and deep, but that's just my opinion. 






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Interesting week Al, 

Gold - Mr Cohen - Like Prince and Bowie this year, he left us with a strong final album

Silver - Brian

Bronze - Regina

Tin - 21 Pilots

I'm not sure if something like this is what you had in mind Al, but to me, this is deep and beautiful too

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