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Darren J. Ray

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I had a wild idea to put the Boys up against 'The Crooners' in this battle (Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis, Jr.). I found a great song by the Boys that sounds very Sinatra-ish and, in fact, Ol' Blue Eyes is mentioned in the lyrics. So, I've selected a song from each of the Rat Pack that was a popular song for them.


1. ‘It's Over Now’ by The Beach Boys. Carl sings lead vocal on this little beauty of a song. I originally heard it on my 1993 release Good Vibrations: Thirty Years of the Beach Boys. The pitch of Carl's vocal was dialed down a few notches, making his voice sound much deeper. It was slated to appear on the Adult Child album.



2. ‘Strangers in the Night’ by Frank Sinatra. This signature song of Frank's was released in May of 1966 and was a #1 record for him.


3. ‘Everybody Loves Somebody’ by Dean Martin. This song was released in June of 1964. Dean didn't like rock 'n roll and had told his son, Dean Paul that he was going to "knock his pallies off the charts". He was right on the money when this song knocked the Beatles' ‘A Hard Day's Night’ out of the #1 slot in August of that year. As you may already know, this song became Dean's signature song, replacing ‘That's Amore’ and was his theme on his TV show.


4. ‘I've Gotta Be Me’ by Sammy Davis, Jr. Released in 1968 and this one also became a chart topper. In 1972, he landed the hit #1 single, ‘Candy Man’.  
 


For copy/paste convenience:

It's Over Now/The Beach Boys
Strangers in the Night/Frank Sinatra
Everybody Loves Somebody/Dean Martin
I’ve Gotta Be Me/Sammy Davis, Jr.


Hope you enjoy all of them. These ought to put you in a mellow mood or put you to sleep, I guess.  

Cindy
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Lee Marshall

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I'm just about ready for bed...Just Watched the Roy Orbison Black and White 30 presentation on PBS Boston.  OUTSTANDING show.  So now I'll wind down with these 'bad boys' and call it a night... ... ...

Everybody Loves Somebody/Dean Martin...One of the greatest of the 'crooners'.  Way more talent than he was ever really afforded credit for.  Jerry Lewis got too big a share of their collective accolades.  Frank stole most of the 'rat pack' spotlight away while Deano chose, rather, to take care of his health.  I bought this record when it was a brand new hit.  Loved it.  GOLD!!!

I’ve Gotta Be Me/Sammy Davis, Jr.  Back in my early days I used to work at smaller market stations where we would play these songs.  Sammy was pretty darned good.  Used to be on 'Ed' a lot too.  The guy could dance, sing, play.  A well rounded talent from back when he was just a little fella.  He was himself.  And that was ... pretty much GREAT!!!  Silver.

It's Over Now/The Beach Boys  Not bad.  Yet not all that good.  I don't like the piddling around with Carl's voice.  The song could have been awesome...almost good enough for 2nd this week...'cept for effin' with a true formula...Carl Wilson's vocal 'stylings'.  Bronze...and only bronze.  Don't mess around with Carl's voice.  I mean really.

Strangers in the Night/Frank Sinatra  As a little fella I could 'feel' an essence in people.  While I 'got', really liked, and appreciated Dean...I also sensed that this guy was a jerk.  He drank and smoked his voice into being but a shadow of its former stature.  And he rode his 'rep' for FAR beyond its actual shelf life.  OLD 'blue eyes' inDEED.  tin...at best.  BOO!!!!

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Gold - Strangers in the Night - Sinatra

Silver - Sammy Davis Jr

Bronze - Deano 

Tin - BB / BW 
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Darren J. Ray

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Okay, this is interesting, at least to me.


Re: 'It's Over Now'...

I’m reading that the slowed down mix of the vocal on the Good Vibrations box set was, in fact, a 'mastering error'....

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beach-boys-its-over-now-vocal-question.642726/

Yet Marilyn’s vocal is intact. (EDIT: The whole track is down a semi-tone.)

Does anyone here own the Made in California box set and can verify the following? 

Apparently, the correct ‘alternate mix’ version of ‘It’s Over Now’ is on it, as stated by Rick Bartlett on the above thread link. (It's safe to assume this is the same Rick Bartlett, a guy from Victoria, Australia, who was a regular here back in the early 2000s.) That version doesn’t appear to be on YouTube, more the pity because we could have used it, and it might have got a better run. (When Cindy and I were putting these clips together, I don't believe we knew about this release. At least I didn't.) 

There is a speeded up version that a guy has done himself and posted on YouTube. We didn't use this version this week as, as it is, it's not official product. 

And listen to the ‘shades of blue and purple haunt me’ lines.

That's definitely Brian singing.

 

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Lee Marshall

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Much better.  Still bronze though.
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Larry Franz

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Cindy -- Interesting idea for this week. 

Gold -- The Beach Boys -- The other three songs are too familiar for me to judge them fairly. Although I liked two of them a lot when they came out, I wouldn't mind never hearing any of them again. So Brian's song kind of wins by default. It's not a great song, but I like listening to it more than the others at this point. I think Carl's voice is higher on the Made In California version. Maybe I'll upload it to YouTube later. It's available on Spotify now.

Silver -- Dean Martin -- The chorus sounds too old-fashioned now. I remember hearing this on the radio one night when it was a big hit. I was probably 13. We were at a little ice cream parlor on Disneyland's Main Street and on our way home. I'm pretty sure I had a banana split.

Bronze -- Frank Sinatra -- I heard an interview this weekend with James Kaplan, who spent 10 years writing Sinatra's biography. It came out in two volumes: Frank: The Voice and Sinatra: The Chairman. His verdict was that Sinatra was a genius singer who also worked very hard to get the right sound (he did voice exercises, etc.). But he was not a good person.

Tin: -- Sammy Davis, Jr. -- I've got nothing against his singing but I can't take the lyrics. It would be hard for someone to sing this song today without being funny.

[i-gotta-be-me] 

The three non-Brian songs this week came out in the 60s. Popular songs from the 50s made more of an impression on me. I posted these four by Johnny Mathis during bonnie's First Faves week in November. They're all from  1957.

"It's Not For Me To Say"
youtube.com/watch?v=YZ84XJzxQWg

"The Twelfth of Never" 
youtube.com/watch?v=nNNRGa3pKyw

"Chances Are"
youtube.com/watch?v=NEH3uqbpsm8

"Wonderful, Wonderful"
youtube.com/watch?v=N7wr2FBxcyI


PS: Some of these Johnny Mathis songs sound more contemporary than Frank and Dean. Maybe because the production is simpler on some of the Mathis songs. 
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I think it's free to sign up for Spotify and download the application to your computer. You'll get advertisements unless you give them money, but you can play all the music.

This is a link to the Made In California version of "It's Over Now" that Darren mentioned.

https://open.spotify.com/track/568H6Ob9ulGP8y32I7otaK?si=lRG6MPRbQvyyWOvhit9aog

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Darren J. Ray

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Larry, I hit the link and am currently listening to 'Surfin'', but 'It's Over Now' isn't highlighted (it's grey) and I can't cue it. 
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When I clicked on the link, all 174 tracks had white letters. Nothing was gray and I could apparently play any track. Plus at the bottom of the screen, "It's Over Now" was queued up and ready to play. I have no idea why it's not working for you, unless it's because you're in a different country. But you would think all the tracks would work or none would.

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Hi Cindy.  Interesting week.

Not a fan of Sinatra?  What can you do with a brat like that?  The Ramones have an idea.


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to me, a two song contest: Frank v. Brian (with Carl). 

Just don't understand that...generational anti-Frank thing, that you hear from so many, including Tony Bordain, Lee, and Larry here.  I know, I can appreciate some nostalgia about Dean, as well as the Larry story, there is this great old-time amusement park in Gilroy, California, where next to their best roller coaster, they have an ice cream parlor that plays lots of Dean Martin songs.  Still, and it's very cool.  but, come on.   Dean was never as good as Frank.  I know he was great too, including as an actor, but in comparison to Frank, he sang light cornball songs.   Can you imagine Dean singing 'The House that I Live in' or 'Put Your Dreams Away' or 'in the Wee Small Hours of the Morning'?   I can't.  did Dean have soul like that?  It's a mystery, according to what I read.   You know, I can hear Johnnie Ray sing those songs before I could Dean=Johnny Ray was also better than Dean.

who in the world was ever as great as Sinatra?  to me, only Elvis and Brian.

to the contest.

1)  'Strangers in the Night' by Frank Sinatra

   the selfish hippies did not know the meaning of coexist.  Very strict rules about whom could join their communes and coopts and so forth.   But I am younger than them, and do not have to follow such rules.  This one of the four rocks the most, you guys realize?   Sure, I prefer 'Something Stupid', but this one is great too.  I can sure hear more Frank in Brian's songs than I do Dean.  a LOT more.  Take that song 'Thank You'.  I think Brian was starting with four notes from 'Something Stupid'...then added all of those amazing harmonics.  and how about 'The Little Girl I Once Knew'.  Do those full stops recall Frank's "Let's Fall In Love"?   I think they do...

2) 'It's Over Now' by Brian and Carl.

I like all the versions, but you know what?   It's really worth it if you get the chance to play the Brian demo version in the context of next to the other demos he made near that time.  There is this after the fact Bootleg collection called 'Brian Loves You'.  It's on YOUTUBE.  Dig those original/ bang bang piano chords.  This would have been one of the 3 or 4 major songs on 'Adult Child' had it come out anything close to how great it could have been.  Still, I love it, although true, I prefer 'Still I Dream of It'.

3). 'Everybody Loves Somebody.'  by Dean

okay, but kind of cornball.  I remember his show, where they stand around and read the prompter like SNL does now.  wonder who cleaned the carpeting from all of those spilled martinis (and cigarette ashes)?  

4).  'It's got to be Me'  by Sammy.

Even cornier.  I mean, really, who else could it be?
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Gold:  Strangers in the Night/Frank Sinatra.  Superb. Nice backing from Wrecking Crew with Glen Campbell on guitar. 
Silver: Everybody Loves Somebody/Dean Martin.  Funny to think that Sinatra recorded this prior to Dino but with little success. Surely Martin's signature song.  Or maybe That's Amore?
Bronze: I’ve Gotta Be Me/Sammy Davis, Jr. I think he described himself as a "one eyed Jewish Negro". Only he could describe himself that way and get away with it.
Tin: It's Over Now/The Beach Boys. Sorry guys ... glad when it was over.




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Just don't understand that...generational anti-Frank thing, that you hear from so many, including Tony Bordain, Lee, and Larry here. 

1)  'Strangers in the Night' by Frank Sinatra

   the selfish hippies did not know the meaning of coexist.  Very strict rules about whom could join their communes and coopts and so forth.   But I am younger than them, and do not have to follow such rules. 


More overly simplistic, and annoying 'twaddle' from the guy who seemingly gets many of his ideas from the john.

Frank's 'That's Life' is one of my all time favourite songs.  AND the young Frank was generally terrific sounding.  Excellent voice.  The fact that he was an ass as a human being does 0 to change his great recordings.  The fact that he lived as an ass did impact his later recordings...physically.   And 'if' it truly was, as you suggest, generational...then his fellow rat-packers Sammy and Dean would be held in less esteem by virtue of their age.  The fact that you have no idea who their collective audience was makes no difference.  Ignorance is no excuse.  The fact that some of us were actually tuned in when some of 'this' was playing out in real time doesn't render your silly opinion invalid.  The fact that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about does.
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Well, not everyone agrees with me, I guess is safe to say...
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Just don't understand that...generational anti-Frank thing, that you hear from so many, including Tony Bordain, Lee, and Larry here.  

It's not worth a lot of discussion, but:

I have no generational thing against Sinatra or anyone else in my parents' generation. I love some of his music, some of which I've posted here. I don't think I've ever expressed any anti-Sinatra opinions, aside from noting that people say he wasn't a nice guy. I liked Dean Martin's TV show, but don't prefer Dean Martin as a singer. I never owned love beads. Most Baby Boomers, including the people who picked music for radio stations, were never hippies, although you would get the impression they were from almost every look back at "The Sixties".

Anyway, aren't we voting for a particular recording, not who made the recording? If you can believe what's been written, Sinatra himself disliked "Strangers in the Night". That's putting it mildly according to this biography (you have to click on the text to see more of the page):

https://books.google.com/books?id=-dAKzGzfeOgC&q=%22Irving+Weiss%22#v=snippet&q=%22Irving%20Weiss%22&f=false


Frank Sinatra - "I've Got You Under My Skin" and "In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning"
youtube.com/watch?v=_XCVnV5CGh0

youtube.com/watch?v=MiPUv4kXzvw

Dean Martin - "Memories Are Made of This"
youtube.com/watch?v=mv9PSkNkUfs

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