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Darren J. Ray

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What? No Peter Lawford or Joey Bishop songs?

Gold - Everybody Loves Somebody (Dean Martin - 1964)
This song has a nice prelude that neither this nor the earlier recordings, coincidentally recorded twice by Frank Sinatra (in 1947 and again in 1957), have. I know because I have the sheet music and I used to sing it with my singing teacher. Yeah, I love it. I’m a Dino fan. I have several of his albums, including this one. My favourite track of his is the little known ‘Try Again’. On his TV show once, someone asked Dean what he would do if he woke up the next day in the White House. He replied, “I’d say, ‘Excuse me, Lady Bird. I need to get home to Jeannie’”. I still own the newspaper stand headline sheet following his passing at Xmas, 1995, declaring: Death of a Star.





Silver - Strangers in the Night (Frank Sinatra - 1966)
I reckon Bert’s Kaempfert’s bank manager would’ve loved him in 1966. Not only was this a #1 hit, but ‘Spanish Eyes’, as recorded by Al Martino and also written by Kaempfert, was a big hit as well. It’s a great record. I own both the album (on cassette) and the Reprise single on 45 (with the giant hole in the middle). I saw Frank live in concert twice; in 1988 and ’91. He sure didn’t sing this either time.

Bronze - I've Gotta Be Me (Sammy Davis Jr. - 1968)
I’ve heard this way less than the other two but was still aware and respectful of it. I’ve been racking my brain trying to pick the other record that has an identical ending as this. I thought it may have been Sinatra’s ‘Let Me Try Again’ or Glen Campbell’s ‘It’s Only Make Believe’ but no cigar. Any ideas? Sammy could do it all. It was a sad day when he died (and people may recall it was the same day as the great Jim Henson).

Participant - It's Over Now (The Beach Boys - circa 1977/1993)
This song must be cursed. It’s a lovely melody, a lyric that is just going, with a tender string arrangement by Dick Reynolds. Inexplicably, it didn’t get a release in the ‘70s. Then, when it saw the light of day in 1993 on Good Vibrations: Thirty Years of The Beach Boys, we got this version. The track has been slowed down; apparently, a mastering error. Mark Linett – really??? As it stands here, I can’t rate it above three classics because, whilst Brian and Marilyn (WHY?) sound acceptable, Carl sounds drunk. (I’d love a YouTube clip of the subsequently rectified Made in California version of it. We sure could have used it at the start of the week.) I’ve read it was written for and sent to Frank Sinatra, but that Brian never got a reply. It’s a better song than the one Paul McCartney wrote for Frank, called ‘Suicide’. And did George Harrison really expect Sinatra to sing ‘Far East Man’ at Caesars Palace or was that a lame joke? 

Great battle, Cindy.

And thank you for choosing only the members of the Rat Pack who could sing.

(Someone’s comment: This video made me quit drinking.)

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Larry Franz

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Larry, I hit the link and am currently listening to 'Surfin'', but 'It's Over Now' isn't highlighted (it's grey) and I can't cue it. 

I created a new Spotify account on my phone and confirmed my email address (for anyone who's interested, it's easy to do).

Then I did a Search for "Made in California". When it came up, I could see every track and was able to play "It's Over Now".

Then I tried using the link I posted earlier. It was strange. I saw "It's Over Now" but couldn't seem to play it. When I did a Search for "Made in California", only some of the tracks appeared. "It's Over Now" wasn't one of them, so I couldn't select it. 

So it looks like going by way of the link gives you limited access for some reason. Maybe you can play "It's Over Now" if you simply bring up Spotify and do a Search for "Made in California".

Trying to use computer technology can be a ... , well, something not nice.


"Walkin' My Baby Back Home"

Johnnie Ray
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Nat King Cole
youtube.com/watch?v=Ib6ak2Dmq_4

Dean Martin
youtube.com/watch?v=YR7bwU3jxTk

Sammy Davis, Jr.
youtube.com/watch?v=QxHHKaize7U

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Oooooooooo
Frank, you inspired others:
youtube.com/watch?v=W3ksf3Oe8cU
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/16/do-be-do/

MORE on the Candy Man:
youtube.com/watch?v=TeU2qiT-BZY

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Thanks to DJR for posting this for me!

So far, I have the following votes in:  Lee, Kds, Larry, John B., Stkilda4ever and Darren.  

I haven't delved into the history of each of the members of the Rat Pack too much, but there are some things that I remember reading on some of them.  Lumping all the 'Crooners' in with the Rat Pack, several of them seemed to be pretty despicable.  There was some innuendo of ties with the mob (Sinatra with Giancana), domestic abuse, alcohol abuse, marital infidelity, divorces  and probably other things, too.  

My parents would watch Dean Martin's show long ago, but I didn't find it interesting.  I did like his celebrity roasts though.  They say that Dean would appear with his drink and his cigarette in hand and smoked and drank all the way through the shows, but actually was not drunk.  Hmmm.. as far as voices go, I did prefer Dean's overall.  There is a movie, Return To Me, starring David Duchovny, Minnie Driver and Carroll O'Connor.  O'Connor is Minnie Driver's grandfather and he owns an Irish Restaurant and Bar.  He and his old buddies play music of the Crooner's and have some loud discussions on which one had the best voice.  Return To Me by Dean Martin is the theme song for the movie.  

My Dad just turned 94 a few weeks ago and is in assisted living.  Some of his cherished CD's got lost in the move, so my son sent him 4 CD's:  Nat King Cole, Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra and Patsy Cline.  He was thrilled with them and listens to them all the time.  Well, that's what makes him happy, though my tastes are in Rock 'n Roll.  

Larry, you mentioned the biography on Sinatra that comes in 2 volumes.  There's probably a lot of books published on these guys.  I had come across 2 books on Amazon on Dean, written by his son Ricci Martin (RIP) and another by his daughter Deana Martin.  I read some excerpts on Amazon from them and they were pretty good from what I'd read.  





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While I'm here, I'll go ahead and cast my votes.

Gold:  The Beach Boys for It's Over Now.  I much prefer Carl's natural pitch vocal, but this is good, too.  The deeper pitch makes Carl sound more sad and heartbroken.  Maybe that's what Brian was trying to accomplish in this one.

Silver:  Dean Martin for Everybody Loves Somebody.  Out of all the crooners, I do prefer Dean's voice and this is a good song.  I like Ain't That A Kick In The Head and Return to Me also.

Bronze:  Frank Sinatra for Strangers In The Night.  This is his signature song, though I associate him more with My Way and New York New York.  

Tin/Pewter:  Sammy Davis, Jr. for I've Gotta Be Me.  A very nice job from the Candy Man.

My final answer.

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A bit of metaphysical philosophy to ponder during this week's battle:

1) "To be, or not to be" -- Hamlet, William Shakespeare

2) "Do be a do bee" -- Romper Room TV show

3) "Doo be doo be doo" -- "Strangers in the Night", Frank Sinatra






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Very nice to read others' opinions.  Though I can take "some people said he wasn't a nice guy" with a grain of salt, I just can't let the word 'despicable' go, based on innuendo of ...marital infidelity, alcohol abuse, and divorce.    She should at least take those three out--that's every pop singer. 

The more troubling ones should be said only with great proof: domestic abuse and ties with the mob.  Especially the latter.  What exactly does "ties" mean?  You mean, Italian heritage?   When Frankie Valli's name comes up, do people immediately jump to 'despicable' ?   because he had 'ties to the mob.'  Dang mob.  I suspect some Italians would have liked less back then then they thought they had to have.  Plus, there's the possibility that Frank's work to get the mob (and labor) on board helped elect Kennedy in 1960.  If so, was that 'despicable'?   Then, when RFK went after said mob, Frank reasonably felt betrayed.    You know, in college, one journalism prof told me that to get his magazine on racks, he had to bribe the mob.  No choice.  Garbage collection in New York City.  Are those contracts given out equally and fairly.  Dang old mob.  Why are they the fault of night club singers who wanted good gigs...?   
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It took two minutes to find this typical paragraph in an article that says what a wonderful, hard-working performer he was (his generosity is also often noted):
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Frank Sinatra had his demons. More than the boozing and skirt-chasing, Sinatra was a tyrannical jerk to many people along the way. Most importantly, he was an exceptionally lousy husband and father who openly flaunted his infidelities in front of his wife and kids. He intimidated and threatened those in the entertainment industry who dared oppose. In a time when many lied to join in the global conflict, Sinatra was defiant toward the U.S. government when it came to his medical status for service in World War II. He was bad with money and easily offended. He had a simmering, hair-trigger temper that lay to waste all in its path.

"Not a nice guy" is understatement.
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Kitty Kelly?   or Albert Goldman, maybe?  

Reminds me of a great bit Lenny Bruce did about 'why doesn't anyone ever talk about Tony Bennett the drug addict?'   and maybe Lou Reed, "the goodly hearted made lampshades and soap." 

2 minutes on the internet, and you find a typical paragraph.  That doesn't mean you have to believe it.

or even if you do...words like "jerk" do not really pass for journalism, do they?  they are subjective and relative.
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And the best thing about this argument is that Brian trumps them all!  That's trumps, not Trumps.


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Crooners are generally male. Some chanteuses:

Lena Horne, "The Man I Love"
youtube.com/watch?v=75l7xaqt-m4

Ella Fitzgerald, "But Not For Me"
youtube.com/watch?v=3p1YSML7J8k

Peggy Lee, "Blues in the Night"
youtube.com/watch?v=hrPghAxXTLA

Patsy Cline, "I Fall to Pieces"
youtube.com/watch?v=iuZTk1hdpMs

Dinah Washington, "What a Difference a Day Makes"
youtube.com/watch?v=OmBxVfQTuvI

Judy Garland, "The Man That Got Away"
youtube.com/watch?v=vg8bJHM5PGs

Some journalism:
https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/frank-sinatra-and-the-scandalous-but-scholarly-biography

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ala Robert Christgau, I give the New Yorker guy's article a B-, and only because the way he chose to end it.  

Goldman actually did terrible jobs on pretty much all of his subjects, starting with Lenny Bruce, to Elvis, to John Lennon: He hated those men and it showed.  All one has to do is read his pronouncements that Elvis wasn't really a good singer, or John Lennon figured into the death of Stuart Sutcliffe, etc., and why read anything else?  I'll give him one thing: Goldman championed the National Enquirer/and yes/internet troll style of journalism that is the norm now.  But placing him into the same sentence as Guralnick? (who wrote brilliantly about the music and soul of Elvis and Sam Cooke), there's a difference.
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Ah...the croon in June...

GOLD -- Dean Martin, Everybody Loves Somebody -- Classic. Wonder if that session pianist was the same one here? Take note...and maybe one week we'll have a battle with all songs using the "kling kling kling jazz":  



SILVER -- Sinatra, Strangers In the Night -- I think an episode of "Frasier" (apparently from Season 3, "Martin Does It His Way") destroyed me as Sinatra goes. Quick synopsis: Martin Crane (the dad) admitted he's long dreamt of writing a song for Sinatra. His sons, Frasier and Niles, agree to help write it (RIP John Mahoney, who played Martin):



Alas, it's rejected by Sinatra and his People, but the boys recycle it at their aunt's funeral:



BRONZE -- Sammy Davis Jr., I've Gotta Be Me -- Escaped my Tin pan alley by not being tinkered with.

TIN -- Beach Boys, It's Over Now -- I don't mind it, although disappointed the vocals were tinkered with. Yet it's strange the sped up version Darren posted seems natural and blends in with Marilyn's voice better. So why the heck wasn't that (or something closer to that) the officially released version? Odd...

Thanks, Cindy!
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My votes:

Gold: Strangers in the Night/Frank Sinatra
Silver: Everybody Loves Somebody/Dean Martin
Bronze:I’ve Gotta Be Me/Sammy Davis, Jr.
Tin :It's Over Now/The Beach Boys


One from a British crooner:
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Where did the song come from?

Others have gone into the crooner songbooks:

Would one of the crooners have had the opportunity to do this or someone current recroon this this?



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