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John B

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Thanks for the 'It's Over Now' demo.  I love it as much as any version.  Makes me wonder, if Tony Bordain had been a fan of Brian Wilson rather than Jim Morrison...   well, this would be a happier day.  RIP.
Darren J. Ray

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'It's Over Now' is one of a several songs that mention Frank Sinatra. 

The song 'How About You?' (music by Burton Lane, lyrics by Ralph Freed) was first sung by Judy Garland to Mickey Rooney in the film Babes on Broadway in 1941.

In it she sings the line: 'Franklin Roosevelt's looks give me a thrill'.

I have this 10 inch 33 1/3 Jane Froman record from 1952 in my record collection. 


In 'How About You?' she changes the lyrics to: 'And Frank Sinatra's looks give me a thrill'. 

(Topic clip - won't play in certain areas)

When Sinatra himself sang it on Songs for Swingin' Lovers! in 1956, he sings: 'And James Durante's looks (they) give me a thrill'. 

So I'm wondering if Sinatra had actually gone on to record 'It's Over Now' who he would have traded in for the lyric 'I'll put a Frank Sinatra album on and cry my blues away'.

Any ideas?

Al Forsyth

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Puts on Sinatra and starts to cry:

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
Tom Tobben

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If I were rating this week's choices based on the overall quality of the artist, my responses would certainly be different than rating the specific songs in this week's battle. If I were rating by the overall quality of the artists, I'd pick in order: Beach Boys, Sinatra, Martin, Davis. 

But, since we're rating the specific "crooner" songs in this week's battle, here's my totally different ratings:

Gold -- "Everybody Loves Somebody", Dean Martin. One of his all-time best, along with perhaps his early hit "Memories Are Made of This", which held the #1 position on the pop charts for six weeks in 1955 (see Larry's link to the song earlier in this week's battle thread). A lovely melody, excellent vocals by Martin, and nice arrangement. I remember this song quite well from when it briefly topped the charts during the first year of the British Invasion. 

Silver -- "Strangers in the Night", Frank Sinatra. A big hit that managed to top the charts in 1966, when pop/rock and soul were dominant and the aging crooner phenomenon had pretty well faded. A lovely big production number with lovely orchestration and while Sinatra's voice was still compelling. The "dooby dooby doo" ending did seem out of place, however, after a literate set of lyrics throughout the song.

More than this song, I liked the following big duet hit Sinatra had with his daughter, Nancy, less than a later in early 1967, and which topped the US charts for four weeks:

Bronze -- "I've Gotta Be Me", Sammy Davis, Jr. I'm not particularly a fan of Sammy Davis, Jr., but he did have a few decent songs in his career, such as this song and "What Kind of Fool Am I?" But by the time he became "The Candy Man", I was completely turned off. Nevertheless, this week's battle song comes in ahead of my tin choice. 

Tin -- "It's Over Now", Beach Boys. Coming from the Beach Boys and their normal range of music, this lachrymose crooner-style song comes across as kind of sappy and not particularly compelling compared to most of their music. I found Marilyn's brief vocal midway through the song to be intrusive and out of tune. I don't think the Beach Boys do second rate Sinatra-style music very well. Good thing this song was pretty much a one-off for them. 

A few more old classic crooners whom I don't think have been featured yet this week:

Perry Como ("Magic Moments", 1958):

Andy Williams ("Are You Sincere?", 1958):

Jerry Vale ("You Don't Know Me", 1956):

Tony Bennett ("I Left My Heart in San Francisco", 1962):

Mel Torme' ("Blue Moon", 1949):

Eddie Fisher ("O My Papa", 1954):

Al Martino ("Spanish Eyes", 1967):

Pat Boone ("Love Letters in the Sand", 1957)

All I can say is that I'm sure glad rock and roll and R&B/soul gradually took over the pop charts and pushed the crooners aside by the mid-60s, except for the rare one-off crooner hit. 

bonnie bella

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Modern-day crooning.

Harry Connick Jr, "One Fine Thing".

"Let's Try This Again", and "And So It Goes", Sara Gazarek.


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Popeye (not the sailor)

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My crooner votes:

Gold: Everybody Loves Somebody - Dean Martin

Silver: Strangers in the Night - Frank Sinatra

Bronze: It's Over Now - Beach Boys

Tin: I’ve Gotta Be Me - Sammy Davis Jr.

Thanks Cindy!
t bedford

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I've missed voting in several battles lately, having not one, but 2 full hard drive crashes in May.

With the exception of the Boys, this is my parent's music.

In "reverse loathe" order:

It's Over Now/The Beach Boys - GOLD by default, at least I haven't heard it ad nausea, like the others.

I’ve Gotta Be Me/Sammy Davis, Jr. - Having a tinge of soul helps....but not much. SILVER

Everybody Loves Somebody/Dean Martin - The pride of Steubenville, Ohio. BRONZE

Strangers in the Night/Frank Sinatra - A real dial turner, I bet I never got 10 seconds of this back in it's day. Full on TIN

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It took me awhile to like Sinatra's music but I do now for the most part. I find my appreciation of crooner music runs hot and cold and in between depending on mood. For a long time I disliked Wayne Newton. I couldn't stand this:

Then I saw Ferris Bueller's Day Off and I like it now.
My mom loved crooners, Perry Como in particular. I got plenty of Perry. My favorite got to be:

For this week, going with:
Gold: I’ve Gotta Be Me / Sammy Davis, Jr.
Silver: Strangers in the Night / Frank Sinatra
Bronze: Everybody Loves Somebody / Dean Martin
Tin: It's Over Now / The Beach Boys

Here's a crooner duet from Rosemary Clooney and Bing Crosby:

Relaxing selections this week, Cindy.

I try hard to be strong
But sometimes I fail myself
And after all I've promised you
So faithfully
You still believe in me
I wanna cry . . .”

Al Forsyth

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Crooning (AND VOTES)

After following this week, off and on, it’s an easy decision to pick the Gold

GOLD: It’s Sammy and his soaring vocal that originally sounds like Frank if you close your eyes and listen.  It’s the best song, arrangement and delivery of the week.  Has an anthem type of feel to it.  Hey, I GOTTA be me

Silver to Dooby Dooby Doo and Frank.  It’s a good song that is so very much familiar.  Has that late Frankness about it.

The trouble for me was to pick how the bottom shaped up.

Bronze: I’m going to go with Brian, even though it’s not really a crooning song on the bronze.  It’s strangely interesting.  I’ve heard it before and wasn’t aware of the various singers on it! I've been singing it all week. 

With the tin, I don’t like the arrangement for Dino.  It’s a very familiar song, as of all three of the crooner songs of the Rat Pack are. I like it pure vocal without all of the other smoosh. 

Some follow ups:
Brian gets croony via Gershwin:

Dean, in the croon

Always loved this one, Frank:

Sammy is the talent man:

Billie croons (bluesy and jazzy just the same)


Were these guys crooning in the wind?

 It’s Over Now really is a beauty though:

Thanks Cindy and Darren!

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
bonnie bella

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My votes.

GOLD - TBB.  Only because I love the quirkiness of the Adult/Child bootleg and what they do here.  Marilyn needs to get the heck out of it, then it would be very cool.  Always like to stay in touch with my weird side.

SILVER - Dean Martin.  I don't know, this is the one that would take longer than the others to bow to under interrogation if it were used as a torture device. That's all I have to say about that. 

BRONZE - Frank, wandering in the night.  Somebody should tie the old dog up.

TIN - Sammy.  And I can't believe that.  On paper, I'd have put Sammy first and Dean last, but this song is ... not me.

Thanks, Cindy.


Clowns divorce: custardy battle.     Simon Munnery

Darren J. Ray

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Great clip, Al. 

Like I said, Sammy could do it all. 

With the exception of the Boys, this is my parent's music.

I've never understood that reasoning. 

To me, good music is good music, regardless of whether or not my parents liked it.

And if they did, then it has to have something going for it that's worth exploring.   

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Gold - Everybody Loves Somebody - Dean Martin
Silver - I’ve Gotta Be Me - Sammy Davis, Jr
Bronze - Strangers in the Night - Frank Sinatra
Tin - It's Over Now - The Beach Boys


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GOLD Sammy
TIN Dean

paul g adsett

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oh, dooby dooby doo...
i was going to get this done a bit earlier in the weekend,
but here we are way past bedtime (again!)...
it's been a fab week of 3 consecutive live gigs for me
- hosting an amazing diva from austin texas who slayed us with a ukele and an attitude
- angélique kidjo performing her take on talking heads' 'remain in light' album
(exquisitely joyous rfh with the rfh on its feet and me almost dancing!)
- a reunion gig by the mighty microdisney after 30 years(!)
with so many 'smile'isms and 'holland' guitar work
as they played the whole of 1985'2 'the clock comes down the stairs' album
and a host of other numbers
(you just have to believe how exciting that event was!).
so, dealing with a bunch of crooners should be easy.
but, my i've surprised m'self (once again) with my eventual choices.

gold: 'i've gotta be me'
- rises to the top over the week.
understated vocal, when it could've been horrendously grandiose,
with the right degree of passion and, well, it strikes me as he means it.
suitably orchestrated.
would sit neatly alongside many a jacques brel number
(brel would've given it lyrics that weren't so positive,
a bit sleazier and pricked any possible pretentious bubble).

silver: 'strangers in the night'
- by a long chalk, it's the best orchestration / production of the 4 on offer.
frank's voice is impeccable timbre, phrasing, emotion
(love the way he can raise a phrase upwards and make it soar
- just think of that moment in 'i've got you under my skin'
where he divinely sings the second 'don't you know, little fool...'!).
but, there's something in this song that leaves me slightly underwhelmed
alongside so many other sinatra recordings.
maybe i've just heard it too often and there's others
(given i have mighty boxsets of early and later years)
that've not yet dulled my senses.

bronze: 'everybody loves somebody'
- why the contrast between the opening up-tempo swirly strings
and the turgidly slow entry of the song?
it perks up after that, speedwise, but, for me,
it plods too lacklustrely rather than lilts along.
even mr martin's deft turn of phrasing can't fully resurrect it.
too trite.
never was sure why it was such a big hit.
he's done far better.

tin: 'it's over now'
- is this sacrilege to place it down the bottom of the pile?
nope, the lush orchestration might be ok in a dull way.
i used to enjoy this as some freakish sideline,
pouting m'lips and nodding m'head like some connoisseur of esoterica.
but, the emperor's new clothes fell away to reveal a bit of a dud.
the voices may be luvverly.
but, well, they're not.
like a rough demo guide vocal track.
the odd phrase excepted,
here they're bent and stretched beyond rational endurance
(sounding at times more like a struggling 'america's got talent' wannabe
who's autotune's gone wonky).
and the song's rubbish, too.
there, i've said it.

'my final answer'  as the saying goes.

Darren J. Ray

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Thanks, Paul. 

Always worth the wait. Insightful and entertaining. The voice of reason. 
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