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Al Forsyth

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Well the inductees have been announced for The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Class of 2019, with seven inductees slated to join the Rock Hall ranks next year: The Cure, Def Leppard, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks, Radiohead, Roxy Music and The Zombies.  HBO will show the induction.

https://www.lifezette.com/2018/12/these-are-the-new-inductees-into-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/

This year they were:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2018/04/15/rock-and-roll-hall-fame-2018-everything-you-missed/518213002/

BUT, the songs and artists that I have chosen are already safely and securely in 😊. 


First up, Queen.  Inducted 2001.  Song for competition at BOTB’s – Killer Queen



I saw the movie, Bohemian Rhapsody, when it came out and you can only go, wow.  If you haven’t seen it, do so by all means. I was playing Queen music for the next week!  Really in their own league of rock/pop and whatever stage they were in.  Live Aid – they rocked it!

Next up, Heart.  Inducted 2013.  Song for competition at BOTB’s – Crazy On You.  

From the first album on, this band kicked it.  Unique in their own way.  They changed their gears and come in various formations. 

 
And then, Motown’s own Marvin Gaye.  Inducted 1987.  Song for BOTB’s competition – What’s Going On

Mr. smooth and groove, himself.  Tragically taken down by his own father.  He helped reshape and reform American soul music to something much deeper. 

Finally, our American band after all, The Beach Boys.  Inducted 1988.  Song for induction – Sloop John B. 

 

They interpret this song so well that many would consider it only a Beach Boys’ song.  The history of it goes way back, probably beyond the publishing date.  But when Al Jardine brought this to Brian Wilson, little did they know that they would begin constructing what many consider the greatest album in rock history, Pet Sounds.   

Inductions

Queen

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/queen

youtube.com/watch?v=e63sQ8Jz57s

youtube.com/watch?v=uazC2IdI8rw

 

Heart

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/heart

youtube.com/watch?v=XNoRFZBdeDw

youtube.com/watch?v=Jqpgc1G_yY0

 

Marvin Gaye

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/marvin-gaye

youtube.com/watch?v=1UgAUlrdAxU

youtube.com/watch?v=D054YrDXECA

 

The Beach Boys

https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/beach-boys

youtube.com/watch?v=oZSAQX2uuUY

youtube.com/watch?v=a_t86-CtAwY


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Four very good songs, Al. 

Gold -- The Beach Boys -- It feels a little out of place on Pet Sounds, even though it fits nicely in the story the album seems to tell. An invitation is offered: let's go away for a while. But she doesn't make the trip. It ends up being the worst our protagonist has ever been on. Afterward, he can't imagine what life would be like without her. God only knows. "Sloop John B" was on the radio when we drove across America in early 1966, leaving California to live in New York. That was a bad trip too. We were back within six months.

Silver -- Marvin Gaye -- Beautiful.

Bronze -- Queen -- Remarkable, although I'm not interested in the movie. Our daughter has seen it three times and says she now understands how it's possible to be so interested in a musician or group, like, for example, Brian Wilson or the Beach Boys.

Pewter -- Heart -- I love the "crazy on you" refrain, but it isn't enough for 3rd place.


The Beach Boys -- "Do You Remember" (Danny & the Juniors are out of their league)
youtube.com/watch?v=A0E_3lwIvds


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Excellent battle and theme, Al! I think I know my gold, but I'm going to have to ponder on the rest for a while, to sort out my rankings.

Mike's part of the Beach Boys' R&R HOF acceptance speech (in one of your clips above) must have been such an embarrassment to the other band members and to the audience at the event. 
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1.  "Sloop John B"  by the Boys.  

one of the greatest records of all time.

2."Crazy on You" by Heart

what about the bridge, Larry, "Wild man's world is crying in pain, whatcha gonna do when everybody's insane, so afraid of one whose so afraid of you, whatcha gonna do?"   and I like those lines about the leaves, too.  so 2nd place to the 2nd best Wilsons, and my first concert in 1977.

3. "What's Goin' On"  by Marvin Gaye

I know, important album and song, but more relatable to people older than me

4. "Killer Queen"

meaningless lyrics in a meaningless song by a novelty group who were sometimes pompous and almost always overrated.   Probably the #1 group in my high school, and I hated my high school.  yes, I bought 'Bohemian Rhapsody' cause the verses reminded me of Brian's songs.   but even that was meaningless and random, arbitrary, lyrically.  sorry to Freddy's family, but no great loss to the musical world.  no interest in the movie after Cohen wasn't cast.  I never made it through 'the Song remains the same', only tried twice.  Brutal...
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Hi Al. Great theme this week.

Apart from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame looking like a cross between the pyramids of Giza and the Guggenheim, I'm all for it. Looking at the list of inductees, here are a few fun ones from LaVern Baker, inducted 1991.






And one of my favourites from The Police, inducted in 2003.




Not generally a fan of Heart, but this pick is a good song from them this week.



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Thanks Larry, Tom, John B and Bonnie for getting us going this week!  Yes, it is about the R&RHOF and I only put in four artists this week.  You can add any of yours (four would be nice again) to show what you like.  Mine was kind of arbitrary, BUT four artists that I REALLY have a love and fascination for.

Here's the list for already inducted:
https://www.wkyc.com/article/entertainment/music/rock-hall/whos-in-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-see-the-list-of-inductees/95-125896462

Bonnie added her two (more please).  Larry and John B. with the ALL important votes and of course just why John B. chose his Gold (hmmmmm).  

Tom,  I wanted to add the inductions and Marvin didn't have one as he was in the second class admitted (87) and the Beach Boys, the third (88).  I think that it was the first year then that the speeches were made or recorded and Mike maybe wasn't thinking about ramifications.  Here he tries to set the record straight.
https://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2016/11/03/mike-love-beach-boys-interview-lawsuits-rock-hall-of-fame-brian-wilson/
It is hard to watch.

Now back to the Rock Hall.  If you've never been, it's quite amazing place and design, Bonnie.
https://www.rockhall.com/
Now, I have to say that the Beach Boys exhibit there is quite lame, with the Beatles and Elvis and others having an entire section there many times larger than the BB's.  There was a feature exhibit back in 2007 or 8 which was wonderful - right as you enter the enter the ground floor exhibit hall.  Maybe this is something that we all do - write the Rock Hall to do MORE about the Beach Boys' exhibit. 

Okay, off of my soapbox and looking to see who posts what on Tuesday (now)  [cool]

Oh, and some more Queen:

youtube.com/watch?v=p3MjsrMNCbU




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I've always said, The Cure deserve to be in, but before them, there should be the Smiths, and before them, The Jam.  Now, I realize it's all about American rock n roll and more importantly, the record collections of American rock n roll fans.  That's why they inducted relatively only briefly popular acts from Summer of Love San Francisco and then early 70's heroin/glam New York city, because, Rolling Stone had their office in those locales during those eras (and could easily cover those 'scenes').  This is nothing against the Cure, props for having American hits.  But America Is not the world.

I usually take the opportunity to make a case for Jan & Dean (and Lesley Gore) here, too.  Obviously, these acts don't get in because (a) before hippy era acts who are not black are down-graded.  AND, of course, the Jimmie Hendrix dis about surf music being so less hip than obtunded less active pursuits, and the John Lennon J & D dis, dooms both forever.  Jan & Dean scored Top 5 hits next to Elvis and then next to the Beatles.  Not many did that.  Plus, they were funny, satirical, and critical--a super super super rarity in rock n roll, that needs to be appreciated more.  Lesley Gore was the rare female during a very male-dominated era, and she was multi-media, and made great records.  However, the selfish hippies did not buy her records, so she's excluded from the hall like a working class person from a commune.   
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Al, this is a GREAT idea!  All four are really good songs, so let's see how I do with this grouping....

Here I go:

Gold:  The Beach Boys for Sloop John B.  I love it, never get tired of hearing it, I love the video of the Boys in the pool with that inflatable boat and how to get into it AND it's from the infamous Pet Sounds album!

Silver:  Marvin for What's Going On.  It never gets old for me.  It's truly a classic.

Bronze:  Heart for Crazy On You.  It's always a good song to get ya jumpin' in your car seat when it plays on the radio.  

Tin:  Queen for Killer Queen.  This is one of their most popular songs and even though I'm liking their music a lot more than in my younger years, this one is not one I really like.  

The bottom two were quite a dilemma for me, but after very careful scrutiny I have made my final decision.  

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I like some of Janet Jackson's hit songs, but this one by Shaggy and Janet is a great one to sing along with and dance to.



An oldie, but an oh so goodie!



Def Leppard - I love this one by them and it was featured on Supernatural at the season 5 finale in the fight for Sam/Lucifer fighting with his half brother Adam/Michael.  Brother, Dean Winchester shows up for the fight in Stull's cemetery in his black 67 Chevy Impala, playing this song full blast.  My daughter loved Pour Some Sugar On Me and played it continuously for a long time.  


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Wondering how many groups or musicians are in the R&R HOF, I came across an article from May that says there were 214. With seven added, that makes 221. That looks like too high a number to me.

The article is one of those silly clickbait deals where the author ranks all 214 (like we rank songs here?). He put the Beach Boys pretty far down at #51. Chuck Berry was #1; Queen and Bon Jovi came in last.

I won't link to the article but will point out that it was written by Bill Wyman. He's been writing a long time but was never in the Rolling Stones, although he once got a letter from Bill Wyman's lawyer demanding that he identify himself as not that Bill Wyman, especially when writing about the Stones.


One of my favorites, Neil Young, is in the HOF as himself and as a member of Buffalo Springfield, but not as a member of Crosby, Stills & Nash (but not Young).

"My Heart"
youtube.com/watch?v=QHFyksF05Iw

"Safeway Cart"
youtube.com/watch?v=ZXgnpFz1HUk


John B:  I never really listened to the words besides "crazy on you". 

PS: At last count, there are seven Wilsons in the HOF.  Brian, Carl & Dennis; Ann & Nancy; Jackie; and Mary (of the Supremes).


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Gold - Sloop John B (The Beach Boys - 1966)
Not one of my favourite BB songs but the only version of this song I enjoy. Admire Brian's interesting instrumental and vocal arrangement. 
 
Silver - Killer Queen (Queen - 1974)
Plenty of Queen songs would take my Gold from ‘Sloop John B’. This isn’t one of them. And I hate the liberties they took in the recent ‘bio-pic’. 
 
Then it gets really hard. We’re left with a song that’s boring or a song that I’m not even sure is an actual song. But seeing as ties are for wimps….
 
Bronze - Crazy On You (single version) (Heart - 1976)
I went with the boring one. Starts off like Bob Dylan’s ‘Hurricane’. Then it turns into Lobo meets Led Zeppelin. I can only take Heart in moderate doses. A couple of seconds and I’m done. That voice! Robert Plant, you have a lot to answer for. 
 
Participant - What’s Going On (Marvin Gaye - 1971)
Barely charted here. Sounds like the soundtrack to a porno movie. 
 
So how come Mike didn’t get to finish his great speech? Sure was entertaining! Has he ever given an explanation?
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Okay inquiring minders.

@Darren, I posted Mike's reasons for the rant above ^^^^^ following up Tom.  

@Larry, there are different categories ^^^^^- see the list I posted above, ie Performers, Early Influences, Non Performers.

Thanks for the votes Cindy and Darren.  So far, this is the best trip that the Sloop has been on.  It's leading.  Cindy, I wasn't aware of the Shaggy and Janet song.  Nice - her part is so cool.

@John B.  The Cure are incredible and were part of the Trinity from UK in the 80's along with The Smiths and Depeche.  Jan and Dean should be there.  

Last night I put up some extra Queen. Tonight it's Marvin.

Check out this live groove:
youtube.com/watch?v=ppvBWIzvPvU

Keep our votes coming and support the Rock Hall (theme). 


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G BBs
S Marvin
B Queen
T Heart

I'm probably not going to get many more chances this week.

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The rock hall is a tourist trap, and not a lot more. I don't own any records by three of this weeks savory smorgasbord of inductees.

GOLD: Beach Boys by default. Not a favorite by the boys.

SILVER: Heart. I like the voice of the singer one (but don't know Ann from Nancy), meanwhile I hate Robert Plant...go figure.

BRONZE: Marvin Gaye. I've never known what's the big deal?

TIN: Queen. There is no Queen song that I enjoy.

The Rock Hall needs The Monkees and Paul Revere & the Raiders to name but 2 sorely missing artists. Having a small panel of old corporate businessmen choose the inductees yearly is a joke. How about some input by some actual FANS!!

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Thanks DAN and t!  The Rock Hall voting process now does include the Fan Vote and although it is somewhat controversial, Def Leopard actually won the FV this year.  You can submit a vote, but the overall fan vote seems to have 1/1000 chance, but it has provided for inductees over the past few years:
https://www.wkyc.com/video/entertainment/music/rock-hall/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-2019-induction-fan-voting-process/95-8275911
So it looks as though that they put up the nominees ^
https://www.iheart.com/content/2018-12-11-def-leppard-wins-fan-vote-for-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/
https://www.njarts.net/pop-rock/rock-roll-hall-fame-fan-vote-joke/
https://www.houstonpress.com/music/reviewing-the-2019-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-inductees-11082813
If you look on the bottom of the site, you can see Fan Vote and Industry Vote
https://www.rockhall.com/2019-inductees/

They do have their "Special Exhibits: set up.  The last time that I was there I did go to the Paul Simon "Words and Music" which was on the bottom floor.  It is a pyramid structure so the main exhibits are there and sometimes the featured exhibit may be at the top of the pyramid. The Brice Springsteen a few years back had all of his notebooks and one could see the thinking behind everything that he wrote.  I remember also that he didn't spend a lot on his guitars in the early days and his surfboard was there - showing that he did surf on the Jersey shore.  Whenever I go, I visit the John Lennon exhibit last to have a smile and laugh looking at his "Daily Howl"s that his Aunt Mimi preserved and Yoko must have added.  

Again, I would like to see a better permanent display for the Beach Boys.  tbedford, yes it is a tourist place, BUT also a place to learn.  The Beatle, Elvis, Stones permanents are large and the Beach Boys is NOT.  I thought that it would have been cool to have a Pet Sounds 50 there in 016, but no.  The research that they do is impeccable. The first year that I went, they confiscated your camera.  So I recorded with my mic on with my iPod that year. 

Here's a nice new video of the place with a new Beatle exhibit and Summer of Love with some "oh wow" moments in there:


Okay, back to some voting.  Back later this evening.


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