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John B

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Maybe tourist trap ...in a good way?  (like the football Hall of Fame in Canton, or Pier 39 in San Francisco?).  I remember reading some complaints that there is no R n R H of F related bar/club there, like there is at the KC Jazz Hall of Fame.  or a smoking area?

But agree with Bedford about the Raiders and the Monkees.  Why Journey and Def Leopard in but them, not?  (where is kds to explain?).  I would argue the Raiders and the Monkees did exactly what the Young and then less Young Rascals did, only sold more records.   Is the preference based on...New York City chauvinism?  (not so little anymore Steven Van Zandt prefers the Rascals?).   Surely it's not because they think 'Last Train to Clarksville' or 'Girl I knew Somewhere' are not as good as "Good Lovin'"... or that "People Got to Be Free" is so much better than "Kicks" or "Indian Reservation." 

Yes, I get that Ann Wilson/Robert Plant vocal similarity.  and I still like her and hate him.  Maybe it was having to suffer all day in the hot Texas sun to see the Texas Jam at the Cotton Bowl...and everyone suqqed, as they ran out of coca cola and ice, so you had to drink warm Sprite, except Heart.  They didn't suq--they were...great!  no, they really were.  Maybe you had to be there for those 14 hours or so at well above 100 degrees F...
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Carole King and Gerry Goffin are one of the songwriting teams in the R&R HOF. One of the songs that put them there was "The Loco-Motion", as originally sung by Little Eva (Eva Narcissus Boyd) in 1962.

"The Loco-Motion"
youtube.com/watch?v=eKpVQm41f8Y

Eva Boyd has another connection to the HOF via King, Goffin and Phil Spector:
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The same year, Goffin and King wrote "He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)" (performed by the Crystals) after discovering that Boyd was being regularly beaten by her boyfriend. When they inquired why she tolerated such treatment, Eva replied without batting an eyelid that her boyfriend's actions were motivated by his love for her.

Upon its initial release, "He Hit Me" received some airplay, but then there was a widespread protest of the song, with many concluding that the song was an endorsement of spousal abuse. Soon, the song was played only rarely on the radio, as now.

The Crystals aren't in the HOF. Phil Spector, of course, is. Carole King later said she was sorry she ever had anything to do with the song.

"He Hit Me ..."
youtube.com/watch?v=7jyOjQto22Q

One group that will never be in the HOF unless they somehow run out of inductees is Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark. They released their "Locomotion" in 1984. It isn't the same song and doesn't fit this week but it would have fit bonnie's. It was a hit in Europe.

OMD -- "Locomotion"
youtube.com/watch?v=qA15Es6Bw2w


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Heart ALWAYS has my respect.  That perfect blend of rock and cooled out acoustic.  They have been going a long time. The talent, writing, vocals and instruments, they seem to be a band that changes and evolves.  But they do go back to the well. I only saw them once and Ann solo once (TAWT - The Ann Wilson Thing) - so twice.  Ann Wilson is one of the great voices of rock/pop.  Nancy can play with so much grandeur. The bands were always great.  


Kind of timely.  I loved this album but it didn't sell well.

Lots of things they do, they do!  
https://www.heart-music.com/news
Also (note Debbie Shair here):
youtube.com/watch?v=botjA5iBTUQ

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Al Forsyth

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And no argument here about inducting all of the above mentioned.  Hard to believe that the Monkees aren't there and Jan and Dean.  Paul R. and the Raiders.  Look how long that it has taken the Zombies?  So there is hope.   

If The Dave Clark Five are in then all of the above should be as well ^

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Tom Tobben

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Fun reading and listening to this week's artists, songs, and history, reflecting back on some of the R&R HOF greats. Fertile musical ground here, spanning numerous decades of great music and artists!

I'd like to focus for a few minutes on a few of the "early influences" artists who are also in the R&R HOF. These music legends laid the groundwork for much of what Rock & Roll and rock-and-roll guitar eventually became, especially in its early decades, but also later on to a degree, through blues rock artists right up to the present.

Robert Johnson (1986 initial induction class) and also a member of the infamous "27 club", along with a number of other R&R HOF inductees:



Muddy Waters (1987):



T Bone Walker (class of 1987):



Howlin' Wolf (class of 1991):



Elmore James (Class of 1992):




Back to vote on this week's R&R HOF contestants in the next day or two.  
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Al Forsyth

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YES, Tom, to the early influences category at the Rock Hall and were they ever! Thanks for posting this with original and cover (but mighty, mighty covers)!!!

So awaiting the final voting for the weekend, with six voters in (I know my votes but these will be on Sunday). Come on in if you haven't voted - the water's fine. The next to last vote of the year. 

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 Season 9 week 44,The Rock and Roll Hall of fame


             1)Sloop John B.....love the  arrangement..spectacular vocals and amazing version


            2)What's going On...A gentle plea for peace from one of Motowns finest


            3)Crazy on you...Song really rocks with the best of the 70's and they are girls !!!


            4)Killer Queen....one of their more annoying songs.

          
                                                                 good selections
                                                                    
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Larry Franz

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Harry Nilsson isn't in the R&R HOF? What kind of nonsense is that? (Not that the R&R HOF is of great cultural significance.)
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According to Spector biographer Mick Brown, Nilsson wrote "This Could Be the Night" as a tribute to Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys. Nilsson brought it to Spector, whose productions Wilson greatly admired. Nilsson and Spector are often listed as the songwriters, including by BMI, the performing rights organization. However, Nilsson biographer Alyn Shipton notes that the song was copyrighted by Nilsson alone on March 30, 1966.... 

Shipton describes the lyrics as expressing "the heady mixture of hope, desire, and fear experienced when a couple who have been dating for a while are on the point of finally conquering their inhibitions and making love for the first time." Wilson deemed it one of Nilsson's very best compositions and one of Spector's best productions, explaining "Well, the idea they've been dating and waiting and finally they made love … I love that message."


The Modern Folk Quartet -- "This Could Be the Night"
youtube.com/watch?v=ZOrVjcT1Mxw


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"One" is a song written by Harry Nilsson and made famous by Three Dog Night, whose recording reached number five on the U.S. Hot 100.... Nilsson wrote the song after calling someone and getting a busy signal. He stayed on the line listening to the "beep, beep, beep, beep..." tone, writing the song. The busy signal became the opening notes of the song.


Harry Nilsson -- "One"
youtube.com/watch?v=DYzY7-V5vxY


A few more:

"Without You" (I thought he wrote this, but he didn't)
youtube.com/watch?v=G-ZDKirjQgM

"Without Her" 
youtube.com/watch?v=dCogfIJUk74

"Living Without You" (from Nilsson Sings Newman)
youtube.com/watch?v=J42xEFB18n4

"Don't Leave Me"
youtube.com/watch?v=zST7Qz3mGTs

"The Wailing of the Willow"
youtube.com/watch?v=jYAMVd2r-D8

"Jump Into the Fire"
youtube.com/watch?v=era7iVv2WPE

"Cuddly Toy"
youtube.com/watch?v=7iJnl3eWILw


PS:  On the subject of "Without You":
https://www.ft.com/content/bbe97a08-f3da-11e4-99de-00144feab7de


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Okay Al, after due consideration.

GOLD - TBB. My five-year-old favourite.
 
SILVER - Heart. Never been a fan, but this song was not only new to me but catchy as anything and it hooked me. Nice find.

BRONZE - Marvin Gaye. A big ol' classic.

TIN - Queen. Get the point, but not for me.









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Al Forsyth

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Bonnie and Verden - Sloop keeps on going strong. Thanks for the voting. Larry, always adding some cool info. The Nilsson, very interesting. Bonnie adds Frank and it stays cool.

Now, one more vote day/night.

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Tom Tobben

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Back to vote on these four excellent R&R HOF artists' songs. It would be easy to vote on the artists rather on the specific songs in this week's battle, so I had to focus on the specific songs themselves, without ignoring the overall merits and broader musical careers of each artist or group in the battle:

Gold -- "What's Goin' On", Marvin Gaye. Marvin at his very best -- lovely, soulful song with poignant lyrics. Starting in the late '60s, Marvin Gaye started to perform more socially relevant songs and elevated his game to the pinnacle of Motown, as well as to the top of the pop and R&B charts. This song reached #2 on Billboard's US Top 40 charts for three weeks and it was #1 for five weeks on the Billboard R&B charts. Not only is this song stellar, so is the entire album, which is considered by many critics and fans as one of the very best albums of the modern pop/rock/R&B era. And Gaye wrote or co-wrote all the songs on the What's Goin' On album, as well as a number of his other songs. 

Over his entire career, Gaye had 41 songs reach the Billboard's Top 40 singles, including three #1 songs (I Heard It Through the Grapevine, Let's Get It On, and Got to Give It Up) and a total of 18 songs that reached Billboard's Top 10 on the charts. Even more impressive is his record on Billboard's R&B charts: 61 songs in the R&B Top 40, 38 songs in the R&B Top 10, and 13 #1 songs on the R&B charts. Quite impressive! In my opinion, Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder were the two best, most successful, and most enduring artists in the entire history of Motown and also among the all-time very best in soul/R&B music overall, as well as with crossover pop chart success. 

Here's another of my all-time Marvin Gaye favorites, also from the What's Goin' On album, and written solely by Marvin Gaye, this time with a pointedly moving environmental message:


Silver -- "Crazy on You", Heart. Heart's first hit single was a powerful stunner and immediately caught my attention in an era where disco and fluffy pop largely ruled the charts.  A great rock gem created and performed by this powerful pair of sisters and their band, breaking the mold of traditional male led rock groups. From their debut album, Dreamboat Annie, another single, "Magic Man", was an even bigger hit in the US. Over time, Ann and Nancy Wilson proved that they could both rock out and create/perform lovely ballads, with a long string of albums and 20 Top 40 hits. 


Bronze -- "Sloop John B", Beach Boys. The Beach Boys' distinctive cover of this classic folk tune was the biggest chart hit on the Pet Sounds album, it's still a fan favorite in concert, and with those classic Beach Boys vocals and arrangement, it's become the definitive version of this old song.  For me, however, this otherwise fine song seemed to be a thematic misfit on Pet Sounds, and I like a number of other original Beach Boys songs on this album and overall better than this one. A fine song and a major chart hit, but it couldn't overcome my favorite songs in this week's competition.  

Tin -- "Killer Queen", Queen. Queen's first big hit is also a classic and launched the group into what would become international stardom and a string of big hits. They're back in vogue because of the recent Bohemian Rhapsody movie and the oversized stage personality of Freddie Mercury, but the band overall were talented musicians, especially lead guitarist Brian May. Excellent song and group, but for me they couldn't overcome the other major hits and artists in this week's battle. 

An excellent and thought-provoking battle this week, Al, to bring us down to next week's final lap of this year's weekly battle schedule before Darren launches us into the year-end playoffs in a couple weeks. 

And, bonnie, I really enjoyed your addition of R&R HOF member Frank Zappa, and one of my all-time favorite artists, into this week's mix. I wouldn't have expected that from anyone here, so kudos to you! He was truly a highly talented and original musician with a massive body of work in his all-too-short life. The two instrumental songs you added do an excellent job of showcasing Zappa's stellar guitar skills and his jazz sensibilities, in addition to the various other styles of music he created throughout his lifetime. I've always been a fan of his instrumental classic  "Black Napkins". Another early jazzy instrumental favorite of mine, from Zappa's mostly instrumental album Hot Rats, is this popular Zappa classic, and another later long-form instrumental nugget from Zappa's Joe's Garage, Act III (which begins at about 1:30 into the attached video clip):




Merry Christmas to all from a couple more music legends from different generations:


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Al Forsyth

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Tom, as usual this is better than what I am writing up. So appreciative of the facts posted about Marvin. What a talent. GREAT post and thank you for the vote.

Voting will close this eve-of-Christmas-eve and then Mary will takes home. It couldn't be more fitting.

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GOLD -- Marvin Gaye, What's Goin' On -- Yep, another great artist taken much too soon (and under such bizarre circumstances) with a timeless tune.

SILVER -- Heart, Crazy on You -- No goopy bubble gum tunes for these ladies, they kicka$$ right along side the boys.

Now for an almost toss-up for me...

BRONZE -- Sloop John B, Beach Boys -- It's not a HUGE favourite for me, although I could appreciate the complexities of the instrumentation better after absorbing it all on "The Pet Sounds Sessions" box. That's how it narrowly inched ahead of...

Tin -- Killer Queen, Queen -- I really enjoy a lot of their stuff. However, it was either the strength of the competition or this being a little lower on my list of their faves - maybe combination of both? - that had HRH sink to the bottom here. Begging your pardon, Your Majesty. 

Now, I can't let that classic Crosby/Bowie duet go by without adding this fun parody with John C. Reilly (some remember as Dewey Cox) and Will Ferrell:



also, for the loyal Monkee fans like Cindy, here's their new take of another old Xmas chestnut:



Thanks, Al !  In case I don't post quick enough for Mary's upcoming week, I'd like to wish you all a Very Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Happy New Year! 

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Hi all,

what a task to put these four songs into a ranking order. Today might be like this, tomorrow will be like that, yesterday would have been different.

Today's decision (which is decisive according to the rules):

1. (best) Killer Queen
... one of those “very british“ march tempo songs whose prototype must have been “Penny Lane“. Lyrics aren' t that senseless to me, the idea might be “look at me, I'm a poof, isn't it funny“. Another example might be John Deacon's “You're My Best Friend“. And besides, a guitar style in itself was born.

2. Heart
I know it's not even European, but it sounds sooooooo familiar to me. Believe it or not, but the former GDR's “ostrock“ music scene had many examples of that specific style. Names like Puhdys, Karat, Renft and Engerling probably are like bohemian villages to most of you. Here's one locally very famous example by Silly (feat. legendary Tamara Danz, the street around the parking of Berlin's Mercedes Benz Arena, opposite East Side Gallery, is named after her)


3. Sloop John B.
Brian's falsetto sounds crushy like a ton of wicked rats !

4. Marvin Gaye ...
... because today is not my soul day.

Ask me tomorrow, and the order will be upside down.

Last cheers before Xmas !
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David W

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Seem to be going against the grain with my votes.....would have thought everyone had heard Sloop John B enough by now ....great song but has bad memories for me from when I was a teenage DJ .

My brother used to work for EMI record company and he would get demo singles of all new 45 rpm records , two weeks before release . He gave me Sloop John B when it hadn't even been played on radio .
I thought it was great and trying to be clever put it on the turntable and played it to a packed dance floor who were bopping away to the regular Tamla and Soul classics .
Sloop John cleared the dance floor in seconds !
They'd never heard it and it was hardly a dance track but of course went on to be a big hit .

My votes:

Gold : Queen
Silver :Marvin
Bronze : BBs
tin : Heart 

Some inductees :

A great Christmas song by Al Green that never gets played !



Some Abba



A song by The Tractors that mentions Bo Diddley (who was an inductee)



And a track by Booket T that I play every Christmas (still have the 45)

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