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John B

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...not that there's anything wrong with that.  But weird indeed.  I mean, there was the dinner table, there was a wall nearby, and on that wall for all guests to see: said photo.  Framed.  

btw, I'm calling this a Los Angeles story because that's where the story came from, even though the house I take it was in New York.  No, I don't believe all Hollywood stories.  The rock critic's name was Greg Shaw, and he is now deceased.   Other stories for other times...
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I have no time for critics whatsoever.  The bad ones [and there are tons of THEM] have spoiled it for the few capable of critiquing ANYTHING.  The majority?  Over-paid BS salespeople with mouthfuls of 'samples'.  Self appointed experts on nothing.  Jerks.  Weasels.  Dinks.

Hell's bells...*WE* all know more than those clowns.  [at least the majority of them 'cause there are a few who do have the experience and the time invested to actually have an inkling of what they're talking/writing about.]  Problem is REAL experts cost money and pencil pushing/bean counters don't like spending it.

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yes, there's that, Lee.  But to be fair, Greg was one of those writers who loved and supported pre-hippy rock n roll after the grateful starship made it out of fashion; and then post-hippy punk/new wave in a highly appreciated manner.  He had embarrassing stories he could tell about many other rock critics, like when Lester Bangs called him up  and said, "cut the bleep, Shaw!  You gotta an underground surf-garage band song as your song of the year?!  EVERYONE knows the real song of the year was 'Ramblin Man' by the Allman Bros.!'   But Greg didn't "know" that, and he kept championing all that was good n rock n roll instead, such as The Raspberries, such as The Hudson Brothers, such as the Easy Beats and the Flaming Groovies and Alex Chilton/Big Star, and Nick Lowe/Brinsley Swartz/Dave Edmonds, et., al., so good for Greg.  Instead, during the early embarrassing singer-songwriter 70's and the mid-70 embarrassing circa Carl and the Passions being so tough and so forth, he was with Gene Sculatti and Mark "Paperback Writer" Shipper, and Ken (great Beach Boys bio-writer) Barnes, and Turtles Flo & Eddie, etc., in 'Phonograph Record Magazine.'  Then, later, he put out the ultimate rock n roll superfanzine  'Bomp'.  Before being head of 'Bomp' and Voxx records.  He also was executive producer for the best Flaming Groovies album, 'Shake Some Action', and he interviewed Brian a number of times, too.  I should add that he personally got me lots of bootlegs including of 'Smile' and 'Landlocked' before most people got to hear those things, so Thanks, Greg.
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Hi John,

I know that I am just a "tike" compared to you and Bugs. I had actually just started getting into The Beach Boys last year. I grew up in the 80's when their music was not so "cool" so we did not pay much attention to it. (I was not a particularly good kid)... We listened to groups like Motorhead. But, being in music myself I was exposed to other forms. (I had played organ, piano and clarinet and later guitar. That said, I can see what I had missed out on. I had purchased a couple of records last year. I had found 2 45's of the original "Surfin". There were a couple of different ones... One is from "X" records and I know that one is rare. I have another set called "Hollywood Hotshots". This one may be a bootleg (??) Not sure about that...I will send a picture when I get home...But they are both really interesting...I am still discovering their music so all of the talk actually is really interesting to me even though I have never heard some of these songs. I have yet to explore them so it makes me excited and happy to hear your opinions. I am a "tough kid" too. Smashed between 4 brothers growing up you can imagine how many beatings I took! Hehe...teasing was baby stuff!! 
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Btw thanks for liking my poem....it took me 5 minutes on a Sunday to write it. Like to do it for fun...[biggrin]
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Cool to hear your fresh ears opinions, Kaycee. !

by the way, I made a quick mistake way back there, I didn't mean the song 'Polkadots & Moonbeams' and I didn't mean Ricci Martin's 'Moonbeams', or even Dennis' 'Moonshine' I meant "In My Moondreams."   Even though, I like all of these songs.

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Kaycee:  You're not the tike you make yourself out to be.  Now, don't get me wrong - you're not old.  But you've already shown an ability to demonstrate the depths of Brian's music as it relates to you and your life.  And I'm no expert, as you (might) imply.  Maybe you're just saying I'm old - I'm fine with that. [wink]  Yet if you have nothing to do (and I mean, nothing), check out some of my posts - I only began my journey into Brian's music (and therefore the BBs) in April last year.  OK- so I'm a bit obsessed (my wife might claim otherwise) - but there surely are worse subjects out there in this vast world to get obsessed about!

Cheers to you.  

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Yeah, what bugs said, and I'm sure that the admin. people here are happy that a newby just hits the ground running and gets so many views and replies.  I'd like to think that this site really cares about relatively younger people and newer fans more than Smiley Smile does.
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Hi Bugs,

I guess I should clarify a bit. I meant a "tike" when it comes to the BB music. Not age... I think that I am younger(from Gen X) but that is not too relevant coming from a musical background. I started playing organ in my room at about the age of 6. My favorite song to play at that time was "On top of spaghetti" on the Magnus that I had. Just like Brian, I would hide up there and play all day. After that, piano, then clarinet. In my 20's I took up guitar. I am also crazy about the music! I think I am drawn to Brian's music because I have (scarily) a lot in common. Certain aspects, I mean. I also love the history behind the music. Having that 45 from "X" Records is surreal. It came to me in the original sleeve. A tattered dark brown generic sleeve from approx Nov 1961. Before I was born! I was told that only one other guy had owned it. It came from California and it supposedly was in storage all those years. I guess it is going to take me a long time to investigate because I jump in, but deep. I think that is why bootlegs are so interesting! It is like the "raw artist" from the soul with no interference. I had to start at record #1 and work my way out. I did jump to Pet Sounds because that is unavoidable. Actually John, I did not realize that more "posts" were a good thing, but I am glad to make people happy![comp][biggrin]...I will post a pic of my collection so far...sooo cool...
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Well, Kaycee, you (and many others here, I'm sure) are one up on me - I cannot (nor have I ever been able to) play any note on any instrument (at least knowingly).  In fact, I realized from a very young age that I would never be able to play music [wink].  I have other talents though (and when I find out what they are....)

Fortunately, I am blessed with the ability to truly love/appreciate good music - and that's just fine with me.

Thanks for all your posts - keep 'em coming.

-Doug

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http://s1376.photobucket.com/user/Kaycee0101/library/

Here is a small album....I will check out your posts Bugs! Thank you!  Kaycee[rofl][eek]
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Kaycee: Great way to start with the X single (I don't have!).  I have 'Humpty Dumpty/The Surfer Moon' by Bob and Sherri on Safari records.  Bob was Bob Norberg who co-wrote 'Your Summer Dream'--which is one of those very early 'Pet Sounds' precursors, right Lee?   I think this is my rarest 45 at least. I have a Honey's collection but it is all in a limited/numbered beautiful box set--that is obviously a bootleg.  A fantastic bootleg, but still a bootleg.     

I forgot, I also have a 'Child of Winter' single but it must be a bootleg because it doesn't sound nearly as good as the 'Ultimate Christmas' version.  I have the last Capitol single, 'Breakaway/Celebrate the News'--but it's on my brother's juke box, can you believe that?!

Everyone on my mother's side of the family plays instruments even my mom and grandparents.  I tried to play punk guitar for awhile, I was even in an awful band--we tried to play the intro to 'Get Smart' as our theme song and call ourselves KAOS.  For whatever reason we had a go at 'California Sun' and 'Wild Honey'.   Our only saving grace was we tried to be funny.  We had a drummer who could not keep time and a singer who was tone-deaf.  We had no fans.
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Okay, back to topic, we were talking about the album 'Sweet Insanity'.  Which got me thinking of songs on that, including 'Don't let her know she's an Angel'.  I especially like the darker verses rather than the chorus. 

anyway, this created an earworm for me--did you see that last season 'A Big Bang' episode where Sheldon was hearing and rehearing the melody of the verses for 'Darlin'?  but couldn't place it until later.?

So...the song I finally thought of--which has similar parts is the Lesley Gore song 'Movin' Away'.  This just makes me love both songs more.

I've done this tons of times.  Once was the song by Huang An, 'New Mandarin Duck Butterfly Dream' which is really just one of the catchiest melodies ever.  Finally, I realized it reminded me of 'I'll Try Something New' by Smokey Robinson & the Miracles--which is also a beautiful melody that has some similarities.
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HI John,

That is awesome....I love Punk! Nice name too...Kaos...!! Yeah the X is my heart. This is one of 2 copies I have. I have no idea how THAT happened! Me and my brother play together still. The best memories that I have is playing with my brother. We use to have little "outings" by going to the forest and playing there in the sunshine. He never sang, I always did and I loved that. When he did sing, (once in a while) our voices "melted" together. I think it is a "family" thing. He has been playing guitar for MANY years and he actually builds them as well. The "artistry" definitely comes from my mom's side( English roots) and my dad was the engineer. We have not had an "outing" in quite some time, but it will happen this summer hopefully. BTW John do you know anything about "Oh Lord". I heard it on YT and was blown away yesterday...
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Sorry I keep picking your brain but I love your responses...here is a link:

to "Oh Lord"....

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