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John B

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Thanks, Kaycee.   I don't have any specific info about "Oh, Lord" but Youtube is great for these discoveries.  Love the organ!  I would guess that the pic is wrong for the song, with the pic circa 66 and the song...circa early to mid 70's.  From bios, they say, during periods of time that Brian was under a kind of house-arrest regarding rehab, sometimes Dennis would help him 'escape' and offer bags of cheeseburgers and beers or smokes to get Brian's help on songs.  This was probably such a song--that seems more than half-written to me.!   Wonder why abandoned?  When I see this pic and hear this song, I feel good that Brian and Dennis had such moments where they could be close brothers together despite everything.
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Hi John,

I would love to hear a finished and polished version of this song. I really think that it would be a hit on the charts! I was listening to that song "Rainbow Eyes" yesterday. I wonder if Landy was involved in that one? It sounds kinda like he was. I also heard "I sleep alone". That one made me cringe. Being in jail like that for an artist must have been worse than the withdrawal. I wonder in he had ill feelings towards his family for not saving him from that? "Getting in over my head" is amazing. I had thought it was about a girl at first, but then it sounded like it was an addiction rather than a girl. "Do you have any regrets" is amazing but without the "canasta" affect. What is the name of that song with only the piano(instrumental). I would love to hear words to that one. So beautiful!
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Yeah, you nailed it Kaycee, Landy's contributions reasonably make fans cringe and you got little bit of him (or a lot/far too much) on most of these songs.  The nicest people on here, like Debbie, will not comment on Landy-related topics.  To her it must be like driving back to an auto accident to stare.  YET, you play these songs, at least when I do, I'll be thinking about them and even singing them the next day, 'I Sleep Alone' and 'Rainbow Eyes' included.   So of course, Brian's talent has made him the golden goose.  There were times where he didn't mind and there were times when he did.  Landy is about the worst.  Your inferred suggestion for releasing instrumentals of ALL these songs is a great one. 
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I understand people feeling the way that they do about Landy. I try to look at the good in any situation and I wonder if he had not come along, would Brian have made it out? I am not condoning him in ANY way, but obviously Brian had connected with him in some way and for an artist like him (so different in many ways-all good) that may not be so easy to find a person to connect with. This is why he had wrote the song, "I just wasn't made for these times." Obviously, connections were hard to come by for Brian because he was "different". I totally understand were he is coming from on that one. I usually don't go online and connect with anyone. I tend to "scare off" (too truthful) people and I think I got lucky with you John. I have enjoyed speaking with you tremendously![smile] I thank you for that! I just got tickets to see him at the "Pitchfork". I won't have the opportunity to meet him unless I travel and get lucky. Are you going to see him soon? (If you don't mind me asking?)
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Well please don't be scared off either, Kaycee.!  I am proudly the person that late-arriving people ask, 'is this the right line'?  because I would like to think that I don't radiate attitude to new people.  I will forever feel they are me since I probably heard 'class, we have a new student today' so many many times as a kid.  That's why I will always have a kind spot for military kids because they were my friends, and a less than kind spot for ...   a side a human nature I don't like, shall we say. 

Others feel like you, too, here. 

Enjoy your Pitchfork show! 

I have seen Brian solo 3 times so far, the most recent time, last Summer.  Brian has already sold out in my area--he is quite popular in San Francisco/Bay Area...except Sacramento, about 2 hours away.  Could consider the scalpers I suppose--but I have three little kids and it will be football season by then...so 'not sure' is my best answer.    
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Cool John! That is wonderful! No kids for me right now. Actually, I am trying to get into a school in San Francisco. They teach computer coding and I may have to go there in Oct. If you don't mind me asking, which neighborhood there would you stay in a hotel in? I live in Chicago and there is quite a difference in rates! I am not picky at all and do not need extras. Just decent would be fine! Sorry to get off subject...I would LOVE to see Brian in Cali too. My Aunt used to live in Sacramento!
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One of my heroes--Lincoln Steffins, grew up in Sacramento, so I named one of my kids after him.  I tried for Brian for my third, but my wife said no.  She also said no to Clinton, if you can believe THAT! 

Of course, if you have those skills Kaycee, you should probably be out here.  It is, in short, my world.  I shouldn't say that.  It is my wife's world, and I daily walk around those people and I'm the only one who is not them.  So I feel fine. (ha).  We live in Tree Tall (in Spanish).  Lots of tree references, on every city sign, and they have this dancing tree mascot at the college.  I lived in San Francisco for 9 years--outer Richmond (Irish/Jewish/Russian/Chinese), and loved it (everyone is SO nice), except you need a jacket with hoodie about 360 days a year.  Decent is most of the city--except the tenderloin (you know, where Hunter S. Thompson attended all those XXX shows) and the extreme south/east corner (say, South of OJ's Portrero Hills).     Good luck!
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Man you are hilarious! Lucky for me I know Spanish. Lots of people of Mexican heritage that live here so you naturally pick it up. Also at the moment I am in healthcare so you should know some(Espanol). Yeah I can understand why you are "happy go lucky" not being in CS. It can be a royal pain in the arse! I figured a second career might not be a bad idea for the future. Something I could do from home if needed/wanted. I am studying at the University now, but of course, being the lazy one that I am, looking for a quicker way to get to the finish line. They have this school that teaches you Cs/coding kind of "on the job." In exchange, after 2 years, you pay them 15% of your salary for 2 years, (in lieu of tuition). I thought this was brilliant. No loans. 
possible tax breaks. Best of all, a job and maybe living in Cali. I could always finish the degree.[eek] I had to laugh about the "hoodie" thing. That is like child's play living in Chicago. I may as well go topless outside! Haha!! I LOVE hoodies!! haha!! and of course...Always listen to your wife. She is probably right...[nono]
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Don't know if you watch the show 'Silicon Valley'--on HBO?  It is by the Beevis & BH & King of the Hill guy, but it's with real people this time--my town's people.  Their fictional house would be two blocks from where I live---.  I know why they chose that address, you can see yourself if you drop by with the crowd on Halloween night--it's okay, no problem, 'there's apple guy's house and there's google guy's house, and there's yahoo guy's house, and there's.. .  Ironically, my wife is not interested to watch the show because she says "I don't need to watch, I LIVE it."  and she's right, she's a GM.  I'll ask her something from the show, like, 'what is the value of your company?'  and she'll say 'the stock, duh'.  and I, expecting her to say something banal like 'our employees or our customer base?', will be too shocked for words. 

...and I have never owned a cellphone.   
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No unfortunately I don't have too much time for TV anymore, but I can totally understand her point of view. When i would watch some of those medical shows, I had to laugh because most of the time they were way off! Hanging X-rays upside down, talking about a Cat scan machine and showing an MRI machine, medication errors...etc. This is a funny story. When I went to sign up for classes at the University, they had an iPad that they were letting everyone use to get it done quicker since they only had a few PC's there in the CS office. (Go figure). Anyway, they were taking student's Smart phones as a sort of "insurance" just in case you had walked off with the iPad. I was with mostly 18-20 year olds so I was a little uncomfortable to begin with. I was distracted and when they had asked me for my smart phone, I pulled out a refillable Nokia that I bought at CVS because THAT was my phone! Talk about embarrassing! After that fiasco I had to get a smart phone "cause I felt like such dumb ...ss! I use it mainly for music which I NEED!! Hey John, what album do you think is your favorite? I do LOVE Pet Sounds but I am wondering which one to investigate next? In know that is a broad question considering all of the material, but surely you have a fav...
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You've nailed it again, Kaycee.  I highly approve of technology if it challenges group-think but am worried when it supports uncritical increase in group-think.

Your other question, this is the best I can do.

In chronological order, my 'faves':

1).Surfer Girl
2) The Beach Boys Today
3) Pet Sounds
4) Sunflower
5) The Beach Boys Love You
6) Brian Wilson Presents Smile
7) That Lucky Old Sun


I know I just did a top 15, but I was wrong.  Why?  Because what if someone told me, those albums you pick below #7 you will never hear again?  So, of course, I could live without 'Wild Honey' and 'Friends' (or even 'Summer Days & Summer Nights'--as great of albums as they are, but I would cry hard without "The Beach Boys Love You".  So I asked myself, why was this so?  and the reason is that I love best the records where Brian is an emotionally strong--almost fearless man, someone who takes the bull by the horns, someone who like a professional athlete does his best work under high stress, antagonism, and pressure; someone who is a man; someone who like all of us, knows what it feels like to be rolling down a mountainside, like a cork on the ocean, and like a leaf on a windy day, but Brian did NOT blow away, his back to the wall, it did NOT kill his soul, and he did NOT lose his way.  He found his way, because he's a strong m-f: he's a survivor.  He jumped off that boat in 'Love & Mercy' not because he was weak, but because he was strong.  not because he was crazy, but because he was sane.  not because he was somber, but because he had a sense of humor.  Not because he was a victim but because he said enough is enough!!  Yes, I'm 21 years old, I'm going to produce this record.  rock n roll with strings on it?  it doesn't?  Well, now it does.  Why? Because I said it does.  I'm the leader.  You don't like it, get lost.  this is my soul, you support my soul, help me.  A nervous breakdown, I'm not going to go on the road anymore--that's just the way it is.  I don't care what other groups do--I'm going to make greater studio albums.

#1 above,  is about 1/3 of a solo record, including 'In My room', 'Surfer Girl', 'Your Summer Dream', 'The Surfer Moon', plus a Stephen Foster cover, and also Catch a Wave and Little Deuce Coupe.  Also, Hal Blaine played drums first on 'Our Car Club.'  Also, sorry David fans, but for all intensive purposes, Alan Jardine was already back the summer before this record came out--and yes, played on this record, too.!  

#2 above, Brian made 1/2 of a solo record, on Side 2.

#3.  there were years as a late teen/early 20's, where I took "Pet Sounds' with me to every sleep over.  This was my album, I had to have access to it always.

#4. After his dad stole the songs, after Capitol ripped them off millions, the stress of a new label, Brian chipped in for the most Beach Boys all working together in Harmony album they ever made.  It did not sell in U.S.  So bloody what?

#5.  Detractors call it childish but I say childlike in every good sense of the word.  It is in the moment--if back over his shoulder.  It is showing Wendy and Carnie that I could not be a dad, what with my role models, but...this is what I CAN do...I can show you with my art.  Detractors also decry Brian's cig-wrecked voice.  But, like another super poster on this site said--I'm in too big a hurry to say, this album is like a Tom Waits character who has been beaten but gets up to fight back.  Only it's autobiographical.  Mike Stipe and Patti Smith and Alex Chilton and Lester Bangs all called it their favorite Beach Boys album.  Why is that?  Because it's one of the best, that's why. 

#6.  Smile was eventually completed up to Brian's and Van Dyke's standards.  Detractors?  go to a Mike and Bruce show and leave us the hell alone.

#7. Brian and his great band made a great organic album of their own.



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Here, here, John! Here, here! Nicely said!
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Cretinwelsh. 

SHE was the superposter I was quoting--who loves 'The Beach Boys Love You' as much or more than I do, listing it way up there at 2nd place behind 'Pet Sounds' if I recall correctly.  Debbie KL--another Love You fanatic, said she wrote out a very emotional essay but then deleted it!   I wish she would post it.  There is this contingency here of otherwise reasonable superfans, not to mention names (cough Lee, cough kds, cough Al) who don't care for "Love You" that much because they think Brian is best when collaborating--to them, there can be 'too much Brian'.  I am paraphrasing but it was something like that. 

Thanks very much, Curt.  I wish you guys would tell Kaycee here your very most favorite albums after 'Pet Sounds'--.  I'm almost off work and cannot post at home because my cookies are not in order they tell me...

have a very nice Mother's Day weekend, everyone.!
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Hi Kaycee - Welcome to this world of Brian we have here. My favorite Beach Boys albums aer something like this. You might find that your order moves around from time to time.

1. Pet Sounds
2. Summer Days (and Summer Nights)
3. Sunflower
4. Today
5. All Summer Long
6. Love You
7. Friends
8. Holland
9. Surf's Up
10. Shut Down, (Pt2)

Brian's Solo Albums

1. BW Presents SMiLE 2004
2. No Pier Pressure
3. That Lucky Old Sum
4. Brian Wilson (88)
5. Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin
6. Orange Crate Art (And Van Dyke Parks)
6. I Just Wasn't Made For These Times

Also, Kaycee - Be sure to check out Denny's "Pacific Ocean Blue" which is marvelous. You can also get the deluxe version of that which includes Denny's unreleased second solo album, "Bambu", which also has some wonderful music. And check out Carl's two solo records. 

Like we all have said, our favorite list moves around with our moods sometimes. You have a fun, beautiful time ahead as you dive further in. Enjoy!

 


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Hi John and Curt,

Thank you so much for your posts. I was working all weekend so I just saw them now. As always, John your writing is so interesting. I love how you connect the history with the music. It adds to the human experience and I LOVE that! You should be a rock journalist! Curt, I have heard Pacific Ocean Blue. It made me tear up and also get mad at the same time because of what happened. I remember an interview with Brian where he said "I feel sorry for anyone who can't finish a song" and it made me think about Dennis. Hey do you guys know anything about Kenny and the Cadets? I read somewhere that Brian's mom was actually playing with them? Thank you for the welcome as well...I am so happy to be here sharing my obsession...hehe[crazy]
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