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Tom Tobben

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It’s been a great 10 years of weekly and year-end battles! Most of all, thanks to everyone who has participated regularly and to everyone who has introduced so much interesting and varied music, both newer and older, to the rest of us, in the process of celebrating so much of Brian and his band’s music.

Likewise, I’ve really enjoyed and learned from the many insightful musical discussions and analyses here over the years. And I feel like I’ve come to know some of you as good music friends over such a lengthy period. If this has to be the end of our regular battles, I’m really going to miss the camaraderie and sense of groupness that we have collectively developed over the past decade, not to mention the songs that someone brings to us to evaluate each week.

I certainly do hope that someone (Larry, perhaps?) will come up with some form of regular music battle that we can continue well into the future, even just to enjoy and comment on from week to week, without so much record keeping and statistical analysis as Darren has done over all these years.

That brings us to Darren. Darren, good friend, I am simply amazed and deeply appreciative of all the dedicated work and statistical analysis you have put into our weekly, year-end, and cumulative battle history. We numbers geeks have truly appreciated your labor of love for the BOTBs and your deep sense of respect for the integrity of these games. For good reason our BOTBs page became a long running institution here on Brian’s website and helped keep us coming back regularly to the legendary “Blueboard” and its more recent information-filled versions.

So to all of you here, I hope this is not a musical “Adios” (queue up Brian and Linda Ronstadt here) but simply an opportunity to pause and find renewed energy for our weekly conversations and to continue to explore and appreciate interesting music in some fashion that is not too burdensome to administer but simply to enjoy and discuss.
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Could NOT have said it any better than Tom just did.

We have lost some people along the way who regularly participated. It bothers me to this day that I never tried to connect with Thomas Bedford one-to-one and I certainly had my opportunities. I still want to try something with the R&RHOF in Cleveland..

Still wondering what Larry may cook up.

We'll see.

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Larry Franz

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This is what I came up with. It or something similar might be worth a try:

Anyone who wants to start a battle can post it whenever they want. More than one battle can run at the same time.

All battles and playoffs run for (roughly) seven days (the site tells you when the first post in a thread was seven days ago).

The battle's host selects 4 songs, including at least one performed or written by a past or present member of the Beach Boys (or a spouse, child, next door neighbor, etc.).

A 1st place vote gets a song 4 points, 2nd place gets it 3 points, etc.

If you don't vote for a particular song in a battle, it doesn't get any points. Tie votes aren't allowed.

If there is a tie at the end of the battle, the host for that battle decides which song wins.

The winner of each battle is eligible for a playoff at the end of the month.

Points will be awarded the same way. If there were 5 winners that month, a 1st place vote in the monthly playoff gets a song 5 points; etc. If you don't vote for a song, it doesn't get points. Tie votes aren't allowed. If songs are tied at the end of the playoff, the tied songs are co-winners for that month.

The winners of the monthly playoffs are eligible for a year-end playoff. Points will be awarded the same way as before. If there were 12 monthly battles, a 1st place vote gets 12 points. If songs are still tied at the end, the tied songs are co-winners for the year.

Songs that win the end of year playoff are retired. The 10 songs that were retired during the first version of the battle are also retired:

Don’t Worry Baby
God Only Knows
Good Vibrations
I Get Around
In My Room
Surfer Girl
Surf’s Up
The Warmth of the Sun
‘Til I Die
Wouldn’t It Be Nice


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Tom Tobben

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Larry, your suggestion for a new, simplified battle scheme sounds fine with me if others also agree to it! And if you prefer to simplify it further, that’s fine too as far as I’m concerned. To me, the music, the discussions, and the basic results are what are most interesting.

I’m on vacation in Hawaii with only my iPhone now, but once I get home to my computer and calendar I’d be happy to post a weekly/annual calendar like in the past. That might help to keep us organized, avoid duplicate/multiple battles in the same week and avoid long stretches without a weekly battle.

I hope other regulars here are still interested in carrying on in whatever manner the BOTBs become going forward.

And just think, Darren, you can participate as often or infrequently as you wish, with or without comments, and never have to tabulate a result or provide another summary analysis!

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Of course, anything we try would be a work in progress. The monthly playoff might be too often -- although it would be easy to do -- but I couldn't think of an easier way to create a yearly playoff with a reasonable number of entries.


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Someone could say, hey gang, let's have a playoff, if we haven't done it in a while. 


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Tom Tobben

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I like the idea of a simplified monthly playoff with one overall winner, and at the end of the year one overall final playoff among all the monthly winners. No tin, bronze, silver, or preliminary finals to tally up, just one overall championship round of the monthly winners at the end of the year. That should keep it very simple with no elaborate spreadsheets to maintain, like Darren had to do under the original rules.

Unless, of course, somebody wants to do all that record keeping.
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Al Forsyth

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Quarterly or trianually playoffs.
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Verden McCutcheon

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Hard to believe 10 years has got behind us."The sun is the same in a relative way but were older"-Pink Floyd....Thank you Darren for all the work you did keeping the battle alive for a decade..JOB WELL DONE  MATE....but i agree that it has perhaps run its course.It was a great forum to get to know the real music lovers out there and to discover new music that i would never have heard if not for the weekly battles.
 

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Al Forsyth

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BIG YES to Darren for taking this on when it was merely set up as a positive distraction here.  Every year I appreciated more-and-more what you put into this!  I know that I spent quite a bit of time setting up my weeks, but you were there for EVERY week. May it live on, but the founder of this (Not Chris, but YOU) spirit will remain with it into the next incarnation. 

THIS year I got totally back into researching The Outsiders (from a Cindy) week and I'm talking a LOT of time studying.  They were amazing!  Then there was Darren's use with First Aid Kit - that blew me away. They are amazing. I was on my Bananarama kick from this summer and used them in my battle - but they LOST! youtube.com/watch?v=5XnokrDyQhc  Those 80's - the worst decade, excluding what we just went through of course. 

We lost Thomas and Rosemary and some others along the way.  Life isn't always fair.  BUT the battles were kept perfectly.  I'm also in favor of ties, what Paul A called AN EQUAL on his tie - loved that! 

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Darren, it's such a strange feeling to be saying goodbye to the Battle, but as everyone has said, appropriate.

On first coming to this site it was the Battle that captured me. Like Cindy I was excited to see what had been posted and to listen to such a range of music, both songs in the battle and what was shared afterwards. What a neat bunch of people to hang out with. I see Paul shockingly used the 'n' word to describe us (I don't know what you're talking about ...) 

I still miss t.

Thanks so much for creating such a great little cyber spot for us to gather. Many many hours of dedication and keeping things orderly and accurate was what really made it work for us so long. You'd make a fabulous secretary for the Queen or bomb detonator, Darren, if you're considering a change of career.

I'll be back to vote on the Battle of the Decade later. It's going to take a little consideration.





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A big question is how many people would participate. Verden says he's done. With Bonnie suggesting we should stop, would anyone from the Southern Hemisphere still show up?

Would a simpler format encourage anyone to return or participate for the first time? (Probably not)

Short of doing interviews and signing contracts, probably the best way to find out is to do it and see what happens. We can post new rules on the Main Forum, of course, to see if that helps.

Al -- I know you like ties but I ruled them out because it makes scoring simpler. So that's one vote for and one against.

As for playoffs, I think it depends on how many battles there are. Doing it every month does seem too often. Quarterly playoffs sounds good (winter, spring, summer, fall?). Maybe take the top two songs from each playoff to make the end of year playoff more interesting? Eight songs would be about right. 

You're supposed to have 18 people for a baseball game. At least two for a tennis match. 


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The only way to know is give it a try, and see if you're playing tennis, baseball or futbal.
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al - for the record,
i don't wear a tie.
i do possess a few vintage kippers and stringythinones,
but they do not adorn my neck.
i like the flambouyant idea of a tie,
allowing a touch of self-expression to those who wish to,
but hold the required habit of wearing a drab bit of uniform
as one of humankind's less appealing traits.
fortunately, i wasn't required to wear one at work
and it was only really eer a work necessity for court appearances.
i did get taken aside one time by a squirmy health service middle manager
(i was seconded into a multi-disciplinary team, not employed by nhs)
who  took it upon hiimself to deplore my band related t shirt under my shirt,
claiming images on clothing were inappropriate...).

i have a couple of collarless shirts which i can wear
properly and neatly to resist wearing a tie with my suit
on the few occasions it sees the light of day.

my favouritest is black with a lyric illustration
'i call your name' 
(a 1964 lennnon song from the beatles 'long tall sally' ep).
a

it's part of a collection (limited edition, i think) of beatle lyrics designs.
no idea if it's now valuable.
wasn't cheap and i wish i'd been able to afford more, not to wear,
but i chose the most appealing design.

the song was initially a hit for billy j kramer and the dakotas
the previous year
- in truth, a more raunchy (in early 60's terms) version


one of those songs from their rapidly growing catalogue
that was a recorded by other beat groups and solo artists early on.
but, at least, the moptops did release their own version.

no apologies for this tangential flurry of verbiage.
i'm sort of thinking that,
since the blueboard was revamped and listed in categories,
the kind of loose chats we had
which could be construed as 'off topic',
which were crucial to bonding as blueboarders,
was dissipated.
and i miss that.
i do firmly believe that 'everything connects',
nothing's irrelevant,
even the most irreverant,
and i just love threads that meander off and reconnect somehow,
whether an anecdote sparked by a recollection,
a song lyric, 
crummy puns...

i'd suggest we ask admin for a discrete / indiscreet category
where we can burble away like this,
sharing new finds / old favourites / anecdotes and treasured baubles.
without the constraints of the boxes supplied.
djr made a very strong and accepted case for this 'botb' category to be established.
i think that intense competition has had its day,
but don't want to lose the camaraderie we enjoy (or is it endure?) here.

rant over.
cheers


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paul g adsett

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al - for the record,
i don't wear a tie.
i do possess a few vintage kippers and stringythinones,
but they do not adorn my neck.
i like the flambououoyant idea of a tie,
allowing a touch of self-expression to those who wish to,
but hold the required habit of wearing a drab bit of uniform
as one of humankind's less appealing traits.
fortunately, i wasn't required to wear one at work
and it was only reallya work necessity for court appearances.
i did get taken aside one time by a squirmy health service middle manager
(i was seconded into a multi-disciplinary team, not employed by nhs)
who  took it upon himself to deplore my band related t shirt under my shirt,
claiming images on clothing were inappropriate...).

i have a couple of collarless shirts which i can wear
properly and neatly to resist wearing a tie with my suit
on the few occasions it sees the light of day.

my favouritest is black with a lyric illustration
'i call your name' 
(a 1964 lennnon song from the beatles 'long tall sally' ep).
a

it's part of a collection (limited edition, i think) of beatle lyrics designs.
no idea if it's now valuable.
wasn't cheap and i wish i'd been able to afford more, not to wear,
but i chose the most appealing design.

the song was initially a hit for billy j kramer and the dakotas
the previous year
- in truth, a more raunchy (in early 60's terms) version


one of those songs from their rapidly growing catalogue
that was a recorded by other beat groups and solo artists early on.
but, at least, the moptops did release their own version.

no apologies for this tangential flurry of verbiage.
i'm sort of thinking that,
since the blueboard was revamped and listed in categories,
the kind of loose chats we had
which could be construed as 'off topic',
which were crucial to bonding as blueboarders,
was dissipated.
and i miss that.
i do firmly believe that 'everything connects',
nothing's irrelevant,
even the most irreverant,
and i just love threads that meander off and reconnect somehow,
whether an anecdote sparked by a recollection,
a song lyric, 
crummy puns...

i'd suggest we ask admin for a discrete / indiscreet category
where we can burble away like this,
sharing new finds / old favourites / anecdotes and treasured baubles.
without the constraints of the boxes supplied.
djr made a very strong and accepted case for this 'botb' category to be established.
i think that intense competition has had its day,
but don't want to lose the camaraderie we enjoy (or is it endure?) here.

rant over.
cheers


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