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John B

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Yeah, and they should prop up the corpse of Jack Rieley at stage left.  Some hippy could wave off flies.

I'm always surprised that "Holland" seems to keep getting love.  Terrific biographer Peter Carlin of 'Catch a Wave' even called it his favorite Beach Boys album (in the DVD documentary 'Brian Wilson songwriter, Pt. 2, 1969-1982'--highly recommended!). 

Yes, it has 'Sailor', which is a classic, but isn't it one of the most 'dated' albums the group ever made?  A song called 'Funky Pretty'? (and that's one of only two full Brian songs?).  A melodramatic spoken word poem about an old incestious eagle?  Another song about 'the congregation with Country Joe singing about liberty in the open air, we're all one big family...' Peace Love and Beads cliche's indeed--as Ken Nolan said.  and for Dennis fans, after no contributions on 'Surf's Up' because Jack Riley was worried the hippies might dump out their sticks and seeds if Dennis actually sang a rock and roll song on a Beach Boys record.  So, (after Carl &'s 'Cuddle Up' and 'Make it Good'), Dennis contributes no, not "River Song" and not even "Holy Man," but 'Only With You' and 'Steamboat'?  Carl bores with The Trader (jeweled crown...?  The Trader lived in Pasadena!).  and there's 'Leaving This Town'.  Yawn.  The best music is little snippets in a fairy tale, right?

Maybe it's because I was never a hippy but I don't agree with this suggestion.  Would Brian's participation in this 'Holland' group be as limited as before, while the others kiss hippy rear-end?  

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kds

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While you're entitled to your opinion about the Holland record, I think you're a tad off base with your suggestion to prop up Jack Reiley's corpse.  

IMO, Holland's lyrics are no more dated than the surf/car songs of the early 1960s.  But the arrangements are still timeless.  

I thought you'd really like Holland given that Bruce Johnston isn't on it.  [smile]  
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John B

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If it made a few extra bucks, I think Mike's goodtime Beach band would prop up Dennis and Carl's corpses for their state fair/remember when concerts.  I once said about Bruce's 'Here Comes the Night' extended disco remix, that the group would sell their mothers to organized crime if they thought it would make them higher on the charts.  (Wilsons excluded). 

By the way, Jack deserves criticism.  So many lies, you know, and also, so many great Beach Boys songs (filling up 100$+ retro Capital money grab boxed sets for decades to come) left off records simply because they were not hippy enough at the time.  Am I going to say it?  I don't mind.  His lyrics are MUCH more dated than the Beach Boys car songs.  MUCH.  Car culture survives even in Oklahoma and Texas, there's this show on TV called 'Counting Cars'--I don't see one called 'Counting Hippies'; and surf culture survives in California; flower power and living off the land, one big family around a campfire of chubby white people who don't have to work?...not so much.  (thankfully).  I suspect Joe has some of this left, when I hear 'you got to love everyone,' though, I think, Isis too? Osama ?  Really?  I guess I had to be there, so glad I wasn't.  You know not long after 'Holland' and the Pieces lady song and the country Joe hippy congregation song, you had punk rock and new wave, and I thank all make-believe deities for that-- that's for gosh darn sure.

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B.D. Ponce IV

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Hey Everyone,
                      Thanks for your comments and feedback! Sorry if I missed a few bars getting back to you.
It is interesting for me to understand how my views fit in(or not) with other fans of Brian's Music.                      
                     
                     Thanks also MaryNYS for begetting this thread. By the way, does NYS stand for New York State? FYI I am a native New Yorker - Kings County! I don't remember it much at all we moved far away when I was very young. Still I do have family there and intend to visit again one day.

                      Cantina Margarita - It Was your comment about John Lennon that I was alluding with regard to The Last Song. BTW how is Krapp  tape #2 sounding? I believe that I am beginning to mentally compile something like that at this point.
                                       
                       I have yet to get a new copy of the vinyl edition. But that should happen in another week or so I suspect. Vinyl in the morning is a wholesome way to start the day[smile]
                     
    And Thorgil, that's a good one !!! Holland as a band name- (a phonetic anagram for Land Ho). 
Certainly a purge for the Beach Boys.
Thankfully, I have a  mint copy which I'll need to spin right now...
                                           
                                            ( ....walks over to the turntable....)  
                           That would be quite the maneuver - re-embracing Holland!

    It should freeze off any  commercial vibes that might be subconsciously trying to take control.
I need to hear how it sonic-ally compares to NPP.  Maybe Sebu's beard is  sacrament of what's on Brian's agenda!? 


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artknarf

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I love the album. three or four of the songs are really amazing, right now One Kind of Love is knocking me out every time! classic Brian
the seemingly simple is so deep and enjoyable what a great tune! 
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pvanachter@hotmail.com.

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It's father's in Belgium today.
I receive the CD No Pier Pressure. It's realy a piece or art.
Thank you so mutch for this unique piece or music.
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thorgil

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Yes, NPP is a piece of art. Like with most true art, it's going to take a while before it's appreciated as it should, but people will spin it after most of the other top 200 in Billboard are forgotten.
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Lee Marshall

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Good for you John B.  You can walk the high-wire.  Mike and Bruce already prop up the late Carl and Dennis.  Good for them.  And they do it w/o sticks.  Many in the crowd would really have NO idea who they are/were...let alone poor old Jack.  They prop up Brian too...just by singing his songs.

You are more than welcome to not listen to Holland.  I, on the other hand, will continue to appreciate the evolution.  W/O Jack Rielly I doubt there'd be as many people HERE [and elsewhere] discussing the Beach Boys tonight...or tomorrow.  The Beach Boys, otherwise, might have been but a notch above Gary Puckett and the Union Gap or maybe the Lovin Spoonful...and pretty much meaningless to the masses post 1966. 

It's not so much the chapters of the story as much as it is the journey my friend.  The journey...thankfully...continues.  The concerts AND...'No Pier Pressure'.  And Love and Mercy.  And books.  And there's more to come.

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John B

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Gary Puckett?!  Let's get this straight.  You are saying that without Jack Rieley (and by connection, royal Beach Boys other than Brian and Dennis--hippy rear-end kissing), the Beach Boys would now be thought of as no greater than Gary Puckett.   Come on, now--what an overstatement of the importance of Jack R.!  I'll just let that wrong-headed analogy speak for itself.
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John B

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'Holland' at its best is great, but it's not great very often.  How could it be with so little Brian and Dennis involvement?   Those 'Holland' lovers, Goomba, if that's you, please explain what makes it better than 'Surf's Up', 'Sunflower,' '20/20',' 'Friends,'  & 'Wild Honey.'?  I'm waiting.  So, love it all you like, praise it all you like, but when it was released, except for 'So Tough,' it was the Beach Boys' 2nd worst album since 1967. 
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John B

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I like '15 Big Ones' better, and 'Love You' and 'Pacific Ocean Blue' MUCCHHHH better.

By Dennis standards, 'Only With You' is pretty bland.
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John B

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I would also like to argue, if 'Sunflower' is better than 'Surfs Up'--and other than 2 songs on the latter, I think it is, than Jack Rieley earns his cred with you guys...exactly how?  Was it one of the stories about winning Emmys for '60 Minutes'?
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John B

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You are essentially giving him credit for 'correcting' the group's terrible artistic mistakes, you know, making 'Sunflower' their 2nd or 3rd best album.  Jack taught them how to apologize to Jimmy Hendrix (about surfing) who would soon be dead?  Jack (and you) apparently did not know that the hippies would not be totalitarian dictators of pop culture and style forever.  That, in fact, 'American Graffiti' and then 'Endless Summer' and 'Spirit of America' and then 'Rock n Roll Music' made the group as popular again as ever based on nothing Jack did.  Nada.  Zilch.
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kds

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One thing you have to admit, John, is that Jack Rieley tried to make The Beach Boys relevant and somewhat successfully kept them from becoming a nostalgia act....or least temporarily.  


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John B

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=he placated/suqed up to the hippies.  You believe that was a good decision.  I respecfully dissent.

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