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Lee Marshall

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True now Debbie.  100%  No question.  No doubt.  Back then though?  Brian was virtually awol with there being absolutely ZERO/NO sense that he was participating meaningfully or that he would EVER, in fact, return.  The Beach Boys were gonna have to make it OR break it w/o the primary Wilson brother.  That's when Carl and Dennis [and Jack at Brian Wilson's urging] stepped up to the plate.  Mike?  Al?  Bruce?  THEY weren't gonna get 'er done or serve it up.  Why?  Simple.  And it remains the case today...They didn't have the 'tools'.  As a matter of FACT Bruce left the group and this was when they were considered to be the very BEST that they have EVER been...LIVE.

I am not going to stand back and allow a guy who wasn't even around at the time to piss on Jack's contribution to the cause.  A VERY successful contribution I might add.  A contribution which kept the Beach Boys floating for close to 10 years.  [and, as a result, impacts on the fact that they MADE IT through til now.]

Jack Rielly was AND IS important to the Beach Boys LONG TERM.
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John B

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If he was your personal friend, Mr. Marshall, I will definetly hold my opinion on this subject more to myself.  Otherwise, you should be aware that some people like the songs I am mentioning (that your friend did not help get released).   Further, was Rieley a friend to Dennis?  or was he antagonistic to Dennis?   If the latter, really, what good he brought to the group was in context, neglegible.
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Debbie KL

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Lee:  

Gads, am I misunderstanding, or are you saying that I was somehow diminishing Jack Reilly's contribution?

My point was about the touring band keeping them going.  I did see them in 1969 without Brian standing on the stage, and they were absolutely excellent.  It was fun seeing Desper working the soundboard.  I can't remember when I saw them do the Whiskey show, but that was great too.  All of the shows I saw after that were when Brian was performing.  But even if Brian wasn't standing on the stage, his music was ever-present.  No Brian, no successful tour, as far as I'm concerned, on that point alone.
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John B

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no no no!  Not you, He meant me.!  Sorry, Debbie.
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Debbie KL

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Ah, got it, John B.  I'm easily confused it appears.  Is there a quote function on this Board I haven't found because that would be so helpful?...
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Lee Marshall

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Debbie...we're good.  John Boat...Rielly was there because Brian wanted him there.  The band was just and simply well past passe.  He got them more in tune with the 70's...although they seemingly only had the 60s to bring to the table.  If it wasn't for Mike, Bruce and gullible Al to out vote Carl and Denny and an awol Brian...things would have been hipper...not hippier.

You're WAY too young to know what you're referring to.  You are, in fact, wrong.
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Debbie KL

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Yes, John B - we were so cool then I could barely handle myself, never mind anyone else...
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kds

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John,

You're 100% right that the TAMI Show and The "Lost Concert" are great performances, and probably the best example of the original Beach Boys available.   

But, times change, and all of the great bands in history have, in one way or another, evolved.  The Beatles chose to evolve in the studio and not even try to replicate what they were doing in a live venue.  The Who and The Stones evolved from doing three minute singles to full fledged hard rock albums.  The Beach Boys incorporated their trademark harmonies into more adult themes.

I agree with Lee that, if not for Jack Rieley, The Beach Boys probably would've faded away at some point in the 70s.  They'd probably still exist today as one of those 60s bands, playing the summer circuits with maybe one original member.........Oh wait.  
And I think the Gary Puckett comparison was just an example.  But, had The Beach Boys not tried to do something different in the 70s, they'd basically be lumped in with the other 60s groups whose relevance ended after 1966.  Maybe Gerry and the Pacemakers and Herman's Hermits work better for you?  
 
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