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t bedford

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I love music with a lot of interwoven moving parts, vocally, and/or instrumentally. Here’s a few:

Beach Boys - Good To My Baby


Dion & the Belmonts - I Wonder Why


The Marcels - Blue Moon


Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers - Why Do Fools Fall in Love




For cut & paste purposes:

Beach Boys - Good To My Baby

Dion & the Belmonts - I Wonder Why

The Marcels - Blue Moon

Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers - Why Do Fools Fall in Love


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I wonder what was the quickest vote in the history of the battle. (I'm sure it was less than 18 minutes.)

Gold -- "Good To My Baby" -- I used this in the battle once

Silver -- "I Wonder Why" -- Terrific

Bronze -- "Why Do Fools Fall In Love" -- I prefer the Beach Boys version.

Pewter -- "Blue Moon" -- Not bad at all.


Obviously not as many moving parts, but these parts are worth hearing on their own: "Good To My Baby" backing track

youtube.com/watch?v=kk0adxnUI4k

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Lee Marshall

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Beach Boys - Good To My Baby

Dion & the Belmonts - I Wonder Why

The Marcels - Blue Moon

Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers - Why Do Fools Fall in Love

That's the order *t* posted them in.  AND, in addition, THAT'S my order of preference .

Why?

Beach Boys - Good To My Baby...Always thought that this was one of the 'better' songs on a very good album.  Lyrically?  It's a little stupid...but those aren't the parts our Hero sings.  What a night and day contrast in terms of vocal abilities.  There's no comparison.  One guy is all musical...the other?  ALL nose.

Dion & the Belmonts - I Wonder Why - Just like 'the Boys'...I always liked Dion.  Still do.  [not that THIS is a lyrical tour de force.]  Dion was  F A R  better on his own.  Still is.

The Marcels - Blue Moon.  It's O.K.  Not 'fantabulous' but O.K.  Almost the poster 'child' for a genre.  [a genre which was bettered.]

Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers - Why Do Fools Fall in Love - Is there an artist [or artists] who've recorded this song who haven't done it better?  I don't think so.  Seems to me I battled this song against itself a year or two... ... ...or three... ... ...ago.

I'll bet I voted Beach Boys, Ben Zeppa, 4 Seasons...and this one LAST.  [as it is... ... ...again.] [crazy]



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Gold - The Beach Boys - Often when fans discuss Today, Side 2 with the ballads gets all the love.   But this track from Side 1 is brilliant.  

Silver - The Marcels - Essential doo wop track

Bronze - Frankie Lymon - Very good song.   

Tin - Dion

Here's a little lost nugget in rock history.   Jokers Wild, featuring a pre Pink Floyd David Gilmour, doing Why Do Fools Fall in Love

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4 classics--a near impossibility to pick one as 'better' than the others.  I'll have to listen at home and see what strikes me...It won't be the same as hearing them the first time, though.
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I'll bet I voted Beach Boys, Ben Zeppa, 4 Seasons...and this one LAST


From Week 5 last year, Lee....

Gold?  This was easy as pie for me.  I own it on vinyl.  I own it on the Vol. 2 cd and in stereo on one of those incessant Beach Boys compilations.  THIS is the version.  The rest follow as also-rans.  Minor leaguers, by comparison, each and every one.  When it comes to THIS song...Brian and the Boys  O W N  it.

Silver...Ben.  I have a clean version in my collection.  This particular snap, crackle, pop, rice crispies/bacon frying version aside...Ben was a similar age to Frankie [not Valli] and, I think,  pounds him vocally. The backing track also rocks where the original is kind of half-assed to me.

Bronze.  OK...but only by a nostril hair...I'll go with teenager Frankie.  I don't care if it's a classic.  The performance isn't all that great.  Not sure if it's the 1956 era production values or just the...well...sort of.... lack of talent.  13 year olds!!!! [rolleyes]

And then...following in dead last place, but only by l < THAT much, the other Frankie.  I too generally quite enjoy most of the 4 Seasons output but THIS version is the necessary exception to that 'rule'.  Still ... it beats the Diana Ross attempt.  What ?  Me?  Not a Ms. Ross fan?  You betcha!!!  If she was a flower she'd be a snap dragon.  Oh...and her real name is Diane...not Diana.  Mary Wilson and I had a talk.


When it made the Silver Play-Off, you voted it 9th, Lee. 

When it was used in Week 1 of Season II (Al Forsyth), you gave it your Silver. 

I take it then that you must hate 'Barbara Ann' by The Regents and 'Bluebirds Over the Mountain' by Ersel Hickey (the respective Bronze and Tin that week).  

It made the Silver Play-Off that season, too. You didn't vote. 

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Okay,  Darren (and Lee) make me rush my vote! (because I ...don't know what the heck they are talking about).

1. "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?"

the greatest song here, and this teenager wrote it.  His voice is great--Ronnie Spector credits him as major vocal influence.   and the lyrics?  Easily the best here, especially those bridges. 

2. "Good to My Baby"

not sure this is better than my 3rd choice, but yes, it carries the modernity and skill and confidence of the rocker side of one of my favorite albums so...hard choice, but 2nd.

3. "I Wonder Why" by Dion & the Belmonts

great song, and would place it higher than ...any song Dion sings now about his, er, imaginary friend standing in the clouds with sandals and what not. 

4. "Blue Moon"

dang and dang, points for changing the melody--of a song renowned for its melody.  but that's just me.  the original melody was better, as Jan & Dean knew.  Still, absolutely classic for its genre and time.

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John B -- If I may interject, they are talking about Lee's opinion of "Why Do Fools Fall In Love", as expressed in this and in former battles, and Darren asked about two other originals of songs the Beach Boys covered. 


Something is going on here, but is it enough?

Dion (no Belmonts) -- "Lovers Who Wander"
youtube.com/watch?v=Vcse4gcz0Y4

The Four Seasons -- "C'mon Marianne"
youtube.com/watch?v=tqupS8x0i1c

The Flaming Lips -- "Battling Voices From Beyond" (semi-available video)
youtube.com/watch?v=oFYMxeJ6YI8

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Got this. Two monster songs and I don't want to label WDFFIL doo wop anymore. Good To My Baby isn't either.

Gold to Dion and the boys. Amazing song and sound.
Silver - and again, a.classic. to Frankie and the boys.
Bronze - to Brian and the boys. Good song.
Tin - to the Marcels - too goofy a version but IS the closest to doo wop.

T, two great ones this week. We'll see how it plays out.

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So Darren...I guess Frankie has fallen that I< in my current estimation.  Regents?  Awful.  I'm not all that 'BIG' on the Party version either...although I SO enjoy the tom-foolery employed when you hear them wrap it up on the album version.  An Ersel?  No.  A Hickey?  Yup...or at least back when I was a young fella.

Now for the good stuff...









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Do what?  Doo wop?

Huey Lewis and the News, in a very dated clip.  



This is worth listening to. Gorgeous. 




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I’m not big on themes because I think they severely restrict choices and often lead to uneven battles, but these are all worthy.

Gold - Good to My Baby (The Beach Boys - 1965)
Motors along with average lyrics. Probably my favourite era Beach Boys.

Silver - Blue Moon (The Marcels - 1961)
Recognised as a classic, I can’t remember listening to this record in full before. I toed-and-froed between this and ‘I Wonder Why’ for a few days. But this is the tune I found myself whistling afterwards.

Bronze - I Wonder Why (Dion and the Belmonts - 1958)
I probably heard this song the first time when Nicholas Cage sang it in his doo-wop group that featured Jim Carrey in the movie Peggy Sue Got Married. ‘A Teenager in Love’ would’ve gotten my Gold.

Participant - Why Do Fools Fall in Love (Frankie Lymon & the Teenagers - 1956)
Third time. Aren’t we sick of this? I know Brian loves this record. He listed it in his Top 10 Singles Of All Time (in Mojo, 1997). But I've often wondered what the fuss was all about. Didn't like the song whether it be Frankie Lymon or Diana Ross or The Beach Boys. And then I heard the touring Beach Boys do it in November, 2007. It was probably the highlight of a great show. Switching TV stations about three weeks ago one night, I noticed Little Richard taking the witness stand and started watching Why Do Fools Fall in Love, a biopic on the messed up Lymon. When I saw what he did to the dog, I switched off. If that really happened, he can burn. 

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Too much or not enough?

Elvis Presley -- "Too Much"
youtube.com/watch?v=GPc8XNtlDk4

Elvis Costello & the Attractions -- "Goon Squad"
youtube.com/watch?v=Bo5MLolgMWk

Ariel Pink -- "One Summer Night"
youtube.com/watch?v=HzaLnmO_aiY

The Orlons -- "Don't Hang Up"
youtube.com/watch?v=OY-v97BNVCQ

10cc -- "Sand In My Face"
youtube.com/watch?v=0OJKkzAgE48

Love -- "Seven and Seven Is"
youtube.com/watch?v=Ntnkjw2mDWA


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t bedford

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Thanks for the votes Larry, Lee, kds, John B, Al, & Darren.

Larry, “Too Much” immediately qualifies as doo wop. “Seven and Seven Is”...not so much.

Lee, thanks especially for “Toy Bell”...never knew that Chuck absconded with it.

kds, thanks for the Joker’s Wild/Gilmore track. Was never aware of it.

John B, thanks for the (always insightful) comments.

Al, I think “Good to My Baby is very doo wop, except, of course, that there’s too much instrumentation.

bonnie, really enjoyed The Magnets take on a Gabriel classic.

Darren, do you realize that “Blue Moon” is from 1934 and written by Richard Rodgers & Lorenz Hart? And I don’t wanna know the Lymon “dog” story.

Obviously not doo wop, but lots of moving parts.
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If you check the record label *t*...you'll notice that Toy Bell was written by Dave Batholomew.  Yes THAT Dave Bartholomew.  Fats Domino's long time friend, compatriot and music director obviously had a nudge, nudge/wink, wink sense of humour.

I had the pleasure of spending an afternoon with Dave and Fats at the Ontario Place Forum back in the mid to later '80s.  They were headlining a show there and I was fortunate enough to serve as the MC...  We had a ton of time to kill.  We did NOT play with our ding-a-lings.  [Fats tinkled the ivories though.]

Two truly fine gentlemen I MUST add.
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