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Ang Jones

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I was not suggesting for a minute that the victim having drunk too much means she was to blame for the rape. I found it wrong to sue the casino for selling her too much alcohol. If she considers it wrong to get drunk she is as much IF NOT MORE to blame for that as the casino. She presumably CHOSE to buy this alcohol - it wasn't forced down her throat by the casino. Would you consider it OK had Scott sued the casino for selling him alcohol and tried to blame his subsequent behaviour on that?

Of course she may have been advised by her solicitor but that is a cop out too. It's advice she took and it brought her a lot of money. Rape is wrong - the victim being drunk doesn't excuse it, the perpetrator being drunk doesn't excuse it. But trying to blame being drunk on the person who sold the alcohol is IMO a refusal to face up to personal responsibility and it infantilises anyone who does it. The casino may have legal responsibility not to sell too much alcohol to customers but let's get real here. Some people can become drunk a lot more quickly than others. There are several people selling - hard to keep tabs on how much someone has had. And for all we know she may have got some alcohol from the mini bar in her room.

There are two issues here. The rape and her suing the casino for selling her too much alcohol. It's the second one for which I have no sympathy for the victim. 

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Disgusting that he's been released so early.

Here's hoping that he doesn't set foot in the BW band ever again.

I noticed that there's a fundraising page for Scott which a lot of the band and others (David Marks) were writing messages of support on. Left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth, if I'm honest.
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Being politically correct is hard work.  One really has to be dishonest in order to keep it up.  I'm too lazy to lie.
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I'm reading some of this in disbelief. This is 2017. And correct me if I'm wrong but I'm reading comments blaming the victim. What's next? Her dress was too short? I understand that within the band and among former band members he has support from some of those who know him. As someone who does not I can't judge them. But come on, this was not an aquital. Her allegations were tried in court and there was video- something that is almost never available in these cases. Saying that the victim of a rape is somehow partly responsible for drinking too much?? On another note when this story broke, one of the NY tabloids mistakenly listed Brian as the one who was convicted on their website. I was traveling by train at that moment and I called them for hours until they corrected it on their site. This was something that was just not fair for Brian to have to have happen at all.
I think Ang explained this in her post to your comment above - There are two issues that were being discussed here.  I don't see where ANYone is blaming the victim for 'asking for it'...perhaps for letting her guard down, and for that she should not be suing (if that's true).

Like Al said, it's about responsibility.  And I THINK that's Lee's biggest beef (jeez, it's hard to be PC for ya, Lee) [wink]  And I saw the fundraising page too, Nick - I felt exactly the same.  Giving a person a second chance is one thing, but to help pay to defend themselves - when they are guilty!?!

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Scott Bennett is a rapist, and found to be guilty of that crime.

If his victim wants to sue the casino for over-serving her, that's her business - it doesn't change the fact that Scott Bennett attacked her and sexually assaulted her. Whether he was drunk, or whether he was sober, he's a rapist.

I've met the guy too - Just because he's humoured me in a conversation about SMiLE for 15 minutes, it doesn't make him a decent person.

What really turned my stomach about that fundraising page was the outpouring of praise for the man 'such an amazing person', and even a member of the BW band who I won't name, proclaiming 'cmon man, beat this thing!'...it makes you really question whether people understand the gravity of the situation. perhaps if it were a member of their family that this affected...

The only saving grace here is that he's now a registered sex offender, meaning his days as an overseas travelling musician are now behind him.






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The guy is very fortunate to be out of jail, that video was disturbing as well as incriminating.
I do hope he learns from this and gets a second chance, such a talented musician and such a waste of
The past 14 months. More importantly all the best for the victim.
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Incidental thought.   By all means sue the Indian Casino in Oklahoma.   If they are over-pouring and over-selling alcohol to already drunken people, a law suit could do the people of the State of Oklahoma good. 
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I think Ang explained this in her post to your comment above - There are two issues that were being discussed here.  I don't see where ANYone is blaming the victim for 'asking for it'...perhaps for letting her guard down, and for that she should not be suing (if that's true).

Like Al said, it's about responsibility.  And I THINK that's Lee's biggest beef (jeez, it's hard to be PC for ya, Lee) [wink]  And I saw the fundraising page too, Nick - I felt exactly the same.  Giving a person a second chance is one thing, but to help pay to defend themselves - when they are guilty!?!


Bugs, I have the utmost respect for you, but the last time I checked, one of the foundations of the American judicial system is that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. I don't see the problem with friends, family setting up a defense fund prior to adjudication.
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Bugs, I have the utmost respect for you, but the last time I checked, one of the foundations of the American judicial system is that a defendant is innocent until proven guilty. I don't see the problem with friends, family setting up a defense fund prior to adjudication.
You are TOO kind, RC (really).  I should've clarified: The funding page appeared current - to get his appeal processed, I believe.  None of us knew of the verdict (or the crime) until after the jury handed down their verdict in May '16 after all.

More clear? [smile]



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Yes, thank you for the Clarification. However, I still have no problem with fundraising even for an appeal hearing. Many verdicts are overturned on appeal and we know that many innocent people are sitting in American jails/prison. I think it's understandable that friends/family do not want to turn their backs on loved ones despite guilt or innocence. Not trying to be difficult here, but it's the lawyer coming out in me๐Ÿ˜›
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Yes, thank you for the Clarification. However, I still have no problem with fundraising even for an appeal hearing. Many verdicts are overturned on appeal and we know that many innocent people are sitting in American jails/prison. I think it's understandable that friends/family do not want to turn their backs on loved ones despite guilt or innocence. Not trying to be difficult here, but it's the lawyer coming out in me๐Ÿ˜›
I'm really messing up today - I don't believe it was for an appeal, rather to raise costs associated with the previous trial.  But I'm OBVIOUSLY not sure, so I'm going to look for it again.  I really don't want to post the link though.

This is at least what I was thinking.  I think.

More later.

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No worries๐Ÿ˜Š
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I'm really messing up today - I don't believe it was for an appeal, rather to raise costs associated with the previous trial.  But I'm OBVIOUSLY not sure, so I'm going to look for it again.  I really don't want to post the link though.

This is at least what I was thinking.  I think.

More later.
Well, I'm mostly wrong.  It WAS setup last year, yet most of the activity seems to be within the last 3-4 months.  One has to 'load more' to see the older (2016) activity.  It does say the costs were for "mounting an appeal." It also says the fund is for "pay[ing] for his own jail time and court costs [due to privatization]."

Back to your point - I don't have a problem with family and friends funding this (at all).  The part that soured me was seeing band members donate (I think - I didn't loiter) and quickly assuming this was for 'previous costs' (which is partly true, I suppose).

The whole thing just makes me sick though, so I'll probably leave the topic.

My fault, my bad. 

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Friends and family supporting really isn't a bad thing. 
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I feel bad for Scott...Frank Zappa made a living out of the line "Touring can make you crazy"..this is not an excuse for his behavior but perhaps a partial explanation. Bad judgement on both sides that night. I hope it can be put behind them...Jenny is as brave as that girl is.
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