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Darren J. Ray

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Deb, I used two of these songs in Season I – an indication of how much they mean to me. Thank you for including them again.

24 Carat Gold - Wichita Lineman (Glen Campbell - 1968)

The moment you’re in Officeworks and ‘Wichita Lineman’ starts playing and you realise that despite how many times you’ve heard it or sung it, it’s still the greatest f...... record of all time. Thank you, Jimmy Webb, Glen Campbell and Al De Lory. 
(This was a post I put on Facebook in July 2018, receiving 35 likes and plenty of favourable comments)

"And I need you more than want you. And I want you for all time." Has there ever been a better lyric? It seems like such a short song, but I've often cited this as my favourite record ever. It’s in that interchangeable Top 6 that I mentioned two weeks ago, along with ‘I Am the Walrus’ and ‘Imagine’. From Carole Kaye’s opening to the strings to the morse code organ to Glen's guitar solo, this is beyond brilliant. I first really got into this song when I purchased Glen Campbell's Twenty Golden Greats LP second-hand. This was, to me, the standout track. Started doing it in my shows, and the audience reaction was instantaneous. Plus the band loved playing it. It's a joy to sing, and you can do it differently each time. The chords are very Jimmy Webb - he used them in 'By the Time I Get To Phoenix' a year earlier and in 'Galveston' a year later yet neither song copies another. Have met the man and thanked him for this song especially. I’ve heard Jimmy recall the phone call he got from Glen, asking for a follow-up to ‘Phoenix’. "’Can you write us another song about a town?’ And I said, 'I'm not sure I want to write a song about a town right now. I think I've overdone that'. He said, 'Well, can you do something geographical?'”. (Jimmy’s impersonation of Glen on that phone call is hilarious.) I saw Glen do this live twice, and both times he got a standing ovation from some audience members mid-concert for that number (not me - I'm a bit bashful!). When Mojo voted their 100 Greatest Singles of All Time in 1997, amongst the Beach Boys, Beatles, Hendrix, Dylan and more Beatles, etc, there was 'Wichita Lineman' sitting at #49. That was a treat to see. I felt vindicated. 


Silver - Carolina In My Mind (James Taylor - 1976)
Just beautiful. And I'm not even a fan of James Taylor. In fact, I reckon I'd see him live just to hear this and would think about leaving quickly before he ruined it with 'Fire and Rain'! His late '60s Apple recording of it is good (and the Everlys promptly did a true to form cover of it), but this '76 re-recording is the one. I like the idiosyncratic lyrics (including his salute to the Beats - 'holy host of others') and the imagery of Taylor’s hometown. One of my favourite records ever.



Bronze - California Feelin' (The Beach Boys - 1974 & 1978/2014)
The best part of this is the group vocal.

Participant - Brooklyn Roads (Neil Diamond - 1968)
Dimo is stiff. He has plenty of songs that would rate highly with me. This isn’t one. A few weeks ago, I was contacted by a local promoter who told me he was producing a Neil Diamond tribute show, that he’d sacked his ‘Neil Diamond’ and asked me to step into the breach. Not being a fan, I wasn’t too keen until he told me what I’d be getting paid, and then it was a case of “Where do I sign?”. The first show was exactly three weeks after that phone call. I spent much of the intervening time listening to Hot August Night. I had to learn 10 songs, lyrics, chords and make up my own patter. I was dreading doing ‘Cherry Cherry’ as it was a song I wasn’t too familiar with. We get to the song and I started singing, “Daytime turns me off and I don’t mean maybe….” I think I’m doing great until I approach what is supposed to be the chorus to ‘Cherry Cherry’ and it dawns on me that I’m actually singing ‘Thank the Lord for the Night Time’, a song that not only wasn’t in the show but a song that the seven-piece band behind me had never heard of. You had to be there!


Thanks for posting ‘Morningtown Ride’ too, Deb. There are a few Judith Durham/Seekers fans here amongst us, of which I am an unabashed fan. It won the Silver in Week 16 of Season VII (Verden McCutcheon) and finished 6th in the Silver Play-Off. 
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was he even from Carolina?


He lived there for several years a child.  That was a surprise to me when he talked about it at a concert.
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James Taylor...benefits by generous overestimation of his talents, I think.

How about this?   Arena.com    just did a 'top 25 greatest rock n roll songwriters list'

and James came in at #20, yes, ahead of Goffen/King, Felice & Boudleaux Bryant and Barry Mann & Cynthia Weil, and Phil Spector/Ellie Greenwich/Jeff Barry, Bacharach & David, and John Fogarty, and Smokey and Bobs Gaudio & Crewe, and even so many more like Chuck Berry & Little Richard (who were unlisted...)

by virtue of: "He has written some of the greatest songs ever including 'Fire & Rain' (no problem there), 'You've got a Friend,' and 'How Sweet it Is.'   Really?  must have been uncredited for those other 2...


If KDS was still around, he would dismiss this list as it is, a fart in an elevator, but for the curious, Brian came in at #9, or just below Elton John, Bob Marley, Stevie Wonder, Joni Mitchell, Paul Simon, Lennon then McCartney, and Bob Dylan (#1).  Below Brian is Hank Williams, Bruce, Neil, Jaggar/Richards, Cash, Prince, Van Morrison, Stevie Nicks, James Brown, Buddy Holly, JAMES TAYLOR, Jack-0 (the 'smooth criminal'), Freddie with Queen, Eminem, and George Harrison.
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As you point out, John B, the invalidity of that list is borne out by crediting JT with those latter two songs and, indeed, placing him above all those writers and teams you mention.

Ludicrous and best ignored.  

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Originally Posted by John B

even someone like myself who has never been to NYC (I go for the 1st time this Christmas, so please send 'can't miss' suggestions!), knows Central Park and the Manhattan skyline and the Statue of Liberty would NOT be on 'Brooklyn Roads'. 

Some of this advice is serious, i.e. "get out of the way", but don't be afraid to ask for directions. Whether the directions will be accurate is another story, but New Yorkers usually love to give directions. (Hey, there's my old building again.)


Music to visit NYC by:

The Tradewinds -- "New York's A Lonely Town" (cheesy KRLA version)
youtube.com/watch?v=USzKI23v1ig

Owl City -- "New York City"
youtube.com/watch?v=bmdFMJWeO-c

Harry Nilsson -- "I Guess the Lord Must Be in New York City"
youtube.com/watch?v=Qa4An7uzPeg

The Kills -- "What New York Used To Be"
youtube.com/watch?v=zMcu_g8eWgY

R.E.M. -- "Leaving New York"
youtube.com/watch?v=FU_Qewdl6ck

Gene Kelly, Frank Sinatra and Jules Munshin '-- "New York, New York" from On the Town.


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great, thanks, Larry!  funny.  and helpful advice about NYC, and I do walk fast.  but what an insult to Staten Island.  what would the impractical jokers say about that?  
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Yeah, that statement is out of date. On the other hand, there aren't a whole lot of reasons to get off the ferry unless you live there. 

Lou Reed -- "Walk On the Wild Side"
youtube.com/watch?v=fOEz50T1VEQ

The Exception -- "The Girl From New York City"
youtube.com/watch?v=K7upTkxznfo

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John B., Go find your own New Yawk - it's different for everyone. It's good to try and catch a show on B-way. Incredible range of eateries. Of course get up to Strawberry Fields to pay tribute in the Park. Try to explore some of the sections within Manhattan and try not to look like a tourist especially if you visit "the tree". All kinds of good AND crazy things within the island. Go find what suits you. The NY Times always has some good info. The Statue you can see from Battery Park. It really is a walking city so get ready to ramble a bit. Good for you to go - it is intense. Also check and see what's going on at the Beacon Theater

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thanks, Al!  I don't like pizza.  But of course like everyone else I like Ronnie and Dion and Lenny Bruce and Paul & Art, and Lou, and Bob, and Scorcese and Copola and Sex & the City, and Seinfeld and the Ramones and the Impractical Jokers and Raging Bull and Somebody Up There Likes Me and Marty.   My wife likes NYC, she's been many times.   It's fast and stays up late like Beijing, I hear...
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Gold: Glen Campbell - “Wichita Lineman”.  Great combination ... Glen's voice, a  Webb song, Wrecking Crew backing ... clear Gold for me.
Silver: James Taylor –“Carolina in My Mind." 

Bronze: Neil Diamond – “Brooklyn Roads”.  Not one of his big hits ... but like the lyrics.
Tin: The Beach Boys – “California Feelin'". 
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Great discussion this week.  John B, if you go to NYC I recommend the Dakota Building and the John Lennon Strawberry Feilds memorial stone just across the road in Central Park. I went there to pay homage to the gift of music in general, and for my brother, a massive Lennon fan.

Anywhoo, thanks Deb for a challenging week with some exceptional music.

GOLD - Glen Campbell.  I don't like the whimsical intro, but after that, this song is pure gold. I watched the Glen Campbell documentary "I'll Be Me" earlier this year and found it heartbreaking and uplifting all at once. I agree with Darren, there are superb lyrics in this one that stab ya right in the heart.

SILVER - James Taylor.  Another really beautiful song. Taylor's voice is perfect here, and I'm not a big fan of him either. Perfectly encaptures that nostalgic feeling. 

BRONZE - TBB.  So pretty. Floats along on some beautiful harmonies. These boys totally understand these lyrics because they are singing about home and you can feel it. I'd love to see the orange groves in California. When I was there I just saw a lot of concrete.

TIN - Neil Diamond. Sad to place such a cool little song here. (And some incredible footage of Central Park and gorgeous NYC - Larry, I can see your office!) Great lyrics, a very personal story shared and it's a dang shame that it placed here this week. The competition was just too good.

A song about visiting your old home town, I always enjoy this one, but I know Darren won't be a fan.





Kids out driving Saturday afternoon just pass me by
And I'm just savouring familiar sights
We share some history, this town and I
And I can't stop that long-forgotten feeling of her

Try to book a room and stay tonight
Number one is to find some friends to say "you're doing well"
After all this time you boys look just the same
Number two is the happy hour at one of two hotels

Settle in to play "do you remember so and so?
Number three is never say her name
Oh the flame trees will blind the weary driver
And there's nothing else could set fire to this town

There's no change, there's no pace Everything within its place
Just makes it harder to believe that she won't be around
But oh who needs that sentimental bullshit, anyway
Takes more than just a memory to make me cry

And I'm happy just to sit here a table with old friends
And see which one of us can tell the biggest lies
And there's a girl falling in love near where the pianola stands
With a young local factory auto worker just holding hands

And I'm wondering if he'll go or if he'll stay
Do you remember, nothing stopped us on the field
In our day

Oh the flame trees will blind the weary driver
And there's nothing else could set fire to this town
There's no change, there's no pace
Everything within its place

Just makes it harder to believe that she won't be around
Oh the flame trees will blind the weary driver
And there's nothing else could set fire to this town
There's no change, there's no pace

Everything within its place
Just makes it harder to believe that she won't be around



One that reminds me of .... driving home for Christmas, although it's usually shorts and t-shirt weather.

Followed by "Welcome Home", a song that makes me feel proud to be a kiwi, Dave Dobbyn wrote this as a welcome to immigrants and as an anti-racism stance. The video is showcasing the stunning Evan's Bay in Wellington, a place that holds very special memories for me.














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Get your New York state of mind, John B., but Mrs. B can show you the way.

Larry, et al. - they're just made for clicking lists.

Know that Darren would go with Glen and Jimmy.

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Hey, Deb!  Whatcha doin' to me this week????   Three of the songs, I love and it's been hard to decide.  But, after considering those three, I have come to the conclusion to go with my heart on this.

Gold:  James Taylor for Carolina In My Mind.  This song is near and dear to my heart because my mom was born and raised in the Western part of NC.  We spent many vacations with her family there in Sylva and we took day trips to parts of the western side such as Cherokee and through the Great Smoky Mountain National Park to Gatlinburg, Tennessee.  If you love the mountains, this is a great place to go.  Loved the video to this as well.

Silver:  The Beach Boys for California Feelin'.  I think it's been a long time since I've listened to this one.  I enjoyed it and especially watching the video.  Only one problem... the guy wearing socks with flip flops.  Dude, that's a SERIOUS fashion violation there!

Bronze:  Glen Campbell for Wichita Lineman.  I remember when this song was on the charts way back when.  I loved it and still do.  

Tin:  Neil Diamond for Brooklyn Roads.  There are a few of his songs that I do like, but I'm not really into this one.  

Nice week and selections, Deb!







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Al, “A Postcard from California” was the start to this week’s selections for me.  It is very melodic with nice vocal harmonies and light orchestral type arrangements.  I’ve been listening to it a lot too since Al came through here to Annapolis last month. 
From John B,

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my favorite version is on "Classics Selected by Brain"

Yup when I was selecting my favorite classics for this week my brain did it, too. Sometimes I second guess myself.  I sometimes think I am too Brian-centric for these BOTBs and I may try to balance by picking the full BBs to post even when I might like Brian’s version better myself.  I am glad you liked “California Feeling”.  Yes, the result was pretty damn good. I end up listening to both.
JFY, a better Brooklyn view: Aerial Drone View of Brooklyn NYC 4K

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was he even from Carolina?  does it matter?

Not in this battle, but thanks to D.A.N. we know he lived there for a while.
I guess that would make him the folk Mike Love...
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even made John Denver sound hip and insightful about the uh, common country man who thanks god and so forth

LOL.  Speaking of John:

Darren, So I finally picked a few songs that up your alley.
This week kind of turned more MOR than I had hoped. I was starting off on a more folky note but didn’t quite make it work. I especially went looking for the Seekers. There are similarities between folk rock and soft rock and they cross paths at times.

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it dawns on me that I’m actually singing ‘Thank the Lord for the Night Time’, a song that not only wasn’t in the show but a song that the seven-piece band behind me had never heard of. You had to be there!

*it happens.. It's how you recover that tells the story.  If you can get away with it fine. If not humor goes a long way.  I personally think Neil Diamond has some depth to him but, yes, his delivery can be stilted.

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John B., Go find your own New Yawk - it's different for everyone.

This is so true.  It’s easy to get around if walking is not an issue.  It is a microcosm of almost everything all together in one place.  Sightseeing is great, shops are great, food, entertainment is top notch.  It’s crowded and noisy, though.
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Also check and see what's going on at the Beacon Theater 

I get to go to the Beacon in about two weeks for the Brian/Zombies! 
I also echo bonnie and Al in recommending a stop in to see Strawberry Fields in Central Park.
But I imagine NYC can be very different if you live there instead of just visit.  Especially if you are one of those struggling interns or artists.  After the Tin that Neil’s Brooklyn homage is getting, I am thinking twice about another runner up I almost put up:

bonnie, thanks, I don’t know if this is exceptional music.  I kind of took a spin off Darren  who pitted The Beatles and The Beach Boys against each other recently.  And yes, Cindy, I tried to make it difficult to choose and I am glad I succeeded even a little. Some of the songs this week are very similar in nature to each other, very MOR, soft adult contemporary. And yes, kds WOULD dismiss this list as a fart in an elevator.  Music speaks to us all differently. FYI, I dislike opera for the most part.  At least I picked the higher rated soft rock.
I love your videos. I tried finding videos about places in Australia and NZ (and UK). You’ve found some for me. I love that Evan’s Bay video.  I drove home one Christmas Eve long ago that turned into such a drive.  The turnpike even closed as I drove (so the radio said).  I got in at the wee hours of the morning to a very warm welcome by family who were quite worried. The 4WD Subaru saved me.
Cindy, I has occasion to visit my sister who lives in western NC near Asheville.  Those mountains are almost as much heaven as Denver’s West Virginia.  And I agree, no socks with flip-flops.

Not a hard week, and so I'm voting, too.
 Gold - The Beach Boys - "California Feelin'"
 Silver - Glen Campbell - “Wichita Lineman”
 Bronze - Neil Diamond – “Brooklyn Roads”
 Tin - James Taylor –“Carolina in My Mind”


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About Major7 chords:
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They are pretty chords and with WL it's kind of a sad song with these chords really a major part of the structure of the song.  To me, they are really ear candy. "Nice" sound but you do need some protein in one's diet and all other nutrients.  Jimmy Webb always says WL was a follow up to Phoenix but one can see how much Glen Campbell LOVES this song - he connects with it. Maybe he IS the Lineman.  It's a clever idea actually. What became MOR music in the 70's (Carpenters come to mind) but America and even Steely Dan and others were using them.  When they are passing chords - nice.  When they are the structure - they are almost overpowering.  Hey a key chord in Something, by the Beatles, but he doesn't stay on it! I rest my case. Hoping that helped.

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there are TWO major 7th chords in 'Wichita Lineman' - Fmaj7 and Bbmaj7. I play it every week. Granted, they get repeated a few times. So does the chorus in 'Good Vibrations'.

I’m no music theoretician. I picked Lineman over Galveston or Phoenix that I looked for this week on gut feel…and I think chords have a lot to do with gut feel.  Linemen had an overall higher rating in the charts as well.  When Al mentioned the Major 7 chord being too much I went to look at the chords:

 [Verse 1] 

C9sus4   N.C.                    Bbmaj7
          I am a lineman for the county,

Fmaj7/A                        C9sus4
          And I drive the main road,

Dm7              Am7         G4     G      D     D4 D
Searching in the sun for a - nother over - load,

N.C.                      Cadd9
I hear you singing in the wires,

                           G/B    Gm/Bb
I can hear you through the whine,

                D/A      A7sus4
And the Wichita lineman...

                   Bbmaj7   Csus2    Bbmaj7
...Is still on the line-----------!

 My favorite pieces of the song have either the Bbmaj7 or a suspended chord or the best have both.  That Bbmaj7-Csus2-Bbmaj7 sequence is the best of the song IMHO. But this is no Barry Manilow.  I feel suspense, tension, high pitched frequencies you might associate with a phone line.  It’s a very strong feeling to me. It contrasts well with the lonely Gm/Bb sequence that is just the opposite.

I grew up playing music but had no education in theory.  Now, after exploring so much of the BBs and Brian’s music I can get fascinated at how different chords and chord sequences can really evoke such a wide and disparate range of feeling in humans and maybe even animals. Thanks for the discussion here.


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