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Larry Franz

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cantina m. -- Your pictures of the wall are very interesting. One reason being the art and the graffiti, the other being the neighborhood next to the wall. Assuming all your pictures are from the East Side Gallery on the east side of the wall, I'm surprised that the neighborhood looks so normal. We usually see old pictures with a No Man's Land on the eastern side. It looks like a street was constructed right where No Man's Land used to be. Is that right?

More about the East Side Gallery with additional famous art:
https://theculturetrip.com/europe/germany/articles/10-iconic-murals-on-the-berlin-wall/

Wikipedia says the Beach Boys played the Mercedes Benz Arena on their reunion tour.

The U. of Freiburg Song Encyclopedia you linked to has two entries for the Beach Boys. The first sentence for each entry:

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The song GOOD VIBRATIONS is one of the most well-known and commercially successful hits of the Beach Boys and is now commonly traded (treated?) as a masterpiece of pop music.

SLOOP JOHN B. is a 1966 released song by the Californian rock band The Beach Boys. The rewriting of a Caribbean folk song became one of her (not quite!) greatest successes.


Two cool German songs the internet recommended:

Peter Schilling -- "Major Tom" (up in space)
youtube.com/watch?v=cdeu5PhNL7U

Malaria! -- "Kaltes Klares Wasser" (doesn't necessarily bring the Sons of the Pioneers to mind)
youtube.com/watch?v=RAg4VmBY7so
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Cantina Margarita

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... Assuming all your pictures are from the East Side Gallery on the east side of the wall, I'm surprised that the neighborhood looks so normal. We usually see old pictures with a No Man's Land on the eastern side. It looks like a street was constructed right where No Man's Land used to be. Is that right?

No. The “Muehlenstrasse“ already existed in 1987 and didn't look so different, as far as I can remember. This place is special because of the river Spree right behind it. No no man's land was needed here because the river was a natural border, with walls and fences on both banks and inside the water. But generally, your description is correct. The whole modern district around Potsdamer Platz, for example, has been constructed on former no man's land.

Yes, there was a C50 concert in Mercedes Benz Arena in August 2012. Great, fantastic. Brian, before the concert, was sitting on a chair and checking the venue's vibes, right behind the away team's net. IJWMFTT accompanied by a giant wave of applause, crediting his falsetto.

I like the game of translating, by Google, to a language I do not understand a word of. Once on a sports forum, I tried to congratulate Russian hockey fans for a win at the World Cup. They wrote back in English and wanted me to apologize for my insult.

“Major Tom“, as you can guess, is a satire on Bowie's Spaceoddity.

Pretty much German stuff here. Let's not forget to mention this respectable Russian grown song.

And here's someone from the other side of the former wall, reminding us of the famous annual “Love Parade“, a kind of techno carnival.

I remember hanging in the waiting loop of my energy supplier's call center, just for listening a little longer.

But this is not from the “valley of the clueless“.
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Thanks for providing the lyrics to two of the songs and some background. I think Silly is a great song.  Cantina, sorry to hear that yet another tragedy has happened. Kiwis are blind in the daylight, and so we were just nosing along putting our gun laws on the backburner repeatedly and trusting that we wouldn't have any trouble down here. Blind and a little naive, I'm afraid.

Catching up on the conversation now.

As to the music, has anyone posted these guys? I'm intrigued by this band.







Thanks for such an interesting week.

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Cantina Margarita

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Skilda, thanks for your votes.

Bonnie, please be careful with your mousewheel. I provided three song translations.

Glad you brought up the Krautrock genre. Its name sounds a bit reactionary to anglo ears. For mine, it expresses the experimental character, preparing musical kraut. As far as I understand, there is a direct connection to the Techno genre, involving Grammy-winner "Kraftwerk". Before they took the Autobahn, they used to start like Faust, Amon Dueuel (omG two umlauts in a row !) or Can. Later they became very influential and important.

What else did German rock music give to the world ?

Falco and Udo Juergens were Austrian. Nena is "nice". It's not like Sweden, whose English-singing acts have substancial success all around the globe. Germany stands for oom-ta-ta folk music, and for classical Beethoven and Bach.

Lyrics seem to be very important for a pop song's acceptance. What else could be the reason for English being the universal language for so many genres ? If you want to be successful on an international base, you need to provide lyrics everybody can understand. Basta.

Not at all, we consider our pop music inferior to British, American, Australian, or Swedish competitors. There are several artists here, taken as important as Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney or Brian Wilson, on a national base. Have you ever heard about Udo Lindenberg, Westernhagen, Herbert Groenemeyer, Puhdys before ? All of them are really, really iconic, but language is the problem. No chance to get across the border of the german-speaking part of Europe.

And the bands from GDR (apart from Udo Lindenberg) were the first pioneers, singing rock songs in German, and doing it very well and authentically. That's the deeper sense of my experiment.

Here's the great Udo L. from Hamburg/west, in a typical appearance, pairing with Clueso, a young artist from Erfurt/east. Young eastern pop artists feel attracted by old Udo, and they exactly know why. An early Udo album track from 1973. Unpolitical lyrics, very romantic.




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Cantina,

Since you have us searching music from Germany  -  a new "disc"- overy week for us here.  A German-based group with a good sound (she's Ukrainian) and now a few years ago.  I like the song.  Is Eurovision important or like the Grammy's here, made for tv and really an "event" but ultimately just a label for someone (five-time Grammy winner)?


You mentioned the band above and I bought the record as it was played ALL over Berlin that fall (82) with Ganz Oben as the flip. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=70&v=X_Tk5b1CVzg
You've truly made it when people can sing back the song to you:

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After listening to viele deutsche Musiker (including ones who sing in English sometimes):

The Notwist -- "Kong" and "Consequence" (not sure if it's pronounced Not-wist or No-twist)
youtube.com/watch?v=KUpktwg7O4M

youtube.com/watch?v=DFin1IG2yis

Die Goldenen Zitronen (the golden lemons) -- "Nützliche Katastrophen" (useful disasters)
youtube.com/watch?v=zl9YTb93u8Q


Can -- "She Brings the Rain"
youtube.com/watch?v=m6ufsWO476A

Bosse -- "Ich Warte Auf Dich" (I'm waiting for you)
youtube.com/watch?v=Xbi393b5T9c

Camera -- "Ausland" (foreign countries)
youtube.com/watch?v=0KxGq2jw_eU

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Cantina Margarita

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Thank God it‘s Friday night, I‘ve got time to read back your posts and give some comments on them.

Larry:

„I hate California Girls“ painfully brings Mike Love‘s funny lyrics back to my conscience. Great for chanting on a party, after the 10th beer, and after the girls have left – GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS I DIG THE GIRLS. Brian‘s great music, at times, makes you forget about that.

OmG, She Brings The Rain by Can. We used to play a cover version of it, in 1981, at a tennis club in my hometown, on a very hot summer day. Our pianist‘s little sister stood on a chair, emptying a water bucket on me, while I was singing under an umbrella. She brought the rain. Cute.

The songs you‘re posting exactly meet my wild years, but both have nothing to do with the very special phenomenon of GDR rock.

malaria - kaltes klares wasser: I like it a lot. An easy form of post-punk which everybody, including me and my first bandmates, tried to play in the early 1980. Funny names, like The Wirtschaftswunder, Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft (German-american friendship), Die Fehlfarben (false colours), Rotzkotz (sniff and vomit), Fred Banana Combo. Ridiculous titles, in English „I wanna be a polar bear“, „Dance the Mussolini“, „Hooray hooray school is burning“ and so on. Did anybody survive until our times ? Yes, of course „die Toten Hosen“ (The dead pants). Here comes Alex – English version. They became really big.

Mozart was Austrian, just like Falco and Udo Juergens.

Darren:

Leningrad Cowboys are funny. Red Army Choir is embarrassing. Both in company is for screaming my ass off, but sometimes not funny at all. That „Wall Of Balalaika Sound“ has a very particular, celebrational effect on rock music. „Stairway to Heaven“ (see link above) is epic and dramatic, and for me it‘s better than Led Zeppelin‘s original. „Happy together“, too, takes this direction.

The news about the airplane crash in 2016 made my blood freeze, thinking about this great show. Could be the epilog to the famous L. C. movie. Makes sense.

 

John B:

Don‘t put the US down, and don‘t put Germany up, although we seem to have the dialectical week. I‘m happy to read nothing about nazis and holocaust here. NRA, KKK and Trump aren‘t an issue here, either. We‘re compatible, although you might have Wild West tendencies, whereas I‘m a hobby socialist sometimes. What we have in common is our sense for freedom and our taste in music. And that‘s a lot. The difference is, we‘re being in great shape, whereas you are slingering a little bit. But tomorrow, that might be upside down.

(Funny that I write this to a person who calls himself John B)

Al F.:

You asked me about the Rattles. A Hamburg band following the Beatles + Sheridan, popular to kids in the 60s, today almost irrelevant. Quite the opposite: Klaus Voormann, who grows with every year he ages, particularly when he tells stories about John Lennon, speaking in my eastern relatives‘ accent. I‘m rather good at English, but I won‘t get the hidden humour and relevance when Macca speaks. With Klausi it‘s different. The man is a jewel, also as a musical sideman. I like his bass and piano playing a lot. His drawings, particularly on Revolver and in the former Hamburg Beatles museum, are great. A shame it's closed.

I don‘t like German candidates at the Eurovision too much. My alltime ESC favourite is „Eres Tu“ by Mocedades, Spain, 1973, second place. Made it to the battle some years ago.

Nena is not my thing, either. You should see her today, at almost 60, making the girlie.

Bonnie:

Modifying weapon laws is a logical and natural reflex. U.S. authorities don't seem to be very logical.

But what do I say. We‘re the only country to allow driving at 400 km/h speed on public highways, and people refuse to even think about it. There are important industries who need it like this.

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Cantina,

Thanks for sharing everything that what this week is all about.  I have my votes but need to write something about them so probably on Sunday, I'll post.  Two songs I really like and two I don't very much, which has always been my favorite way to vote at the BOTB's. 

You got me to reflect back to a time that I rarely go back to revisit and REALLY need to reconnect with some people that I lived with and did everything with there in West Berlin. It all becomes vivid to me - I loved it!  

Your commentaries are excellent, always.

I LOVE getting back and watching this - you can feel the love. Klaus and Paul getting it done - with Ringo. 
youtube.com/watch?v=YhZZiMOy334



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Thanks, Cantina. 

I've been meaning to say I enjoyed the LG 'Stairway too Heaven' clip. Watched it twice. Epic, balalaikas and all. 

I get that the Red Army Choir can be seen as embarrassing, but they still sound awesome, little fellow out the front notwithstanding.

The idea to marry the two acts was inspired. It works - look at the audience response. 
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Some people feel like thanking. I feel humble. In order to justify your appreciation a little bit, I'm daring to offer you the peak of it all, I mean, blues from another world (which is the east side world). Enjoy Engerling's 25th anniversary concert in 2000. If you haven't got the time, try at least the first 5 tracks. It's what the myth of eastern rock is all about. It's a bit like Brian's tribute concert of the same year. The difference is that the guest musicians brought their own stuff. I hope it will play everywhere.



Remarkable is #5 "Als Ich Mal Ein Vogel War" (Once when I was a bird) by Thomas Schoppe from Klaus Renft Combo. They say it's the saddest song of eastern rock. I couldn't find a cut of it, that's why I didn't make it a competitor in this battle week.

No translation this time, the music speaks for itself.

Many of these guys are among those who were banned by the authorities, most of them had to leave for Western Berlin. The lyrics were too hard for communism, here and there even a bit Zappa-esque. Most prominent is Wolf Biermann who sadly doesn't appear.

If you're on holidays in former GDR in summer (which is great for boating, golfing, bathing and wandering, cultural highlights always included, tons of nice holiday homes available), have an open eye for open air concerts on public lakesides. Those veterans will often play there "for an apple and an egg", as we say. Watch out for the branding "OSTROCK".

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The internet recommended these old East German bands, among others:

Klaus Renft Combo
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In September 1975, Renft were asked to play for the Ministry of Culture in order to have their license (a document necessary for any working musician or musical group) renewed.... the woman in charge of their meeting ... informed them that they would not be performing because their music was insulting and libelous, and further told them that they "[didn't] exist anymore." She explained that it was not that they were banned, but that they simply did not exist any longer "as a combo." (Wikipedia)

"Ketten Werden Knapper" (chains get scarce?)
youtube.com/watch?v=hNnHpdQuvHU

"Rockballade vom kleine Otto" (the refrain is about fleeing to the north)
youtube.com/watch?v=0GxB7D7cy18


These two punk bands involved the same people. Wikipedia says the guitarist, Imad Abdul Majid, was a paid informant for the Stasi and was responsible for the imprisonment of  band members Bernd Stracke and Maik Reichenbach. (That's worse than anything Mike L. ever did to his fellow band members.) The internet says Stracke now works as a social worker.

Wutanfall ("torment") -- "Schalg Doch Zu" (hit it?)
youtube.com/watch?v=YcENVf8bPh4

L' Attentat (The Attack or the Assassination?) -- Deutsche Rasse (German breed?)
youtube.com/watch?v=VIDt-2dPMmc


Cantina -- thanks for an interesting week.

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Cantina, my votes.

An easy GOLD - Verlorene Kinder. This one appealed right from the start and she still rocks it out by the end of the week. There is a really nice quality to her voice. 

SILVER - Wenn Ein Mensch Lebt. Thumping good noise, distinctive voice. Reminds me of the Proclaimers. Almost sing-alongable despite the language barrier. For this one, in particular, the lyrics are of no relevance with such a great beat. I like this.

BRONZE - 7 Bruecken. Nice, and I can see how this is meaningful and also obviously deep, but it's that overwrought "all I need is the air that I breathe" sound that puts me off.

TIN - Leningrad Chowboys. Ha! worth a laugh. Some big voices in here too.

Sorry, Cantina, I had scrolled too fast and was reading back on everything later. Great to have such a refreshingly different week nonetheless.





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Klaus Renft Combo "Ketten Werden Knapper" (chains get scarce?)

It means: chains are going short, nor more chains available.

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... the guitarist, Imad Abdul Majid, was a paid informant for the Stasi ... That's worse than anything Mike L. ever did to his fellow band members.

That nails it. That problem still splits families. I know one in which the only son refused to turn up whenever his father was there. Contacting him has become much easier since his father has died.

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"Schalg Doch Zu" (hit it?)

It's "Schlag doch zu" and it means "feel free to hit me (or them)"

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L' Attentat (The Attack or the Assassination?)

Right. It's French.

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Deutsche Rasse (German breed?)

Rasse means race (not formula 1). These ones are being banned today. Program directors are very sensitive for historical reasons, which meets my support.

@Al:
I love the Klaus/Paul/Ringo clip, especially Klausi's final remarks in original Aunt Gisela language and style. That guy is a treasure. :-)

@Bonnie:
Thanks for your votes. The best die first. It's a shame to be still alive (only kidding).
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Cantina - my votes.  The problem is the lyrical association but lyrics are usually the last for me to like a song. So here we go:

GOLD - Karat - 7 Bruecken
Interesting that the Blue Planet went outside the GDR. I liked the voice from the beginning and there is something soulful about it.  It's the only song that I like here from front-end to finish. Is there an English version?

SILVER - Silly - Verlorene Kinder
Tragedy in this story of the singer, Tamara.  The vocal and the playing is superb.  I didn't like the intro - I was waiting for her to sing "We were talking"  a la George. That piano figure is "borrowed" from Boys of Summer/Don Henley.  Iron Curtain or not - try not to take others bits of songs to build yours. 

Bronze - Leningrad Cowboys - California Girls
A good try on this and some of it is REALLY good.  More tragedy though of what would happen.

Tin - Puhdys - Wenn Ein Mensch Lebt 
A harder edged Vegetables sound?  I didn't like the "yelling" vocal but it probably works in it's context. Sounds like Brexit people yelling at each other.  This American listener just didn't "get it". 


Again, thank you for this week on a personal level for me.  I have been watching the Paul and Klaus video for a few weeks and can't get over the real bond but the fun of it is so evident - and the love and respect. Go Antoine Domino! They did.  I did enjoy Nena in Berlin and never knew that they would cross over with 99 Luftballoons here in the States as a cold war anthem.  What would happen in 89 is that THIS song by a Brit group would be the wall breaking anthem:
youtube.com/watch?v=MznHdJReoeo  

I re-visited Berlin as a whole in 2007 and got lost on occasion and almost missed my train to Dresden.  It wasn't the same without "die mauer" to me but so much nicer and freer feeling. A VERY cool and beautiful train station. The Kasier Wilhem church on the Kudamm was always my bearings finder, much like the Mozart statue in Vienna, so I got my bearing without having to use my poor German-speak. 

Some of me will always be in that city as it was a two month home in 82 for we eight American speedskaters. Two were already Olympians and another would eventually become world-champion and four Olympics. I do need to reconnect with the four who are still with us and haven't in a long, long time.  

A very good week of reflection and stories/songs from Behind the Iron Curtain.
vimeo.com/64048942

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  Season 10 Week 5..Glimpses from behind the Iron Curtain


               1) Leningrad Cowboys..Not sure if it really is the best song this week but it sure got me laughing.

                2)karat...don't understand a word but its a nice one.

     
                3)Verlorene Kinder...I thought they were going to do "With in you with out you" for a second but turns into a decent 80's track


                4)Puhdys….this one didn't strike chord with me..


                                                                             quite different this week indeed
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