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Cantina Margarita

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Hi guys,

 I‘m torturing an old Dell Latitude D510 laptop here, and I‘ll be facing the sudden death of Windows 7 early next year. I made a lot of efforts in upgrading to Windows 10, but they keep telling me the BIOS is outdated. With no update available. They advise me to buy a new one, in order to meet their system requirements. Everybody can advise me to to something like that, but not Microsoft. My answer is: NO.[tounge2]

 So what can I do ?

 Let‘s dive into the Ubuntu world and what it means to musicians. Ubuntu is a free operating system which will be fine with my old laptop. The downside is that it‘s free, which means, that you can hardly make money with it, creating applications. And that means users will break their necks, trying to find adequate substitutes for their familiar windows apps which will run poorly, and if at all, only under massive wine influence.:-).

 This affects my favourite software synth. For many years I‘ve been using Edirol Hyper Canvas which provides a lot of „natural“ instruments, and which used to be my private Wrecking Crew. Whereas Ubuntu offers a thing called „Yoshimi“ with a lot of artifical and „electronic“ instruments. Once you get going, it works nicely. But your musical style will be forced to change a bit.

 Do you remember what happened to Brian‘s music, migrating to Yoshimi ?

 
1st participant, The Beach Boys 1977, „Solar System“, Love You album

beautiful. Brian juggling with asteroids.

 

2nd participant, Kraftwerk 1973, „Kometenmelodie 2“, Autobahn album

awesome. They‘re said to be pioneers on that style.

 

3rd participant, Snakefinger 1979, „The Man In The Dark Sedan“, Greener Postures album

splendid. One of my favourite reggae songs, seriously. What a nice drum solo. And very British.

 

4th participant, Renaldo And The Loaf 1981, „Hats Off, Gentlemen“, Songs For Swinging Larvae album

surprising. And the rest of the album is highly worth listening, too.

 

for lazy listeners:

The Beach Boys 1977, „Solar System“

Kraftwerk 1973, „Kometenmelodie 2“

Snakefinger 1979, „The Man In The Dark Sedan“

Renaldo And The Loaf 1981, „Hats Off, Gentlemen“

 

Go !!!

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paul g adsett

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i can only recommend the following:
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John B

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thanks, beautiful song, paul lower case. 
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Larry Franz

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It was only a month ago during Al's "Love" week that we heard a couple from these characters.

The Residents cover "Ramblin' Man" by Hank Williams on Stars and Hank Forever (1986).
youtube.com/watch?v=iEy_YE1zOag

And "Return To Sender" from The King & Eye (1989).
youtube.com/watch?v=6h8zdoEFA9o

They indicated that they covered "Heroes and Villains" on The Third Reich and Roll (1976). I can make out "Telstar" and "Wipe Out" around 14:34, but not H&V, which is supposedly in that vicinity too (side 1 ends at 17:30). (That's Dick Clark dressed as a Nazi. The album cover was heavily censored when it was released in Germany.)
youtube.com/watch?v=BLOKmaFlysM&t=355s

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Cantina Margarita

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We're right into that very old expert discussion again. The Residents - are they unreal like the Wombles, are they identical to Renaldo & the Loaf plus Snakefinger, or does their lineup change like Tarzan or James Bond actors, recruited from an extended Ralph Records staff ? Or is it just a franchise, maybe even a myth like Santa Claus ?

Who mentioned the Residents ?

Larry, come on, tell us everything you know.
[confused]

*** edit: is Brian Wilson involved ?
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Larry Franz

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I know nothing, except for what's appeared in places like this obituary:

Hardy Fox, of the Avant-Garde Band the Residents (Maybe), Dies at 73

Quote:

The main reason the Residents insisted on remaining incognito, Mr. Fox said, was that they didn’t want celebrity to impede their creativity. He said of the group: “They claim they bare themselves completely on records, that to try to talk about their music would only detract from it.”

He added, “I’ve always felt part of the reason, too, is that the Residents’ music tends to attract some weirdos.”


But Al Forsyth might know something (not implying he's a weirdo).

The Residents -- "My Window" and "Aging Musician"
youtube.com/watch?v=q4s20EugVcQ

youtube.com/watch?v=_ZfTio039gE


PS: I'm pretty sure Brian has never been involved, but the Residents were planning to cover some of his songs in their "American Composers Series". Unfortunately, they abandoned that project early on.

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Gold:  The Beach Boys 1977, „Solar System“

Silver:  Kraftwerk 1973, „Kometenmelodie 2“

Bronze:  Snakefinger 1979, „The Man In The Dark Sedan“

Tin:  Renaldo And The Loaf 1981, „Hats Off, Gentlemen“

I have heard Solar System once or twice before and never really cared for it, but it's less weird than the other 3.  

 


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...but weird is good, at least in Austin, Texas.  

I think four (4) good songs here.

1.  'Solar System' by Brian

love the song and the album.  people like poster Creten Welsh useta say that the cigarette voice added gravitas, embodying something, profound about Brian's damaged but still childlike surviving psych.  Maybe he just liked Randy Newman and wanted to make an album like that so people would concentrate less on his perfect voice.  I still think this song and the album would have been every bit as beautiful and powerful without the cigs.  Supposedly says the liner notes he wrote, 'Love You' is Peter Buck (of R.E.M.'s) favorite Beach Boys album and he loves this song.  I give those liner notes a B-, but 'Love You' an A, even if the younger folk here don't remember Robert Christgau.

2. 'Hats off Gentlemen' by Renaldo & the Loaf. 

maybe it's my personality, but sometimes in contests, I predict what song is destined to be Tin, so I place it 2nd.   This may be the case here.  

3.'The Man in the Dark Sedan' by Snakefinger

like the general sound and singing, not so keen on the repetition or drum solo.

4. 'Kometenmelodie 2' by Kraftwerk

the most repetitive of these songs.  Suppose if I played this while driving the Autobahn, it would sound great.  But Kraftwerk can bear a 4th here.

(btw,I forget why The Surf Punks loved the Residents so...)
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paul g adsett

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quite how you magick'd out phil lithman, i know not!
bravo.
boy, how things connect...
in the days before punk,
early 70's,
when there were plenty of bands that sort of got grouped into 'pub rock'
(eggs over easy / ducks deluxe / brinsley schwarz / rockpile /
ian dury
's kilburn and the high roads / kursaal flyers /
dr feelgood / bees make honey / roogalator / kokomo...),
which got away from 'glam' and led towards 'new wave'
(though probably hated by punks)
there was this one quirky band 
- i'm suffering severe pangs of nostalgia at the mere thought of writing these names!

chilli willi and the red hot peppers took western swing / louis jordan stylee numbers 
(a british version of commander cody and that sort?)
and were a real blast on the live circuit.
just about my favourites (after brinsley schwarz).
the chillis acquired jake riviera as manager (who took on elvis costello). 

phil lithman was a principal player / writer / singer.
the band included martin stone (also late and lamented)
who, together had come out of the blues scene
martin s had been part of that crucial band mighty baby,
collaborated with sf writer michael moorcock,
played with sandy denny, with my chum andy roberts,
with gary farr (local brighton boy, see my t bones post the other week),
was later in the 101ers with joe strummer
played with local hero wreckless eric 
and with marianne faithfull...

paul riley of the chillis became a producer / engineer /
(just check his credits - i will shortly, but, off top of m'head)
everyone from
carlene carter / robert wyatt / costello / nick lowe / squeeze
- still plays with nick lowe
and was a formidable part of demon records 
before co-forming the highly applaudable proper records 
(what a roster of artists they have and distribute!)

drummer with chilli willi was pete thomas who then joined the attractions
and still pays with elvis c.
and, phil l went off to america and the residents.
oh boy...

such influential chaps they proved to be...
from the rather magnificent album 'bongos over balham' 
here's 'breathe a little'
cheers
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Larry Franz

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One of these things is not like the others.

Gold -- Brian Wilson -- "If Mars had life on it, I might find my wife on it".  Does that mean he doesn't have a wife and might get one there, or that his wife has taken an interplanetary voyage and he isn't sure where on Mars she is? 

Silver -- Snakefinger -- I found this one more interesting than the Kraftwerk and more pleasurable than the Renaldo.

Bronze -- Kraftwerk -- Not as interesting as the Snakefinger.

Pewter -- Renaldo -- Not as pleasurable as the Snakefinger.


Two from Brian Eno's album Another Green World (1975):  "In Dark Trees" and "Sombre Reptiles"
youtube.com/watch?v=OH4oeGU_o1U

youtube.com/watch?v=gE330s6zhYE

Thanks, Cantina M!


PS: I forgot to include the link to the Hardy Fox obituary. There is a nice picture of the Residents looking quite dapper in their giant eyeballs and top hats.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/obituaries/hardy-fox-dead.html

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Cantina Margarita

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Let's add some scientific backgound.

What is Yoshimi ?


What is weird ?


Questions on questions.


Thanks to all early weir ... uhm ... voters.
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Larry Franz

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After dipping into Songs for Swinging Larvae, it's pretty clear that Renaldo & the Loaf were paying homage to Sinatra's classic 1956 album Songs for Swingin' Lovers. The musical and lyrical similarities are hard to miss.

Frank Sinatra -- "You're Getting To Be a Habit with Me" and "How About You?"

youtube.com/watch?v=cMnvsNev0Ew

youtube.com/watch?v=WZrOI8SrZh4

In a similar vein:

The Flaming Lips -- "Space Bible with Volume Lumps" and "Approaching Pavonis Mons By Balloon (Utopia Planitia)"

youtube.com/watch?v=0U5_1Aco5S4

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Al Forsyth

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Cantina,  I have all of those sounds on my good ole Yamaha TG55, but it's not programmable.  [confused]

Larry, I'm actually afraid of The Residents but I have placed them into the musical realm here every now and then.  I was kind of force-fed them.  From Meet The Residents on...
https://www.discogs.com/artist/6708-The-Residents

My electronica started when in high school I actually took a "electronic music" class and that was um, well some "interesting" people in that group.  I was publicly called to the main office as skipping once a month when I was involved in that lab. No one could find us holed up in this tiny space that was clearly a storage closet at one time.   

Now HERE is an electronica artiste that many may not have heard:
https://www.sevwave.com/music

I built my own mono synth in the mid 70's but bought a poly synth from a guy in late 70's early 80's who fed me all of his music and his heroes, The Residents.  Great concept though.  

Votes still to come when I sort this out probably tomorrow. 



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Gold: The Beach Boys 1977, „Solar System“

Silver: Kraftwerk 1973, „Kometenmelodie 2“

Bronze: Snakefinger 1979, „The Man In The Dark Sedan“

Tin: Renaldo And The Loaf 1981, „Hats Off, Gentlemen“

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Cantina Margarita

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I'm lacking time a little bit, and I notice I'm missing to thank you for your votes in an adequate way. I don't want to appear impolite or ignorant. It's because I have such a busy working week. Awaiting your compassionate aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhs here.
Enough of anti-music for a moment. Here and there, electronic devices were able to add significant benefit to an artist's style. Brian's Rio Grande is one example, and here are some more:


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