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stkilda4ever

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It's another tribute to Wrecking Crew drummer Hal Blaine.  So many hits I could have chosen that he played on. I've gone with these 4 classics.

Beach Boys - California Girls (1965).  That's Hal drumming away ... giving Dennis more time for surfing/chicks and studio vocals 

Mr Tambourine Man - The Byrds (1965).  Yep Hal on drums ... much to the annoyance of Byrds drummer Michael Clarke.



Be My Baby - Ronettes (1963) Featuring one of Hal's best known drum riffs that later became widely imitated

Monday Monday - The Mamas & Papas (1966) Hats off to Hal and Wrecking Crew that just added those nice touches to the Mamas and Papas hits.



Surely not one of these songs is worthy of 'tin'! In my mind - all Gold ... good luck trying to sort from 1 to 4.

 

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Larry Franz

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The man got around.

Gold -- California Girls -- A clear candidate for retirement this year.

Silver -- Be My Baby -- Not my favorite of theirs, but still....

Bronze -- Mr. Tambourine Man -- Not my favorite of theirs either, but still....

Pewter -- Monday, Monday -- I will always associate this with feeling melancholy as it came on the radio, on mornings my father drove us to school in a new city thousands of miles from where we felt at home. Still excellent.


One I posted a couple weeks ago:

The Mamas and the Papas -- "I Saw Her Again"
youtube.com/watch?v=4vaIBZCLUQU

Thanks, stkilda4ever!

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Cindy Hood

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It's ALL good!  It's surprisingly easy, too!

My votes:

Gold:  Be My Baby by the Ronettes.  One of the best classic 60's songs from the girl groups.

Silver:  California Girls by the Beach Boys.  For a lot of years they used this goodie as the opening for their concerts - a perfect song of theirs to start off the show!

Bronze:  Mr. Tambourine Man by the Byrds.  Another classic 60's song!

Tin:  Monday, Monday by the Mamas and Papas.  It certainly doesn't belong way down here, but out of the 4 selections, this is the way it had to go.



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John B

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I'll go with Cindy's order, but California Girls loses by just one 'round the world/girl rhyme' or so. 

btw, Larry, I'll bite: which of the Ronettes songs is better?   'Walking in the Rain' or 'Baby, I Love You'?   and interesting about the morning school drive, you were thousands of miles away, plural?   I almost would say that's me, only 'hundreds', but lets see, with 5 elementary schools in 3 metro + 1 rural areas in 2 states, then 2 middle schools and 2 high schools, 'home' was a house not a place for me. 
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Larry Franz

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hi John B -- I didn't say the Ronettes have better songs, just that "Be My Baby" isn't my favorite. When I play their greatest hits, I like "(The Best Part of) Breaking Up", "Walking in the Rain" and "You Baby" more. But I don't have to rank them this week!  [smile]

Wikipedia's list of Hal Blaine songs says he played on this one:

"(The Best Part of) Breaking Up"
youtube.com/watch?v=DsMw8EwjQwE

You beat me by one school: 3 elementary schools (2 different regions), 1 middle school, 3 high schools (3 regions). Two moves during school years. Seven of the eight were in Southern California, split between a suburb down by Orange County and the "high desert" Antelope Valley north of LA. The "Monday, Monday" school I referred to was in Rochester, New York (2,300 miles away as the crow flies). My specific memory is being driven by the big, red brick Eastman Kodak factory in Rochester on my way to a high school in Greece (a Rochester suburb) in early 1966 ("Monday, Monday" came out in March).

But more than enough about me. Another one with Hal:

Gary Lewis & the Playboys -- "This Diamond Ring" (interesting, since Gary was the drummer)
youtube.com/watch?v=bKTOizdhan8

Maybe Hal played on this one too.

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Gary Lewis confirms that "She's Just My Style" is the song of his that gets the most airplay today on radio. He told interviewer Ray Shasho in 2013 that he sought to emulate the style of The Beach Boys with the recording. "That's exactly what we were going for too. Even before we started writing it we said 'Let's go for The Beach Boys thing; a little rock and roll with a lot of harmony and I was really happy the way we pulled it off." (Wikipedia)

 youtube.com/watch?v=2O8L2t54dps

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John B

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I can hear the Beach Boys in Gary & the Playboys--the slower, "driiii--iiives me wild" part, especially on that song, always liked them.!   thinking also of that song "Ice Melts in the Sun" and the more famous, "Green Grass," etc.  He sort of sang like a more sincere Jan Berry, too.




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"today, we have a new student, class..."

((a) dad was in military? (b) dad busted chops of his bosses?  or (c) both a and b? 

Mine is C, and I do still miss him).
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More Hal on songs by this week's acts:
Roger McGuinn on Hal:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/byrds-roger-mcguinn-remembers-hal-201747202.html
Hal all over this and the strange count-in. When the pick-up becomes snare, there it is. Roger was Jim back then. 

Fave M's and P's song.  He's on it!

"We Don't Know" in it's evolution. Brian conducts. 

You can't really tell if it's Hal as the drums are so far back in the mix - but this song has been mentioned about already this week:

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Quote:
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"today, we have a new student, class..."

((a) dad was in military? (b) dad busted chops of his bosses?  or (c) both a and b? 

Mine is C, and I do still miss him).

(d) none of the above (his military days were long gone).

It was more like a father who kept thinking the grass was greener somewhere else and a mother who would later decide it was greener where we were before.

Johnny Rivers -- "The Poor Side of Town" (one of Hal's that's kind of appropriate)
youtube.com/watch?v=xSCLS94UWdA
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Darren J. Ray

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Gold - Be My Baby (The Ronettes - 1963)
Just a great record. And, yes, Carnie & Wendy must be really sick of it! My show does this one, so I have heard the song countless times. It would still win most of my weeks here. So influential and so used. Remember in Moonlighting when David Addison and Maddie Hayes got it on for the first time? This started playing!

Silver - California Girls (The Beach Boys - 1965)
This used to be one of my favourite Beach Boys songs. I used to wonder why it wasn’t called ‘Californian Girls’, but I guess Mike is just saying he wishes all the girls he refers to in the song were residents of California and not necessarily native to the state. I think it misses the ‘I dig the girls’ present in the David Lee Roth cover (that features backing vocals from Christopher Cross and Carl Wilson). Bruce Johnston is, of course, very audible, for the first time, on the Beach Boys version. stkilda4ever, check out where this charted on the Australian Top 40 charts. 

Bronze - Monday, Monday (The Mamas and the Papas - 1966)
I met a beautiful blue-eyed blonde named Emma on a Sunday night when she was 19 and I was 28. We spent the night drinking wine and listening to Don McLean and the Mamas & the Papas. In the morning, we sat on her front steps and sang ‘Monday, Monday’. It’s a bittersweet memory. 

To clear up any conjecture, ‘Monday, Monday’ won the 1967 Grammy Award for Rock & Roll Group Performance, ahead of four others, including ‘Good Vibrations’. 

‘Winchester Cathedral’ (The New Vaudeville Band) won the award for Rock & Roll Recording, ahead of five others, including ‘Monday, Monday’ and ‘Good Vibrations’.  

Both ‘Monday, Monday’ and ‘Good Vibrations’ were nominated for Best Vocal Group Performance. ‘A Man and a Woman’ by the Anita Kerr Quartet was the winner. I can’t even find it on YouTube. Too bad if I wanted to use it in a week!

Participant - Mr. Tambourine Man (The Byrds - 1965)
Like the rest of these, a classic hits radio staple. Great sound but never been a huge fan of it. Plenty of Byrds songs in my Top 1000. This is not one of them. 

(I dig the girls)

(the influence on this is obvious)

(I’ve heard that intro somewhere before)

(the original)

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Darren J. Ray

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Gary Lewis and the Playboys?

Well, here they are - America's answer to the Beatles. 

You can see how the two groups would've shared a healthy rivalry in the '60s.

The audience here is in a frenzy.



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stkilda4ever

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darren J. Ray

Gold - Be My Baby (The Ronettes - 1963)
Just a great record. And, yes, Carnie & Wendy must be really sick of it! My show does this one, so I have heard the song countless times. It would still win most of my weeks here. So influential and so used. Remember in Moonlighting when David Addison and Maddie Hayes got it on for the first time? This started playing!

Silver - California Girls (The Beach Boys - 1965)
This used to be one of my favourite Beach Boys songs. I used to wonder why it wasn’t called ‘Californian Girls’, but I guess Mike is just saying he wishes all the girls he refers to in the song were residents of California and not necessarily native to the state. I think it misses the ‘I dig the girls’ present in the David Lee Roth cover (that features backing vocals from Christopher Cross and Carl Wilson). Bruce Johnston is, of course, very audible, for the first time, on the Beach Boys version. stkilda4ever, check out where this charted on the Australian Top 40 charts. 

Bronze - Monday, Monday (The Mamas and the Papas - 1966)
I met a beautiful blue-eyed blonde named Emma on a Sunday night when she was 19 and I was 28. We spent the night drinking wine and listening to Don McLean and the Mamas & the Papas. In the morning, we sat on her front steps and sang ‘Monday, Monday’. It’s a bittersweet memory. 

To clear up any conjecture, ‘Monday, Monday’ won the 1967 Grammy Award for Rock & Roll Group Performance, ahead of four others, including ‘Good Vibrations’. 

‘Winchester Cathedral’ (The New Vaudeville Band) won the award for Rock & Roll Recording, ahead of five others, including ‘Monday, Monday’ and ‘Good Vibrations’.  

Both ‘Monday, Monday’ and ‘Good Vibrations’ were nominated for Best Vocal Group Performance. ‘A Man and a Woman’ by the Anita Kerr Quartet was the winner. I can’t even find it on YouTube. Too bad if I wanted to use it in a week!

Participant - Mr. Tambourine Man (The Byrds - 1965)
Like the rest of these, a classic hits radio staple. Great sound but never been a huge fan of it. Plenty of Byrds songs in my Top 1000. This is not one of them. 

(I dig the girls)

(the influence on this is obvious)

(I’ve heard that intro somewhere before)

(the original)

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stkilda4ever

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What!!! I just checked chart placing for California Girls.  No listing on Melbourne chart - nor Sydney.  Top 10 in Brisbane.  What happened?  This is like the mystery of California' Dreamin'  ... can only see a chart placing in Adelaide.  What is it about 'California' songs that we all know and love in Australia ... but don't appear on the Top 40.

Hey I liked Winchester Cathedral ... but to win that Grammy against other contenders is embarrassing.  It's like "Ohh we better give a Grammy to a British song as we've just had the Brit music invasion." 

Did you ever see this check Emma again?  What's that hit ..."I Saw Her Again Last Night."
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Hal at the helm week two and I have to go with double ties.  This week is THAT much a challenge to put one over another on the top side and one can't be below another on the bottom side.  They are all marvelous songs, productions and performances!

Gold - Tie to California Girls - which in it's own way ushers in a California sound all to it's own.  I have my own little story of Linda and Betsy on this one, Darren.  They were one and two years older than this knot-head.  Older women turning me on to the song in 65.  
Also tying for GOLD are the Ronettes. Ronnie, Hal and sister and cousin - Estelle and Nedra.  Mr. Spector designed it  The beehives rocked it!

Tie for Bronze to both Mr. Tambourine Man and Monday, Monday.  

I heard Roger McGuinn's show last May and was blown away when he launched into this and Turn, Turn, Turn, with the 12-string Rick.  Your heart can stop to this! Iconic.  The Mama's and Papa's - oooo that harmony sound that worked! 

Fabulous week, StKilda, and more thinking of the great Hal Blaine. 

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Darren J. Ray

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Al, according to Wikipedia, Ronnie Spector is the only Ronette on the record. 

Backing vocals are listed as Ronnie, Ellie Greenwich, The Blossoms (featuring Darlene Love, Fanita James and Gracia Nitzsche), Sonny & Cher, Bobby Sheen and Nino Tempo.   
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Darren,

Now that you say this - it is a thicker sound.  If you were standing around and you could sing...
GREAT article:
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/classic-tracks-ronettes-be-my-baby

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