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Hi all,

I forgot to say this with my previous post.  If you ever get a chance to see the Stand By Me video on you tube with the singer, River P, the one who played Gordie and the scenes from the movie go for it.  You will love it.  I learned about Heartbreak Hotel on Happy Days.  

I will post my song of the week thread tomorrow morning after 9 p.m. NYS time.    

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Originally Posted by John B
Del Shannon was the one, as documented, kids, by "Paperback Writer," who pointed out that George's new song for the Beatles, "My Sweet Lord" ripped off "She's so Fine" by the Chiffons.  George became enraged, that some runaway pop guy would not only fail to acknowledge his great accomplishment of writing the first rock song about our lord and savior Jesus Christ, but then dare to accuse him of breaking one of his father's commandments--thou shalt not steal!

"My Sweet Lord" was a beautiful song. Though it was not about Jesus Christ, but the Hindu God Krishna.
Larry Franz

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Thanks to Darren, t. bedford and GGH for their excellent contributions this morning (in the US). I hope we don't break the site this weekend. I'd post the Plastic Bono Band's "My Cher Ono", later covered by the Knack, but YouTube doesn't seem to have it.

A possibility for anyone who wants a fairly broad topic when they host: Songs that include the word "and".

Thanks to Mary NYS for your votes and dkmh for your clarification!

As I was falling asleep last night, this one popped up: The Left Banke, "Walk Away Renee" ("From deep inside the tears that I'm forced to cry")

Two renditions of "Dancing With Tears In My Eyes":

Ruth Etting (1930)

X (1982)

Which isn't the same song as Ultravox, "Dancing With Tears In My Eyes" (1984)

paul g adsett

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just watched a wonderful set by plainsong at cropredy
iain matthews, (an original fairport convention member),
our chum andy roberts and mark griffiths
(he's also a genuine member of the shadows in a different guise, chaps).
afar bigger stage than the greys brighton,
where i've been privileged to present 'em.
as well as performing most of their 'reinventing richard (fari┼ła)' album
they included this one from their very fab 1st album.
about an abrupt end to a relationship.
a tear-jerker of the first degree.
'for the second time in a year,
i was broken, i was broken...'

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Lisa G/TS

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Apologies if I missed it amongst all the alternates here, but it's a crying shame if we've gone 9 pages on this without this late LG on the topic:

Now my ballot:

GOLD -- In My Room, Beach Boys -- Was really debating the Gold and Bronze. I'll give the Boys credit for being soothing, comforting and reassuring. 

SILVER -- Ben E. King, Stand By Me -- Brilliant, comforting and reassuring. Difficult to hear without remembering another classic Rob Reiner directed 80s Mary NYS indicated. 

BRONZE -- Elvis Presley, Heartbreak Hotel -- As I said, a tough call since it's so iconic. Heck, it'll be 40 years this Wednesday since he left this mortal coil. Were the lyrics really based on a suicide note or is that another urban myth? Powerful but how about a l'il more fun with it? I'll dedicate this to bonnie's comments on the tune - listen to the full version:

PEWTER/TIN -- Dionne Warwick, Walk On By -- It just wasn't Warwick's week, was it? Guess we'll never know what Brian and the Boys could've done with it - all we have is that brief tease of a demo.

Thanks, Larry!
Popeye (not the sailor)

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In honor of Buck Owens birthday today it seems fitting for a little Cryin' Time.

Larry Franz

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Lisa -- Thanks for your vote. It would indeed have been a crying shame if Lesley sticking it to Judy hadn't appeared this week (that Judy, I can't stand her). One must admit Stan Freberg had a point (right, John B?).

It is in fact a crying shame that the guys didn't finish and release their "Walk On By". It would have made a fine addition to Friends or 20/20 and might have been a very successful single. I seriously thought about using it this week instead of Dionne's (would it have done any better?).

The wonderful extended Beach Boys version:

We now have 14 voters, whose ranks do not yet include paul g. adsett or Popeye, among others --- and absolutely no suspense whatsoever!!!

Popeye -- Thanks for the Buck Owens (from dry as dust Bakersfield, California).

Another country classic:

Patsy Cline, "Walkin' After Midnight" ("I stop to see a weepin' willow, Cryin' on his pillow, Maybe he's cryin' for me")

A group with "alt-country" roots: Wilco, "Cry All Day"

PS -- More than anyone might want to know about the origins of "Heartbreak Hotel"

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Lisa, thanks for the sequel.  Not really knowing Lesley Gore's music, I had no idea there was a follow-up (revenge) tune.  They both need to kick that guy to the curb, anyway.  And thanks too for the riveting Stan Freberg rendition of Heartbreak Hotel.  Cripes, what a mess.

Great read about the origins of Heartbreak Hotel, and seeing the lovely Anges herself, aka "my baby".  Interesting story.

Thanks for the wee reminder, Mary. [smile] 


Clowns divorce: custardy battle.     Simon Munnery

Larry Franz

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Originally Posted by bonnie bella

Great read about the origins of Heartbreak Hotel, and seeing the lovely Anges herself, aka "my baby".

Yes, Agnes was quite the looker. Too bad about the accordion though.

Ok, we're finishing up six full days now with 14 voters so far. In case anyone needs music to vote by, here are five classics I wasn't close to using. I don't think they've been mentioned yet.

Elvis (known as the King in some quarters), "Hound Dog" ("'cryin all the time")

Billie Holiday, "Willow Weep For Me"

? and the Mysterians, "96 Tears"

Prince, "When Doves Cry"

Little Anthony and the Imperials, "Tears On My Pillow"

David W

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Crikey 9 pages ~(so far) of comments !

My votes , purely on what I would be likely to play :

Gold Dionne Warwick, "Walk On By"

Silver:Ben E. King, "Stand By Me"

Bronze:The Beach Boys, "In My Room"

Tin:Elvis Presley, "Heartbreak Hotel"

Surely one of the greatest singles ever made Stay With Me Baby by Lorraine Ellison.....always brings tears to my eyes !

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I don't believe anyone's posted this, yet:

Gerry & the Pacemakers - Don't Let the Sun Catch You Crying

Did somebody say "Kinks" (or was that me)?

The Kinks - Stop Your Sobbing

I'm not a real billionaire, but I play one on TV!
Larry Franz

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David -- thanks for your vote. I don't remember ever hearing "Stay With Me", although it's been covered by lots of singers.

t -- I think it was you. However: The Kinks, "This Man He Weeps Tonight"

My ballot:

Gold:  The Beach Boys -- In my Beach Boys top tier. My father once told me he met a guy who claimed to have written "In My Room". This was in Los Angeles. I'm pretty sure it wasn't Brian. Maybe it was Gary Usher. The "crying" lyric evoked derision from a high school friend. He was a musician, but clearly a philistine.

Silver:  Elvis -- It seems a little dated now, but it's still brilliant. What a dramatic opening to a song! What a great record! And terrific for singing in the shower. I wonder how Elvis would be remembered if he gave up music after coming back from the army. 

Bronze:  Ben E. King -- Merely another great song and performance.

Pewter:  Dionne Warwick -- So is this.

Randy Newman, "Old Man" ("And no one came to cry, old man")

Arcade Fire, "Porno" ("You can cry, I won't go")

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sat in a snug bar of a quaint old riverside pub,
with a fine real ale
campervan parked right by the babbling brook
after a splendid music festival at cropredy.
feeling warmly chilled.
but no easier to finalise my choices.
love 'em all, however, my best effort =
equal gold: 'in my room '
equal gold: 'stand by me'
boinze: "walk on by'
tin :'heartbreak hotel'...
Tom Tobben

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What an excellent battle and engaged discussion this week -- as it should be with such excellent artists and songs. 

Regarding the Elvis debate (or for any major artist, for that matter), my own theory is that one's attitude about the merits of any major artist says more about the person him/her-self than it does about the artist per se (each person's age, musical interests, attitude about artists/musicians and pop culture figures, pop vs rock, preferences regarding talented singer-songwriters vs talented musicians vs talented singers vs talented personalities, mainstream vs alternative, etc.) It's often more about subjective "personal favorites" than objective "bests" or "worsts". Consider that.

Did I like a lot of Elvis best music -- absolutely yes. Did I like his soundtrack filler music, his drift toward pop, his later focus on country and gospel, or his tons of throwaway songs and albums -- definitely not. Would he rank at the top of my personal rock pantheon of artists like the Beatles, Beach Boys, Stones, Doors, Steely Dan, Springsteen, etc. -- no way. But, I believe that says more about me and my tastes than about Elvis' intrinsic merits, or lack thereof. As the old Elvis album title says, 50,000,000 Elvis Fans Can't Be Wrong -- at least to his own fans. 

It's hard to objectively deny the magnitude of Elvis' early influence on rock and roll and his chart success. Other than perhaps the Beatles, he has sold more records worldwide than any other artist -- ever. More chart hits than any other artist of the rock and roll era, among the very top artists for #1 hits, top 10 hits, weeks on the Top 40 charts, weeks at the #1 chart position, #1 artist of the 1950s, #2 artist of the 60s (behind the Beatles), #11 artist of the 70s, etc. (as documented by Joel Whitburn's Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits (9th Edition, 2009). And for anyone who's traveled to Graceland, tons of gold and platinum recordings and international awards across genres. 

If one is to deny that Elvis was a major artist because he didn't write (or co-write) many of his hit songs, one would have to say the same about Bing Crosby (the biggest recording artist of his generation), Frank Sinatra (the biggest recording artist of his generation), Elvis (the biggest recording artist of his generation), as well as other more recent major recording artists such as Dionne Warwick, Linda Ronstadt, Glen Campbell, etc. 

Further, Elvis was the primary star who brought that rebellious new rock and roll music into the popular mainstream and to a mass audience. Neither Chuck Berry nor Little Richard had any #1 hits in the 1950s and hardly any throughout their careers, Buddy Holly only had one #1 hit, Jerry Lee Lewis didn't have any #1 hits, etc. Elvis was the king of rock and roll, at least back in the 1950s. As Al, bonnie, Larry, and others have pointed out, his early music and his performing style (especially before he went into the military) had a clear rock and roll or rockabilly edge, and his rebellious, charismatic image lit up the TV screens (early Ed Sullivan appearances, TV cameras only above the gyrating hips), concert stages, and movie screens (e.g., Jailhouse Rock, Love Me Tender) for all the young girls to scream and swoon to, similar to the Beatles nearly a decade later.

Besides bonnie's earlier example, here's another early example of classic rockabilly Elvis on Sun Records in 1955, his memorable cover of Junior Parker's earlier R&B hit, "Mystery Train", before he was signed to RCA and became a worldwide phenomenon:

Besides his raw talent, dynamic voice, and charismatic appearance to young women, Elvis was also more "safe" and "acceptable" to mainstream white middle class girls and households in the 1950s than early black rock and roll artists like Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley, and Ray Charles, nerdy-looking Buddy Holly, or the country-cute Everly Brothers, while also epitomizing the early rock and roll generation and its rebellious mid-50s attitude (e.g., Rebel Without A Cause, Blackboard Jungle, On the Waterfront) in popular culture.  

But, after Elvis returned from the Army, he largely lost his rock and roll edge, and gravitated more toward Hollywood showbiz and pop hits in the early/mid 60s. Other than his Elvis comeback show on TV in 1968 and a few big Top 40 hits (e.g., If I Can Dream, In the Ghetto, Suspicious Minds, Burnin' Love), Elvis had gradually gravitated toward a lot of soundtrack filler, country, and gospel music, and he wasn't really that much a part of the mid-60s or 70s pop/rock scene.

So, with all that said, here are my votes, based on the specific songs in this week's battle. On a given day, any of my first three songs below could have been my #1 pick. 

Gold -- "Walk on By", Dionne Warwick. This was one of her earliest big hits (after "Don't Make Me Over" and "Anyone Who Had A Heart"), and it put her into the big time. This was just one of her many Top 40 and Top 10 hits, many written by Burt Bacharach and Hal David, and it really demonstrates her formidable talents as a singer. One of my Top 40 favorites from the early/mid-60s (1964, to be precise). In the year of the Beatles and early British Invasion in the US, this was a standout song.

Silver -- "Stand by Me", Ben E. King. A classic, by any standard, and a classic Lieber/Stoller-penned hit. Great vocals by the legendary Ben E. King (early Drifters, solo hits like "Spanish Harlem", "Stand by Me", "Don't Play That Song", "Supernatural Thing". It was a classic in the early 60s (#4 pop,#1 R&B), and it found a wonderful second life as part of the wonderful 1986 film of the same name, starring a young River Phoenix.

Bronze -- "In My Room", Beach Boys. An early Brian Wilson classic, and one that should have been a bigger Beach Boys hit. Still one of my favorite early Beach Boys songs, and one of Brian's most personal set of lyrics, co-written by Brian and Gary Usher. It's obvious that this isn't a set of Mike Love lyrics (i.e., self-reflective, vulnerable, personally revealing, and not macho, braggadocio, girls/cars/surf-oriented).

Tin -- "Heartbreak Hotel", Elvis Presley. His first big #1 chart hit from 1956, but it didn't do a lot for me. Despite all my favorable Elvis comments above, I liked his early edgier hits more (e.g., "Don't Be Cruel", "Jailhouse Rock", "All Shook Up", "Hound Dog", "Hard-Headed Woman", "One Night", etc.)   

Here's a few more weepy songs that I don't think have been mentioned this week:

Speaking of the folk music spoof movie mentioned above, A Mighty Wind, here's my personal favorite, the Folksmen's cover of the Rolling Stones' classic "Start Me Up" ("you make a grown man cry"):

Another of my favorites is Boy George's excellent title song from the 1996 movie The Crying Game ("I know all there is to know about the crying game. I've had my share of the crying game...):

Then, I don't believe anyone has mentioned Buddy Holly's "Crying, Waiting, Hoping", which was later covered by the early Beatles, Marshall Crenshaw, and others:

Finally, Eminem's personal confessional classic "Mockingbird" (I can see you're sad, even when you smile, even when you laugh. I can see it in your eyes, deep inside you want to cry...Hush little baby, don't you cry...")

Excellent battle this week and lots of great participation and discussions by so many here! The way it ought to be each week!

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Hi all,

I know I Want You To Want me the word crying is in the song.  Aerosmith sang a song called Cryin'.  Journey sang Who's Crying Now.  Linda R sang Tracks of My Tears.  Yes, that one was a remake.  I know that The Jacksons sang Heartbreak Hotel with different lyrics.  Don M sang Cryin'.  Aerosmtih sang Walk This way.  The Bangles sang Walking Down the Street.  Katrina & The Waves sang Walking on Sunshine.  Elton John sang Sad Songs.  He also sang I Guess That's Why The Call It The Blues. I know that a female singer, back in the day, had two songs with the word cry in the title.  The Beatles sang I'm Down.  For every unhappy song there are many happy songs.  

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