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kds

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How about the original version of Without You by Badfinger 

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Larry, I was going to add Orbison's "Crying" to this week's add-on songs. But since you mentioned that it competed in a past battle, I'll toss into the mix the lovely duet version recorded in the late 80s by Orbison with that delightful Canadian cowgirl turned chanteuse, k.d. lang, and also performed live together a number of times. It also became a Grammy winner in 1989 for Best Country Vocal Collaboration. What a lovely blend their voices make on this emotive ballad.


Here's another old classic, this time by Smokey Robinson & The Miracles, "The Tears of A Clown":


And, as a bit of stylistic contrast, here's Joe Cocker's live interpretation of the classic tearjerker "Cry Me A River":


Finally, since I just saw them perform this song live in concert a couple weeks ago, here's Guns 'N' Roses with "Don't Cry" (which has been played over 400 million times on YouTube):


Excellent battle this week, with four classic songs and artists. I'll be back to vote later in the week after further reflection on this week's contestants.

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Impossible contest, with every song a classic and great.  and most of the supplemental songs suggested such as "Crying in the Chapel"--(naw, Larry, gotta go with Elvis, but thanks much for the Johnny Ray mention and the need for a movie); Badfinger, and Roy Orbison, even Dion.  Been playing the Lesley Gore Bear Family boxed set recently, so that is the "Cry Me a River" that's on my mind right now.  and "No More Tears Left to Cry" and "Judy's Turn" and it's her party, and so forth.  Lot of crying.  "ooh Baby Baby" by Smokey of course, who felt he was about at, the end of his rope...Everly's "Crying in the Rain," Temps, "I Wish it Would Rain,"  Chuck Jackson "I Wake Up Crying" and "I Don't Want to Cry".  and Jackie Wilson "Lonely Teardrops."   Mayer Hawthorne, copying the Temps: "I Wish that it would Rain."  (he made it 'his' you say, by adding the word 'that'). ha

1.  "In My Room" by the greatest artist ever

yes, he cried, but the song is not about being defeated but overcoming by force of spirit. 

2.  "Heartbreak Hotel"

no, as a song, it's not as good as "Stand by Me" but as great as Ben E. King was, Elvis was greater.

3.  "Stand by Me"

What Brian Wilson is to me, I think Ben E. King was to Willy Deville

4.  "Walk on By"

Brian and Smokey out-sang Dionne to my ears.  or maybe I just think Girls naturally get over it easier, so the song hits harder with guy voice.
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kds -- Thanks for sharing Badfinger's "Without You". I didn't know Nilsson's was a cover.

Tom -- "Crying" was the second Roy Orbison classic that almost competed this week. The first was: "In Dreams" ("I can't help it, I can't help it, If I cry"). There were too many great tearful songs to choose from.



John -- Thanks for your vote and support for Elvis. If this week had come quicker, the Everly Brothers' "Crying in the Rain" would have made the final four:



Since you both mentioned "Cry Me a River", here's the performance that made it famous by the "smoky", "sultry" Julie London:



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An easy vote this week...

GOLD to the Beach Boys

SILVER for Elvis

BRONZE to Ben E. King

TIN presented to Dionne Warwick....my parents liked her, so I wasn't allowed

I was gonna post 'Crying in the Rain" & "Lonely Teardrops", but John B already name-checked them.

Here's a few:

Four Seasons - Big Girls Don't Cry


Box Tops - Cry Like a Baby


The Police - Driven to Tears


Tommy Roe - Everybody

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All classic, but here's my order:

1.In My Room

2.Stand By Me

3.Walk on By

4. Heartbreak Hotel

Here's two more great crying songs






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Dionne Warwick....my parents liked her, so I wasn't allowed

That doesn't seem quite fair.

Thanks for your votes & songs, t. and John E.

Another one, a big one, from the Walker Brothers: "The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore" ("The tears are always clouding your eyes")


A newer one from the Drums: "It Will All End In Tears"


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Hi Larry.

Four great classics this week.  Sad to see poor Elvis getting such a beating, but he sort of was a caricature of himself for longer than he was himself, and I'd agree that he released much more than his fair share of total crap.  But the good stuff was gold - just not this week.

The Cure, "Boys Don't Cry".  (Pull the other one, it's got bells on it.)



Bic Runga, "No Crying No More".


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ah, bonnie,
i'd resisted adding yet another to my bunch,
but this had to be here, did it not!
thanks for that example of the cure
(with that dancing, burning, red-eyed silhouette of robert smith)
directed by our chum tim pope
who's responsible for all those great cure diveos
(plus loads from soft cellmccartney neil young / bowie / wilco + daltrey 
the the...).
which sort of leads to indulgence (which i pray you'll allow me).
here's a song that's not so much about blubbing but weeping inwardly
- not so much out of nostalgia but at what's become of something beloved,
addressing highly ambivalent reactions / responses to coming back to
one's homeland / hometown.
it was fillumed (crikey - 15 years ago now!) in an east end pub in lunnuntown 
(old kray brothers' stomping ground,
with matt johnson's dad recreating his role as publican).
if you peer intently at around 2:09 - 2:11 you'll see matt glance across at...
yep, me and  ashley languidly lounging in the corner.
the missus is featured rather more prominently at 1:09 - 1:14.
a fun evening of induced ennui was had.

yyyaaawwwnnn, sniffle, bawl...


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That doesn't seem quite fair.

Larry, my folks were more than fair, it was a self imposed restriction!

Here's the flip to the "A Summer Song" 45rpm by Chad & Jeremy - No Tears for Johnny



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kds -- Thanks for sharing Badfinger's "Without You". I didn't know Nilsson's was a cover.

Tom -- "Crying" was the second Roy Orbison classic that almost competed this week. The first was: "In Dreams" ("I can't help it, I can't help it, If I cry"). There were too many great tearful songs to choose from.



John -- Thanks for your vote and support for Elvis. If this week had come quicker, the Everly Brothers' "Crying in the Rain" would have made the final four:



Since you both mentioned "Cry Me a River", here's the performance that made it famous by the "smoky", "sultry" Julie London:





Harry Nilsson did make the song his own, so that's why it's more associated with him than with Badfinger.  
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Dissent to Bonnie's conventional wisdom that 'Elvis was a caricature of himself longer than he was himself.'   He was only 42 when he died, and he was not a caricature in the '68 TV special OR the "Aloha, Live VIA Satelite from Hawaii".   This false cliche' comes from the impersonators: the easiest Elvis to do--by far, is the 'just about to die' version', e.g., fat, jumpsuit, slap some glasses on him, and say 'thank you very much'.  But that was not really him for much of his career.  It certainly was not caricature for Elvis to cover Chuck Berry's "Promised Land" in 1975.  You hear a lot of fatty guys harping on how silly and embarrassing Elvis was.  Play this song and ask them to have a go.   I would even argue that Elvis did great stuff such as "Hurt" and "Pledging My Love" and "Moody Blue" and so forth, right up until near the end, as proven by the recent release 'Live from the Jungle Room'.  

"Cry" was written by a black janitor, I read in Johnnie Whiteside's excellent Johnny Ray bio, "Cry", but he wrote a number of songs himself, including "The Little White Cloud That Cried."

I have to mention "How Soon is Now"?  by the Smiths.

and "Mexico" by Morrissey.   (very timely song, considering current admin. immigration policies...)
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t. -- Your meaning was very clear, but it was fun to think of parents declaring that Dionne was off limits. "No, you can't like her music, it's ours! But you can have Barbra Streisand if you want."

bonnie -- I wondered if "Heartbreak Hotel" might evoke some derision, since it's so Elvis-y. But can a piece of art ever be evaluated purely for itself, without bringing in other considerations, such as the artist's other endeavors? A question for the philosophers.

paul -- You and the missus being in that video is very cool. Speaking as a fan, I think you should have had a close-up too! 

kds -- Nilsson was one of my very favorites until he struck it big and was adopted by one of my parents. "You're wearing out that album! You can have him, but his earlier stuff is still mine!"

Some of Harry's wonderful earlier stuff, both from Aerial Ballet:

"Don't Leave Me" ("The willow weeps and having wept can weep no more, but still it cries for me, it cries in sympathy")


"The Wailing of the Willow" ("Listen to the wailing of the willow, Listen to me crying on my pillow" and "Love must lack a sense of humor, It laughs when other people cry")



John B -- It's the Smiths, "How Soon Is Now?" ("And you go home, and you cry, and you want to die").


PS:  Interesting background to "Cry".
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Churchill Kohlman was an African-American songwriter who wrote Johnnie Ray's 1951 hit, "Cry" while working in a Pittsburgh dry cleaning factory as the night watchman. 

Royalties from "Cry" were the subject of a bitter legal dispute between Kohlman and Perry Alexander, owner of music publisher Mellow Music. Alexander was ordered by arbitrators to pay Kohlman $15,331.24 to settle the dispute in 1953.

Kohlman wrote hundreds of other songs, but none achieved the success of "Cry".



PPS: If you look for "Song Cry" on Wikipedia, you only get the Jay-Z song, not the old one, which is here: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_(Churchill_Kohlman_song)

Time marches on.

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I can't believe people here are bagging this guy, when much of what came after him came only because of him...





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