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Darren J. Ray

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Gold - In My Room (The Beach Boys - 1963)
Hard to believe this record came hot on the heels of the Surfin’ USA LP. The Boys matured so quickly. Those voices, that production, that melody.

Silver - Heartbreak Hotel (Elvis Presley - 1956)
It can be viewed as the one that started it all. This is history. As a song, I like thousands better. But it’s deserving of Gold.

Bronze - Stand By Me (Ben E. King - 1961)
The John Lennon version would’ve been my Gold. A toss-up between this and Dionne. I wrote to Mike Stoller last year and was thrilled to receive a lengthy and entertaining reply from his son Peter.

Participant - Walk On By (Dionne Warwick - 1964)
I recently read Burt Bacharach’s autobiography. Very candid. Unusual guy, too. Little wonder he’s been married four times. Saw him in concert back in the ‘90s.


My favourite version of ‘Crying’; #5 in the US, #1 in the UK….



John singing ‘Stand By Me’ live in the studio….

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I can't believe people here are bagging this guy, when much of what came after him came only because of him...






I'm not denying the fact that he influenced loads of music, but he really was only a PERFORMER, not an artist. Artists CREATE their own music.

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Thanks for your votes, Darren, and thanks to you and GGH for the additional videos. I think we're beginning to see a bit of a pattern in the voting.

As host, I shall remain neutral in the Elvis debate (aside from voting). However, here are two from his first album:

"I'm Gonna Sit Right Down and Cry (Over You")


"I'll Never Let You Go (Little Darlin')" ("I'm so sorry 'cause I made you cry", etc.)



From another cultural icon:

Madonna, "Don't Cry For Me Argentina"


The original recording from Julie Covington:


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Mr. Franz this is SOOOO challenging a week - the criers. I've taken out my slice and dice-o-matic to vote this one properly.

The GOLD this week to the Leiber and Stoller classic, and sung by former Drifter, Ben E. KIng - Stand By Me. It's just a monster of a song. Here are some other people who did it their way:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2015/05/01/10-great-versions-of-ben-e-kings-stand-by-me/77551688/

The Silver to none other than the King of all rock and roll and his first RCA hit (again a cross-overy type of song) and written by Hoyt Axton's mom who shopped the song to Elvis. Searing country blues that'll make you so lonely, you could .....

Tough to make this one bronze this week but the comp was too tough. Dennis called it make out music. Still a Beach Boy classic with the little drop down (I call it) trick that was used in the early days but just go back to album number one and Moon Dawg to understand what I'm talking about. The harmony is tight and following Surfe Girl with the triplet feel. Love it.

Tough to put Bachrach and David and Dionne at the bottom this week but have no choice. I still think that she was one of our instructors at Hartt School when we were kids. It was in downtown Hartford in those days but she wasn't there long as her career picked up. This is also a great song but not a groundbreaker like the top two are. ALL well written and performed.

Puttin' my handkerchief away now and sending in my votes. TOUGH week, Larry.


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Like I said...I'm approximately 50/50 on Elvis.  I said that he did, indeed, record some great songs.  Given. Granted.  He also recorded several multi dump truck loads of pure, unadulterated, fly attracting manure flecked with dreck.  Why is he so easy to emulate...even in 2017?  Maybe it's because he was always a bit of a caricature...almost right from day 1...and certainly since he was released, drug addled, from his stint with in the 'services'?  Maybe HE, himself was also the original Elvis impersonator?

For sure a half-baked guitarist albeit with some TRUE and VALID  abilities as a 88s-ist who couldn't write even a half decent HIT song is not, was not, and never [truly] was "the king of rock 'n' roll.'  All he really was ... was a white guy having a valid 'go' at singin' black people's music.  That [was it?] NBC special with him in the Black Leathers in 1969 was truly impressive, real and valid.  That white jump-suit...I'm Mr. Karate...poop in the early 70s and going forward was merely and sadly just a washed up sell-out pandered to the rich...but not  at all to actual music lovers with an ear pointed toward the best of what's happening 'now'.

To me?  For the most part...Presley was a burnt out, washed out facsimilie from approximately 1960-61.  Yes he still released the odd 'decent' song after that...but really?...add 'em up...not very many.

The King?  No.  Prince Poop?  Ahhhhhhhhhhhh... ... ...no.  Fart the Messenger Boy?  well...O.K...I guess so.
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Glen Campbell, 1936-2017

"And she'll cry just to think I'd really leave her"

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I think Lee just doesn't know Elvis very well, at least not his material.  Maybe for that Canadian, it's like what Jim Bouton admitted about himself, echoing a Lenny Bruce joke, 'you just don't want to wake up in the middle of your heart or brain surgery and hear the doctor talking with a southern accent.'   See, back in the late 50's/very early 60's, Lenny and Jim pictured George Wallace standing in front of a college trying to keep a black woman out...or policemen spraying black people with firemans' hoses for drinking out of the wrong water fountain.  I get it.  It's wrong though.  There are cool things about the South and cool people.  Elvis was one, and for the record, he would be firmly in the column of supporting the outcome of the Civil War...

Like to suggest 2 very good books on the subject, both by Peter Garalnick, and I think they can be had for about 10-12$ bucks each in paperback.

1) 'Last Train to Memphis' and
2) 'Careless Love, the Unmasking of Elvis Presley'

I love them both, but actually liked the later Elvis story, beginning about 1960, even better.  Informs how often he tried to record good material--and the effort to do so almost always came from himself.
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Like I said...I'm approximately 50/50 on Elvis.  I said that he did, indeed, record some great songs.  Given. Granted.  He also recorded several multi dump truck loads of pure, unadulterated, fly attracting manure flecked with dreck.  Why is he so easy to emulate...even in 2017?  Maybe it's because he was always a bit of a caricature...almost right from day 1...and certainly since he was released, drug addled, from his stint with in the 'services'?  Maybe HE, himself was also the original Elvis impersonator?

For sure a half-baked guitarist albeit with some TRUE and VALID  abilities as a 88s-ist who couldn't write even a half decent HIT song is not, was not, and never [truly] was "the king of rock 'n' roll.'  All he really was ... was a white guy having a valid 'go' at singin' black people's music.  That [was it?] NBC special with him in the Black Leathers in 1969 was truly impressive, real and valid.  That white jump-suit...I'm Mr. Karate...poop in the early 70s and going forward was merely and sadly just a washed up sell-out pandered to the rich...but not  at all to actual music lovers with an ear pointed toward the best of what's happening 'now'.

To me?  For the most part...Presley was a burnt out, washed out facsimilie from approximately 1960-61.  Yes he still released the odd 'decent' song after that...but really?...add 'em up...not very many.

The King?  No.  Prince Poop?  Ahhhhhhhhhhhh... ... ...no.  Fart the Messenger Boy?  well...O.K...I guess so.

Shart the jester, if you want to compromise.

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John B?  What the heck are you talking about?  George Wallace?  The Civil War.  Elvis' "material"?  Those movie soundtracks?  The drug-related issues which controlled his demise?  The entourage of hangers-on and leaches who didn't give a rat's bottom about the man and who allowed him to just waste away in the self-imposed prison he decided to actually live in?

Elvis was a freak of nature.  Some folks fell for his schtick.  I didn't.  Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Richard Penniman, Buddy Holly and even Dion Dimucci just ate his lunch.  Elvis was a poser.  Better than Frankie Avalon, Bobby Rydell and Fabian?  For sure.  WAY better.  But the "king"?  The freakin' king?  No way.  Not a chance.  It was a con.

You don't think that the public can be conned?  Who's your 'president'?
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Elvis was one of the important people of the last century. Rock doesn't become rock without him. No Beatles to follow. They got it. No Beatles, then no Pet Sounds as MIke convinces everyone to stay with the formula.

Yes, he got hung up in the movie soundtracks. Yes, he kept the Vegas thing going and I CAUGHT the show from the second row in1975. GREATEST concert event I ever experienced. It was incredible!!!!!!!! I got it!!!!!!!!! His band - incredible, kind of like the man we come to this site for.

A key figure (thank you Sam Phillips and Marion Keisker for discovering the man) who got the ball rolling and KEPT it going. A shame that we lost him so young.

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Al - Thanks for your votes. You opened new territory in the voting. [smile]

Now seems like a good time to try looking on the bright side. (As bright as it's likely to get this week)

The Four Tops, "Reach Out" ("And through your tears you look around")


The Marvelettes, "Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers"


The Beach Boys, "Finders Keepers" ("Losers weepers")


Van Morrison, "Glad Tidings" ("So believe no lies, dry your eyes and realize")


Tina Turner, "River Deep, Mountain High" ("If I lost you, would I cry")


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To me?  For the most part...Presley was a burnt out, washed out facsimilie from approximately 1960-61.  Yes he still released the odd 'decent' song after that...but really?...add 'em up...not very many.


C'mon, Lee. How about these two Elvis classics from Girls! Girls! Girls! (1962) and Double Trouble (1967)?






(Warning: I googled 'Girls, Girls, Girls' and I didn't get the Elvis movie.)


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RIP Glen Campbell [bawl]

(a Bronze in Week 42 of Season I - Darren J. Ray; a Gold in Week 21 of Season V, 6th in Preliminary Final - Jo McGuire)

(a Silver in Week 45 of Season V - Darren J. Ray)

(a Bronze in Week 11 of Season VI - Graciegirl)

(a Bronze in Week 18 of Season VIII - Deb#1)


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Another good man gone with Glen Campbell, who sagely advises at the end of this clip. "If you ain't got your knobs right, you can't do much, so I have heard ..."  lol.



Putting my waders on, I'll slosh into the Elvis debate and add that I really appreciate the guy.  It's sad that he seemed to be a product of both brilliant, and at the same time, terrible management.  I only recently discovered that Elvis almost never toured outside of the US because of the Colonel, who was born in the Netherlands and thought if he left the country he could get deported.  So Elvis just crossed the border to Canada a few times ... without the Colonel.  Selfish, no?

Nice Badfinger, kds.  


One of my favourites from Wilson Phillips, and one I used last year in a battle.  Jackson Brown's  "Dr My Eyes".  Brian's talented girls.




Bruce Springsteen, "Mary Don't You Weep".





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