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John B

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Never sure how much of Lee's comments are entirely sincere and how much are hyperbole--trying to get my goat, so to speak.  That's fine.  I have multiple blood brothers, a wife, and good friends who do the same thing.  Very Southern.  VERY Texan.  That's fine.   I can play that way too.

This is my worry/concern, that is not so very different than Eric Cartman's theory on the subject.  The hippies were and are VERY selfish and everything, I mean every single thing that was not especially tailored (with Nehru and whatnot) for them, was devalued in comparison to "their" music.  Call it the 'Big Chill' if you want.  So-- the rule book says diss Elvis (as you dissed Sinatra), in ways that you would never think about doing to say Jim Morrison (who was by any criteria, so very very much MORE drug-addled, Johnny-one-note, and unimportant).  Elvis was not a hippy.  Check mark against.  Elvis did not get played on FM by DJ's smoking pot.  Check mark against. 

I repeat, I feel anti-Southern bigotry in any lack of props for Elvis, as I did for Bill Clinton, and even George W. Bush.  (okay, bad example, the latest, but truly, he was not a bad president because he was dumb.  Funny, the same people who harp on W's lack of smarts don't say the same thing about Trump.  Why?  The Southern accent).  So, bring out all those cliché's about fried snickers bars and fast food and Walmart, and (The Simpson's) Cletis' inbred inlaws.  I've heard them all. 

Bonnie has something there about the Colonel, and Elvis never playing abroad.  But...it is telling how little the Colonel interceded in musical matters.  He was all about the biz, as it was defined BEFORE the hippies, and let's be fair, by that criteria, I understand Elvis' loyalty to him.  The movies?   They were THAT bad?  Well, yes, some were, not all were, including after the Army.   Was "HELP" or "Yellow Submarine" that much better?  I don't think so.  Check out the music to "Tickle Me."  Not sure if the Beatles were EVER that good.  No I AM sure--they weren't.  But again, I wasn't a hippy.  Lee was stepping on my pet crawfish because I wasn't the right age and hair-length.  That's why I became a punk..
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kds

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Originally Posted by John B
Never sure how much of Lee's comments are entirely sincere and how much are hyperbole--trying to get my goat, so to speak.  That's fine.  I have multiple blood brothers, a wife, and good friends who do the same thing.  Very Southern.  VERY Texan.  That's fine.   I can play that way too.

This is my worry/concern, that is not so very different than Eric Cartman's theory on the subject.  The hippies were and are VERY selfish and everything, I mean every single thing that was not especially tailored (with Nehru and whatnot) for them, was devalued in comparison to "their" music.  Call it the 'Big Chill' if you want.  So-- the rule book says diss Elvis (as you dissed Sinatra), in ways that you would never think about doing to say Jim Morrison (who was by any criteria, so very very much MORE drug-addled, Johnny-one-note, and unimportant).  Elvis was not a hippy.  Check mark against.  Elvis did not get played on FM by DJ's smoking pot.  Check mark against. 

I repeat, I feel anti-Southern bigotry in any lack of props for Elvis, as I did for Bill Clinton, and even George W. Bush.  (okay, bad example, the latest, but truly, he was not a bad president because he was dumb.  Funny, the same people who harp on W's lack of smarts don't say the same thing about Trump.  Why?  The Southern accent).  So, bring out all those cliché's about fried snickers bars and fast food and Walmart, and (The Simpson's) Cletis' inbred inlaws.  I've heard them all. 

Bonnie has something there about the Colonel, and Elvis never playing abroad.  But...it is telling how little the Colonel interceded in musical matters.  He was all about the biz, as it was defined BEFORE the hippies, and let's be fair, by that criteria, I understand Elvis' loyalty to him.  The movies?   They were THAT bad?  Well, yes, some were, not all were, including after the Army.   Was "HELP" or "Yellow Submarine" that much better?  I don't think so.  Check out the music to "Tickle Me."  Not sure if the Beatles were EVER that good.  No I AM sure--they weren't.  But again, I wasn't a hippy.  Lee was stepping on my pet crawfish because I wasn't the right age and hair-length.  That's why I became a punk..


After reading that, I feel like crying.  
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John B

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now, kds is clowning me...

that's okay, one day we'll put every Styx and Rush fan out of business! 
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kds

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now, kds is clowning me...

that's okay, one day we'll put every Styx and Rush fan out of business! 


It's been awhile since I've said this, but

John B, what in the world are you talking about??  

Put every Styx and Rush fan out of business??  Out of what business??  
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John B

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Baby Boomers....please help kds out, here!  ha.

and Kds...ask them what they did to their mother, Shelly Winters!   not very peace and love and togetherness, I tell you what...
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Baby Boomers....please help kds out, here!  ha.


Reading these posts, I don't think I'm the one who needs help, John.

Hippies, baby boomers, punks.  You're way too hung up on labels.  
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John B

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Well, 'nothing can change the shape of things to come.'  That's all I gotta say, brother! [smile]
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Darren J. Ray

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 Was "HELP" or "Yellow Submarine" that much better?  I don't think so.  Check out the music to "Tickle Me."  Not sure if the Beatles were EVER that good.  No I AM sure--they weren't. 


I love your passion, John, but which specific song from Tickle Me do you think is better than 'Help!', 'You're Going to Lose That Girl' or 'Ticket to Ride'?
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Larry Franz

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I thought the song might be polarizing, not the artist. By the way, it's true he wasn't a songwriter, but isn't anyone who makes a significant contribution to the making of art an artist?

Elvis Presley, born in Tupelo, Mississippi, is held in especially high regard in the American South, and "especially" is too weak a word. But criticism of his work or his place in the culture isn't necessarily criticism of the South. 

In other news, the U.S. Secretary of State says Americans should sleep well at night. No mention of Koreans, either South or North.


Two classics from another artistic son of the South, Hank Williams (from Mount Olive, Alabama):

"You're Cheatin' Heart" ("Will make you weep, You'll cry and cry, And try to sleep" and "When tears come down, Like falling rain")


"I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" ("Did you ever see a robin cry?" Answer: No)



And two from yet another, Johnny Cash (from Kingsland, Arkansas, which is about 80 miles east of Glen Campbell's Delight, Arkansas, and 500 miles east of Roy Orbison's Vernon, Texas):

"Folsom Prison Blues" ("I hang my head and cry")


"Cry, Cry, Cry"



Note: If Elvis Presley, Glen Campbell, Johnny Cash and Roy Orbison were all alive today, they'd be 82, 81, 85 and 81, respectively. All white guys born in the South during the Great Depression. Ben E. King, not a white guy, was also born in the South (Henderson, North Carolina) during the Depression. He'd only be 78.

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John B

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Someone who knows that album as well as I do, is going to ask for an asterisk*, because almost none of the songs were "new."  One, even, "It Feels So Right" which I certainly would place above your cited Beatles tunes, Moderator Darren, was even rereleased from the 1960 album (yes, after the Army, and one of Elvis' very best albums, "Elvis is Back.").  It was even a single, but I think since it only charted about #50, back in 1960, they thought, why not bring it back for this 1965 movie.

Other songs from the "Tickle Me" soundtrack (and I'm sticking with the American version, although I've seen even greater 2-album releases from other countries), include: "Put the Blame on Me," "Dirty, Dirty Feeling," and "Slowly, but Surely."  I think if my memory serves, the last one was the movie's concluding song, after Elvis swung on a door and all the bad guys who punched him in the haunted house, fall into the mud, so he can walk out triumphantly with a very attractive female co-star.  No evil Brown people from overseas were trying to saw off his finger, though...

"the Night Before" is my fave 'Help' song.

oh, sorry, make that my 2nd fave, and my fave is "It's Only Love." 

this is one of the Beatles best albums, but,
as difficult as it is to believe, the 'Tickle Me' soundtrack--thanks to very great songwriters like Leiber & Stoller etc., is one of Elvis' best albums. 
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dkmh

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I can't believe people here are bagging this guy, when much of what came after him came only because of him...







I agree Darren. He had a storied career (as MANY musicians tend to have), definitely with the help of questionable people who loved to manipulate him. What he did do was help open the flood gates for others who came after him. When he was good, he was awesome.
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dkmh

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Gold - In My Room
Silver - Heartbreak Hotel
Bronze - Stand By Me
Tin - Walk On By
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dkmh

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In honor of Elvis, here are two of his songs covered by my favorite man in the mirror suit, Chris Isaak. I have seen him over 30+ times as he used to play in the clubs in my old stomping ground of San Francisco and the surrounding Bay Area. Chris recorded an album at Sun Records. Elvis and many like him were a big influence on Chris. I don't care for the "king" title Elvis came to have, but he didn't give it to himself.

Chris also recorded many original songs related to cryin, tears, etc. I couldn't choose which one to share so go check them out.


It's Now or Never


Can't Help Falling In Love With You


Chris Isaak - Fade Away


Chris Isaak's own hotel song- Blue Hotel


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Lisa G/TS

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Still working on my ballot...but thought we could use a humorous intermission here with a couple of suitable Spinal Tip snippets.

First, "Heartbreak Hotel" with some attempted harmonizing:




Plus, their first song that fits the theme with the line "...and I'm gonna cry, cry, cry all the way home":



next time I'm here, it'll be with my ballot ready - Promise!
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dkmh

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Originally Posted by GGH

I'm not denying the fact that he influenced loads of music, but he really was only a PERFORMER, not an artist. Artists CREATE their own music.


Someone has to sing it. Especially when the "artist" is incapable of doing so, either for lack of talent, or insecurity. Singers bring the songwriters "art" to life. Otherwise, they just remain words on a page.

Elvis was a performer with talent. Performers are also artists in their own right. Think about that. If you wrote a song and couldn't or wouldn't sing it yourself, you would need a singer who was capable of artistically getting your point across.
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