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Larry Franz

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Reply with quote  #46 
Originally Posted by D.A.N

D.A.N. -- Thanks for your votes & for ruining the Who's perfect streak

[my bolding] 

I was surprised, but I guess I shouldn't be.

I shouldn't have been surprised either but still am.

Lisa & bonnie: Thanks for your votes and for bringing some variety to the proceedings.

What could be next? Their best album, their worst, their album with the best cover art? I think I'm done with the concept. More importantly, did Schroeder show up for his concert and what did he play??? I hope he did and played "Watching the Detectives".

Darren & Al: Thanks for the additional tracks. Listening to one of Brian's studio albums always makes me wonder if he'll grace us with another one.

From the "B" part of the list:

The Beatles - "Boys", Please Please Me, 1963

Beach Fossils - "Sometimes", Beach Fossils, 2010

Best Coast - "When I'm With You", Crazy For You, 2010 (starts slowly)

The Beau Brummels - "Just a Little", Introducing the Beau Brummels, 1965

paul g adsett

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Reply with quote  #47 

gold: 'my generation'

silver: 'alison'

bronze: melt away'

tin: 'heads you win, tails i lose'

either of the first two could've crept up there and stayed.
but they jiggled about during the week.
as first albums,
the costello one remains a firm favourite
and is a superior lp to any of the others here.
but the who single is just superb.
the bw album was a fresh burst of something unexpected
and the start of a new voyage for all of us.
but there's not a track upon it that has quite the impact of my gold.
oh, fourth place - oh, it's ok, innit, but, the fire wasn't quite alight.


Larry Franz

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Reply with quote  #48 
paul -- thanks for your votes. Difficulty works for me.

Score-wise, with a mere 13 voters, there is perfect asymmetry between two of the songs (one's score is the exact reverse of the other's). And the other two songs are only separated by one point. I'll be back with the final scores later tonight. Please don't wait up.

Emptying the official Their First Album queue:

Surfer Blood - "Take It Easy", Astro Coast, 2010

Lucius - "Turn It Around", Wildewoman, 2014

The Miracles - "A Heart Like Mine" and "Shop Around", Hi, We're the Miracles, 1961 (that's a very friendly album title. And a cheerful cover too)

Otis Redding - "I Need Your Lovin'" and "Stand By Me"


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Reply with quote  #49 

Gold: The Who, "My Generation" - I'm now part of that baby boomer generation that are ffff-ading away

Silver: Elvis Costello, "Alison" - Still find the inferior Elvis over rated but this ain't bad

Bronze: Brian Wilson, "Melt Away"

Tin:  The Beach Boys, "Heads You Win, Tails I Lose"



Larry Franz

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Reply with quote  #50 
Thanks st. kilda 4ever. That fading generation. You and me both.

I feel compelled to jump in here again because now the other two songs also have perfectly asymmetrical scores. That means two of the songs have scores that are exactly the reverse of each other and now the other two do as well.  

There is a certain kind of person who finds this kind of thing interesting.


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Reply with quote  #51 
When it's not your generation, it doesn't necessarily have quite the same impact. 

That's my excuse too
Tom Tobben

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Reply with quote  #52 
First, welcome back to Lisa and Lee. Your presence, insights, and humor were missed during your respective absences. 

My voting rankings were easy this week. My first three choices were all excellent songs, while the last was mere debut album filler in my opinion.

Gold -- "Alison", Elvis Costello. I've been a big EC fan since his very first album with so many excellent songs, and I've owned nearly all of his albums for a long time. In fact, his first several albums were all stellar -- My Aim Is True, This Year's Model, and Armed Forces.  Those albums, and a number of his later albums and songs demonstrated his ability to write lots of excellent songs in a variety of styles and with some excellent lyrics. Here's another one of my favorites from his debut album and, despite what his title might say, yes he was:

Though not as impactful, in my opinion, Linda Ronstadt also did a lovely pop cover of this song:

Silver --  "My Generation", The Who. Certainly an impactful generational song for a bunch of rebellious 60s boomers and an attention-grabbing debut hit. But, both when I was a teenager at the time and certainly since then, I've never agreed with their premise of "hope I die before I get old". In that case, I would have checked out way too young and missed way too many of the joys of life. Unfortunately, too many of the Who's "generation" did take this advice through their lifestyles, including a number of members of the "27 club" and Who member Keith Moon. Much better than their debut album, in my opinion, was the Who's second album, A Quick One, which really began to demonstrate the group's diverse and creative talents. 

Bronze --
"Melt Away", Brian Wilson. A lovely song and gorgeous stacked solo harmonies from Brian's solo debut album and just one of a number of excellent songs that demonstrated that "Brian was (really) back, and could once again flourish as a solo artist, and perhaps better than continuing to struggle with his often dysfunctional and contentious band. And just consider how much wonderful music solo Brian has given his fans in the nearly 30 years since then. Brian doesn't need the current Beach Boys; they need him and his considerable songwriting and arranging talents. 

Tin -- "Heads You Win, Tails I Lose", The Beach Boys. There were only a few good songs from their debut album (e.g., "Surfin' Safari", "409), and this wasn't one. The Beach Boys and Brian's songwriting showed good progress on their second album, Surfin' U.S.A., and they really hit their creative stride by their third album, Surfer Girl, one of my favorite Beach Boys albums.  

Here's some excellent songs from some of my other favorite debut albums:

Elvis Costello's contemporary, Joe Jackson, had this excellent hit, "Is She Really Going Out with Him", from his debut album, Look Sharp, at about the same time as Costello:

From Can't Buy A Thrill, here's Steely Dan's "Do It Again":

Has anyone yet mentioned the Wondermints? Here's the lovely "Tracy Hide" from their self-titled 1995 debut album:

Here's Oakland's Tower of Power with "Back on the Streets Again", from their East Bay funk debut album, East Bay Grease:

Without resorting to their all-time classic, "Light My Fire", here's The Doors with "Break on Through" from their eponymous debut album, The Doors:

And with an alternative perspective from the Who's "My Generation", here's one of my all-time favorite pop harmony groups, The Association, with "Enter the Young" from their debut album, And Then...Along Comes the Association, just one of a number excellent songs from that album:

Another great California pop harmony group, The Turtles, had this excellent song, "Let Me Be", on their debut album, It Ain't Me, Babe:

And another mid-60s group, the Lovin' Spoonful, made their debut with the album Do You Believe in Magic which, in addition to the title debut hit, also included the hit, "Did You Ever Have to Make Up Your Mind":

From his 1986 debut album, Guitar Town, here's Steve Earle with the title track, which I featured here in a battle some years ago:

R.E.M. first came onto the music scene with their debut album, Murmur, which included their  notable song, "Radio Free Europe":

The East L.A. band War had their debut album with Eric Burdon, Eric Burdon Declares War, which yielded this debut hit for the band:

The Zac Brown Band had a number of excellent songs on their multi-award winning commercial debut album, The Foundation, including this now classic ZBB song:

Finally, here's the award-winning title song from Chris Stapleton's multi-award winning debut album, Traveler, from 2015:

Excellent battle theme exploring some favorite artists' earliest music, Larry!

Larry Franz

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Reply with quote  #53 
bonnie said: When it's not your generation, it doesn't necessarily have quite the same impact. 

D.A.N. said: That's my excuse too

The Who are 7 or 8 years older than me, so I'm probably part of their generation. But I never felt the song was speaking for me. Maybe I didn't get around enough or feel that oppressed by the older generation.

Tom -- You thought of the Doors and I didn't, although I kept wondering if I'd forgotten somebody this week. I loved their first two albums.

"The Crystal Ship" and "Twentieth Century Fox" (1967)

I'll post the final scores in a bit, but first: the scores when they were asymmetrical (before Tom voted and made the scores ugly again)

Larry Franz

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Reply with quote  #54 
I thought Brian would do much better this week, even against the Who and Elvis C.

Final score with 15 voters:

Gold:  The Who  "My Generation"              55 points (11, 3, 1, 0)

Silver:  Elvis Costello, "Alison"                   39 points (2, 7, 4, 2)

Bronze:  Brian Wilson, "Melt Away"            37 points (2, 4, 8, 1) 

Tin: The Beach Boys, "Heads You Win..."   19 points (0, 1, 2, 12)

Thanks to everyone who participated.


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Reply with quote  #55 
That symmetry thing is (ok, was) very cool.  I'll have to investigate. 
Darren J. Ray

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Reply with quote  #56 

Well done, Larry. And well hosted.

'My Generation' is the twelfth entry and second Gold for the Who.

Their record is:

See Me, Feel Me/Listening to You (a Bronze in Week 8 of Season II, 2nd in the Bronze Play-Off - Cynthia D. Hood), 
Slip Kid (a Bronze in Week 13 of Season III - Michael F. Becher), 
Happy Jack (a Silver in Week 23 of Season III - Michael F. Becher), 
Summertime Blues (a Tin in Week 21 of Season IV - Al Forsyth), 
Someone's Coming (a Silver in Week 6 of Season V - Deb#1), 
Cut My Hair (a Tin in Week 30 of Season VI, 6th in Tin Play-Off - paul g adsett), 
Pinball Wizard (a Gold in Week 38 of Season VI - Deb#1),
Sunrise (a Bronze in Week 29 of Season VII, 3rd in Bronze Play-Off - Larry Franz), 
Eminence Front (a Silver in Week 1 of Season VIII - Cindy Hood),
Sea and Sand (a Silver in Week 2 of Season VIII - kds), 
Welcome (a Bronze in Week 6 of Season VIII - Tom Tobben),
My Generation (a Gold in Week 15 of Season IX - Larry Franz)

‘Alison’ is Elvis Costello’s fourth entry.

His record:

Turning the Town Red (a Bronze in Week 42 of Season IV, 9th in Bronze Play-Off - Teenage Symphony),
(What’s So Funny ‘Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding (a Silver in Week 16 of Season V - Larry Franz),
Watching the Detectives (a Bronze in Week 38 of Season VII - Deb#1),
Alison (a Silver in Week 15 of Season IX - Larry Franz)

‘Melt Away’ is the fifth track from Brian Wilson to be used.

Its record:

Love and Mercy (a Bronze in Week 41 of Season I - Deborah O’Neill; a Gold in Week 17 of Season VI, 8th in Gold Play-Off - Kevin Witts),

Melt Away (a Bronze in Week 15 of Season IX - Larry Franz),

One for the Boys (a Tin in Week 22 of Season V, 2nd in Tin Play-Off - Al Forsyth; a Gold in Week 45 of Season VII - Deb#1),

Let It Shine (a Silver in Week 18 of Season III - Gordo1),

Rio Grande (a Gold in Week 18 of Season II - Teenage Symphony; a Silver in Week 4 of Season VII, 3rd in Silver Play-Off - t Bedford, a Gold in Week 12 of Season IX - Tom Tobben)

A live version of ‘Love and Mercy’ from 2001 won the Silver in Week 45 of Season III (Al Forsyth), came 2nd in the Silver Play-Off and finished 7th in the Preliminary Final that year.

Nelson Bragg’s cover of ‘Baby Let Your Hair Grow Long’ from 2012 won the Gold in Week 30 of Season VI (paul g adsett).

A live version of ‘Night Time’ from 1988 won the Tin in Week 4 of Season II (Joy B) and finished 5th in the Tin Play-Off.

'Heads You Win-Tails I Lose' is only the fifth song from Surfin' Safari to be selected. 

None of its songs have made play-offs. 

Its record: 

Surfin' Safari (a Gold in Week 28 of Season III - D.A.N),
Chug-A-Lug (a Bronze in Week 11 of Season VII - Tom Tobben), 
409 (a Gold in Week 34 of Season III - Deb#1; a Bronze in Week 13 of Season V - Peter Simpson), 
Heads You Win-Tails I Lose (a Tin in Week 15 of Season IX - Larry Franz), 
Summertime Blues (a Silver in Week 13 of Season VI - paul g adsett)

As we know, the Beach Boys discography is huge. Of the studio albums comprising of new or almost new material – and not counting oddities/rare versions – only four Beach Boys albums have not spawned any play-off contestants as yet. They are Surfin’ Safari (1962), Little Deuce Coupe (1963) (although the single version of ‘Be True to Your School’ has twice made play-offs), The Beach Boys (1985) and Summer in Paradise (1992).

The week has created a record.

‘Heads You Win-Tails I Lose’ now has the worst score ever for a Beach Boys record or, in fact, any BB/BW associated song.  

It scored just 19 points and 12.67% of the vote (from 15 voters).

‘Stoked’ (from Surfin USA) had been the holder of this dubious honour with 23 points and 14.37% from 16 voters, back in Week 2 of Season II (Al Forsyth).

The worst performed Beach Boys or BB/BW associated tracks over the last nine seasons are the following:

Heads You Win-Tails I Lose (The Beach Boys - 1962) (Week 15, Season IX, Larry Franz) (19 points, 12.67% from 15 voters)

Stoked (The Beach Boys - 1963) (Week 2, Season II, Al Forsyth) (23, 14.37, 16 voters)

The Bright Light of Glasgow (Celsi, Bragg & Maitland - 2017) (Week 31, Season VIII, paul g adsett) (23, 15.33, 15 voters)

Comin’ On Too Strong (Wayne Newton - 1964) (Week 42, Season III, Jo McGuire) (24, 13.33, 18 voters)

America I Know You (Stephen Kalinich - 1969/2008) (Week 43, Season II, Paul Adsett) (24, 16.00, 15 voters)

Be True to Your School (live) (The Beach Boys - 1981) (Week 1, Season IX, The Egg) (27.5, 17.18, 16 voters)

Hot Fun In the Summertime (The Beach Boys - 1992) (Week 36, Season II, Cynthia D. Hood) (30.5, 15.25, 20 voters)

Time to Get Alone (Redwood - 1967/1993) (Week 41, Season VII, Tom Tobben) (30.5, 17.94, 17 voters)

The Grammy (Carl Wilson - 1981) (Week 28, Season VI, Cindy Hood) (31, 15.50, 20 voters)

Student Demonstration Time (The Beach Boys - 1971) (Week 26, Season VII, Cindy Hood) (32, 15.24, 21 voters)

Farmer’s Daughter (Basil Swift & The Seegrams - 1965) (Week 12, Season IV, Darren J. Ray) (32, 16.00, 20 voters)

Graduation Day (The Four Freshmen - 1956) (Week 37, Season V, snoops71) (32.5, 14.77, 22 voters)

No Wrong Notes in Heaven (Scott Bennett - 2006) (Week 35, Season IV, Cindy Hood) (33, 17.37, 19 voters)

Kleines Surfer Girl (Die Strandjungs - circa 1993) (Week 13, Season IX, D.A.N) (33, 23.57, 14 voters)

Summer of Love (The Beach Boys - 1992) (Week 37, Season VI, Darren J. Ray) (33.5, 17.63, 19 voters)

Barbara Ann (The Regents - 1961) (Week 1, Season II, Al Forsyth) (34, 16.19, 21 voters)

Little Pad (The Beach Boys - 1967) (Week 17, Season V, D.A.N) (34.5, 15.00, 23 voters)

You’re Welcome (The Beach Boys - 1967) (Week 6, Season VIII, Tom Tobben) (35, 19.44, 18 voters)

‘My Generation’ is an outside chance of making play-offs.

Please continue to support the hosts who prepare their weeks for our entertainment. 



Larry Franz

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Reply with quote  #57 
Originally Posted by Darren J. Ray
The week has created a record.

‘Heads You Win-Tails I Lose’ now has the worst score ever for a Beach Boys record or, in fact, any BB/BW associated song.  

It scored just 19 points and 12.67% of the vote (from 15 voters).

Coming next year to a battle near you:

Their First Album

The Who, "My Generation"
Elvis Costello, "Alison"
Brian Wilson, "Melt Away"
The Beach Boys, "Surfin' Safari"


Darren J. Ray

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Reply with quote  #58 
I have a soft spot for 'Little Girl (You're My Miss America)', Larry, although I seem to be in the minority there. 

And obviously 'Surfin'' has never been used. 

Also 'County Fair', featuring Nik Venet as the barker and 17 year old Andrea Carlo, apparently David Marks' aunt, as the girlfriend. Some here might give it extra points for her calling poor Mike a loser. 

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