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Darren J. Ray

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Tom Tobben

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In addition to the other Tony Burrows one-hit-wonder group songs listed this week, here is another 70s pop hits where he was one of the lead vocalists:

Seems as though he was a pop chameleon back in those days in order to garner additional hit recordings. 

Back to vote later in the week after a few more spins of these familiar pop hits from the "Have A Nice Day" 1970s era. Rhino managed to release a series of 25 "Have A Nice Day" albums featuring pop hits from the end of the 60s and 1970s, many of which were one-hit wonders, and I've got all 25 of them on CDs. Some really good hits and rarities, and also a few stinkers. 

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Popeye (not the sailor)

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My (almost) Tony Burrows votes:

Gold: Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) - Edison Lighthouse - A groovy song that grows on you.

Silver: Beach Baby - First Class - Loved it then love it still.

Bronze: My Baby Loves Lovin’ - White Plains - Bubblelicious.

Tin: I Live for the Sun - Sunrays - Good song but I can't hear Tony on it.

This smilesque sounding song was most likely inspired by Brian's pet sounds.

Flowerpot Men (Featuring Tony Burrows)

Thanks Darren!!!
John B

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wow, never heard that before.  Great song, thanks, Popeye!
Al Forsyth

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Tom, "The Have A Nice Day" comps, I remember, but what a mish-mash of songs. More on Tony B.
They went from:


Venus, anyone?
I had moved from the pop radio at this time to more of the album oriented stations FM.  But still you'd hear AM (work/radio). 
More looking to:

(Great version of this  ^ by Eric Clapton and Stevie Winwood out there).
Have a nice day![smile][confused][nono]

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
Verden McCutcheon

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  Season 9 Week 37.....

                             1)Beach Baby.....Good song for the beach genre.would have been better released in say 63-65 timeframe though.

                             2)Love grows....a fine pop tune that sticks in your head which is important to its longevity .

                             3)My Baby loves loving...funny name for a band White Plains..nevertheless this is catchy enough.

                            4)I live for the sun...Its not bad but I just picture Murray going 'screw you Brian I got my own group now'..which I find bothersome.

                                                                                  nice selections Darren !
Darren J. Ray

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Thanks very much to t, stkilda4ever, Graciegirl, John B, Popeye and Verden for the latest votes. 

t, I concur with some of your thoughts. And the theme for The Wombles is an all-time favourite of mine. 

Al, 'I Live for the Sun', by anyone, has never been used before.

stkilda, 'Beach Baby' is certainly a great production. But all these songs are pop gems and were hits. 

Graciegirl, you have great taste. 

John B, Edward Bear's 'You and Me and Mexico' was used by Verden in Season II. It had tough opposition but received one of the lowest scores we've ever had. I remember at the time reading that Quentin Tarantino had described Edward Bear as 'Canada's Beatles'. I remember writing at the time that Quentin Tarantino should listen to more Beatle records!

I always enjoy reading your candid comments. It's one of my favourite aspects of the Battle; reading people's stories, and yours are more often than not hilarious. [thumb]

Small world... Rick Henn, lead vocalist and writer of 'I Live for the Sun', married Kathy Dragon (now deceased), Daryl and Dennis's sister. Yes, those Dragons. 

Protein Brothers
Dennis Dragon & Rick Henn

Rick wrote this song for Kathy....

Stories that Brian Wilson provided backing vocals to this are false. Brian is definitely not on 'Girl On the Beach'. Rick did most of the vocals himself. When Rick wrote it in the mid-'70s, he was unaware the Beach Boys had done a song called 'Girls On the Beach'. I have written proof of all this from Rick Henn himself, courtesy of Beach Boys historian Andrew Doe. 

Rick Henn is a successful writer, musician, arranger and conductor. It's all there for anyone who wants to do the research. 

Looking forward to your votes and comments, Tom. 

Popeye, you gotta love the way they incorporated 'Let's Go to San Francisco' (1967) into the coda of 'Beach Baby' (1974), both co-written and co-produced by John Carter. Check my votes and comments tomorrow.

Thanks, Verden. You're missed when you're not contributing, our good friend. Your opinions are an important part of this. 

Less than 36 hours before the polls close. 

Lisa G/TS

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First off, Darren, my initial reaction to this week echoed Nancy Kerrigan's years ago:

Not terribly enthralled with any, but here goes...

GOLD -- The First Class, Beach Baby -- I'd agree with Verden - this was released about a decade late, but still retro poppy and peppy.

SILVER -- Edison Lighthouse, Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) -- Equal parts cheese and treacle, you want to hate it, but it becomes such an earworm. Tarantino compared Edward Bear to a Canuck version of The Beatles, huh? Either Quentin's way more delusional than we think or he's gotta get out more -- or both!

BRONZE -- White Plains, My Baby Loves Lovin'.

TIN -- The Sunrays, I Live for the Sun -- Nope...nope, nope, nope. Just couldn't get this one near Gold with a clear conscience, although I'd have a clear stomach after becoming violently ill in the effort. Uggh! Yes, that traumatizing scene in "Love and Mercy" where Murry is "cock of the walk" (will that pass the filter?), so proud, TOO proud of this cardboard cutout of his #1 son.  That's my whine with this cheese. 

Honourable mention to Al F., for mentioning "Little Green Bag" which would easily get a GOLD from me regardless of (most?) competitors. That may or may not be a challenge for any uninspired, upcoming hosts.  [biggrin]

Thanks, Darren..

"Stay-cation for the Nation", "Crush that Curve"
Darren J. Ray

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Gold - Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) (Edison Lighthouse - 1970)
One of my favourite songs ever. Great riff, catchy, feel-good song. Great vocals. I used to sing this for my friend Rosemary. I thought I’d written to Tony Burrows once to ask what he’s ad-libbing on the end. Turned out it was just a fan page, and I didn’t get a reply. 
Silver - Beach Baby (The First Class - 1974) 
I’m sure if you asked Brian Wilson what he thought of this song, he’d say he loves it. So much for 'cheese' and musical snobbery! This is the kind of record I would’ve hoped the Beach Boys would’ve written and recorded in the ‘70s instead of that Holland and So Tough yawnfest stuff. Great lyrics, great energy. And THIS was a hit! It’s cute how the tune from ANOTHER Burrows hit is played on the coda - ‘Let’s Go to San Francisco’ (The Flowerpot Men - 1967), also written by John Carter. There was a cover of ‘Beach Baby’ done by the Regents that has appeared on PLENTY of those Various Artists compilations where you just know they’re not the original versions. That’s the same name of the group who originally did ‘Barbara Ann’ which, of course, the Beach Boys covered. I wonder if it’s the same group. 
Bronze - I Live for the Sun (The Sunrays - 1965)
As I said a few weeks ago, this was the song that kind of got me into the Beach Boys. It was in a drink commercial, I think. Catchy as. Also, worth remembering that Eddy Medora posted here a few times, not long before his death in 2006. Both Eddie and drummer/lead vocalist Rick Henn had very complimentary anecdotes on Murry. There are also a few stories and some great photos of the Sunrays and the Beach Boys together. Here are a couple. They were obviously friends. Henn and Brian Wilson co-wrote ’Soulful Old Man Sunshine’.  
We were called the Renegades.  We were a garage band rehearsing in my parents home in Pacific Palisades.  We were in 7th and 8th grade.  I saw a band  perform called the Riptides - they had a local hit called Machine Gun.  My name is Eddy Medora and I was the lead guitar player  for the Sunrays. After I saw the reponse from the crowd, I knew I wanted to start a band.   We played all over West L. A.  There were five of us - Marty, Darrol,  Mike, Ricky, and myself.   We were doing pretty well when Mike moved away.   Darrol also left.  In the first year of high school, I met Steve and Vince.  These guys did not have a band.  They were both good musicians. They asked if they could join our band.  We auditioned them.  After we heard them play, I knew they had all of our votes.   So we continued to perform throughout California as the Renegades.  I played saxaphone, Marty played keyboard, Ricky played drums,  Steve played lead guitar, and Vince played bass and rhythm guitar.   I changed high schools.  I enrolled in Hollywood Professional.   In 1963,  I met Carl and Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys.  At that time the Beach Boys had ten double-sided hits on the charts.   Carl heard our band, The Renegades, and thought we were fabulous.  Carl mentioned us to his dad, Murray Wilson, who was looking for another group to manage.  Carl set the audition up.   We were at the Beach Boys home in Hawthorne until 4 AM.  He said if we listened to him we would have a hit record in six weeks.   Murray told us to go home and write songs.  "I Live for the Sun" was our first hit.  Steve left the group at this time to try and make it on his own.  He was replaced by my friend, Byron.   "Andrea" was our second hit.   All these releases were on Tower Records label.  The label was created just for us so we would not be on The Beach Boys label, which was Capital Records.
We all started playing in a band in 8th grade.  As the Renegades, we recorded songs under the following names:  The Snowmen,  The Rangers, (pre-Sunrays). Kim Fowley produced these songs.   I played saxaphone in the Renegades and rhythm gutiar.   Our first song recorded was "Sidewinder."  These early songs can be heard on our box set called "Vintage Rays."  The Sunrays sang 5 part harmony.  We were really a blues and soul band when we started out.   It was 1964 when our first Sunray release was a song called " Car Party,"  which Murry wrote.   It did not do well at all.   I wrote  the song  "I Wanna Know" about our group breaking up.   Ricky wrote a song called "Our Leader" for Murry Wilson's Christmas present.   Murry cried when we gave him the record on Chritmas Eve.  We all paid for the session.  Hial King, a friend and a musical genius, came aboard to help arrange and write songs for us.   Murry hired Don Ralke to help arrange our vocals and songs we wrote.  The song "Andrea" was written about a flight attendant we met on one of our flights.   Glen Campbell did play guitar with me on "I Live For the Sun."  Murry Wilson was the nicest man ever.   We never saw any abuse towards us or his sons, the Beach Boys.  Capitol Records did start a new label, Tower Records, just for The Sunrays.   If we did not smile on stage we would either have to stand on our heads or pay a $100.00 fine, which would go into a fund for music accessories.  Barney Kessel (Jazz Guitarest), Mickey Rooney's stepdad, used to help us arrange some of our songs.  I did fraternity parties with Bruce Johnston, pre-Sunrays.  Mike Adams and the Red Jackets were a band we admired.  We liked them so much we asked them for their red jackets,  which they gave to us,  pre-Sunrays.  

Participant - My Baby Loves Lovin’ (White Plains - 1970)
It’s like a favourite chewy; delicious at first, but the flavour doesn’t last too long. Lovely clip. There is conjecture on the net as to whether it’s Tony Burrows on the actual lead vocal here. Wiki says it is, but there are several posts from people on YouTube claiming it’s Rick Wulff. There seems to be two trains of thought here. One is that it was Tony’s third appearance of a particular episode of Top of the Pops, so he pretended to be the backing singer instead of lead vocalist on this number to make it less obvious to the viewers. The other is that Wulff was unavailable for the show and Roger Greenaway, one of the writer/producers, mimed to Wulff’s vocal. More bizarre, there are also two versions of the same YouTube clip of the group singing this on Top of the Pops. Greenaway is seen singing the lead (on the right) with Burrows on the left. In one clip, they’re miming to the record (worth hitting the YouTube link). In the other, inexplicably, they appear to be singing it live (did acts EVER do that on that show?), and it is very obvious that Greenaway couldn’t possibly be the lead singer on the record.  
Not that anymore proof is needed of Ricky singing lead, but I just found this in a White Plains article from the 5th Dec 1970 issue of the NME. "The facts, the group is eager to explain, are that Tony Burrows did not sing lead on their first single, "My Baby Loves Lovin'", and that the line-up now on the road is not an outfit hurriedly created around Shaw and Peter Nelson but the actual group which cut the single." Robin Shaw laments in the article that they keep telling interviewers these things, "but no one seems to print it.
Finally found verbal confirmation from Roger Cook that it was Ricky Wolff on lead vocals. There’s a podcast called The Strange Brew on iTunes and Roger Cook is interviewed on the October 19th, 2017 episode. “My Baby Loves Lovin’” discussion starts around minute 34. Here’s the quote:

Interviewer: “That was an off-shoot of Flower Pot Men?”

Roger Cook: “Yes it was. With a different lead singer. What was his name? He came from South Africa. Nice lad. I think he’s back there now.” (Note: Ricky was born in Pretoria, S.A. and has been working as a record producer/engineer in Johannesburg since the ‘80s.)

He goes on to say that Tony did sing on it with Roger Greenaway also doing background vocals.

This is the interview….

Al Forsyth

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Hey gang Beach Baby was retro!  Don't forget one of the biggest compilations came out that very same year, Endless Summer.  American Graffiti was out the year before and Sha Na Na was huge.  That was the time, a perfect time for Beach Baby!

And now my confession that I voted from the beaches of San Diego last week so the two surf songs got the top bill from me.  I got to San Onofrie, Del Mar and all over La Jolla.  So to add Darren's video above, watch the gals surf - shredding>

Darren, some excellent research in your week.  ^

A diamond necklace played the pawn...

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G Edison Lighthouse
S First Class - how do you sing the outro without getting a sore jaw?
B Sunrays
T White Plains

Tony will win, but he may have had too many chances.
David W

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All could feature on a 60s era , summer fun compilation disc .

Gold-Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) (Edison Lighthouse)
Silver-I Live for the Sun (The Sunrays)
Bronze-My Baby Loves Lovin’ (White Plains)
Tin-Beach Baby (The First Class) 

This is on a compilation disc too

Tom Tobben

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Well, certainly three big early/mid-70s pop hits and a minor mid-60s tune steered to the charts by Murry Wilson. All good/decent songs, but I had some difficulty with ranking them after listening to them all multiple times this week, even though all the songs were quite familiar to me. In any event, here goes my best shot:

Gold -- "Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes)", Edison Lighthouse. At the time it first hit the charts in 1970, it was a fresh-sounding tune with nice orchestration and a pleasant lead vocal, accompanied by cheery lyrics and an upbeat melody. Until this week, I had no idea who Tony Burrows was, nor how many pop hits he recorded under the names of different groups. This song appears on Vol. 2 of the Super Hits of the '70s: Have A Nice Day 70s compilation series, along with "United We Stand" which he sang on as a member of Brotherhood of Man in 1970. 

Silver -- "Beach Baby", First Class. This song gets points from me mainly because it evokes some of those old Beach Boys beach/surf hits and harmony vocals. As someone else mentioned, this song was able to ride a nostalgia wave, evoking the sounds and themes from a decade earlier. Nevertheless, it's a catchy tune.  But, Darren, I have to disagree with you about this song being preferable compared to the early/mid-70s Beach Boys albums. I much preferred the direction the Beach Boys were taking with Sunflower, Surf's Up, Carl & The Passions, and Holland than to go back and revisit their 60s "formula" songs, even though that's likely what Mike might have preferred. This Tony Burrows song appears on Vol. 13 of Rhino's Have A Nice Day anthology series.

Bronze -- "I Live for the Sun", Sunrays. Catchy, and totally from the mid-60s Beach Boys and surf pop playbook. The chugging rhythm section reminds me a lot of another mid-60s Beach Boys tune, also covered by the Hondells:

With regard to Rick Henn and the Sunrays, back in the day I actually preferred their higher-charting minor hit "Andrea", which also featured some of those early Brian Wilson-styled falsettos:

Tin -- "My Baby Loves Lovin'", White Plains. Another catchy pop confection from 1970. That Tony Burrows must have been a busy guy, bouncing back and forth between these one-hit wonder groups around the same time. This is a decent enough song but to me it didn't sound as original or as fresh as "Love Grows". This Tony Burrows song also appears on Vol. 2 of Have A Nice Day, making that three of his performed hits as part of different groups on this same compilation album.

And, of course, the Pipkins hit "Gimme Dat Ding", also from 1970, again featuring Tony Burrows, is included on Vol. 6 of the Have A Nice Day series. That gives him at least four pop hits in 1970 in the U.S. under the name of different groups, in addition to the later hit "Beach Baby" from 1974 as part of First Class, and which also gave him five hits under different group names included in the Have A Nice Day album series, most likely more than any other artist in this 25-album anthology of 70s pop hits.  The guy got around in the studio, it seems. His British hit "Let's Go to San Francisco" with the Flower Pot Men never made the Top 40 charts in the US, and he never had any Top 40 hits here under his own name; thus, under his own name he's a little-known artist in the US. 

Here's more about Rhino's 25-album Super Hits of the '70s: Have A Nice Day anthology series of 70s-era pop hits in the US. You can also take a link from the enclosed article to each individual album to see the songs included on each album, which mostly consist of one-hit wonders and second-tier artists and not the major dominant groups and singers of the 70s:

A catchy group of pop tunes this week, Darren, and some interesting background you provided about members of the Sunrays and about Tony Burrows.  

Darren, did the four videos for your battle song have a sort of theme too? Seems as though they all feature similar subject matter accompanying the song. It appears that Al picked up on this "theme" too with his latest song addition above.
Darren J. Ray

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Thanks very much to Lisa, DAN, David and Tom for the latest votes and comments. 

Yes, Al, well picked up about the nostalgia thing. Plus Happy Days had just hit, although that was based in the '50s.

DAN, yeah, right!

Tom, always interesting reading.

Put yourself in Mike's shoes.

It's a business. 

Do you want albums that make #151, #29, #50 and #30, and accompanying singles that make #64, #89, #110, #79, #84 and #49 (US charts, according to Wiki) or do you want a song that charts as high as #3 in the US and is a hit everywhere else, including #1 in Canada?

The public voted. Radio did, too. 

Personally, I like most of Sunflower but, yes, I find the following three albums yawnfests. How many times have you listened to 'Mount Vernon & Fairway' and 'Hold On, Dear Brother' lately?

If the Beach Boys had written and released 'Beach Baby', it would have been HUGE. 

I know you and I differ there. Part of it would be the generation gap, but also where we live. I grew up on AM hit radio. I'm a sucker for bright, uplifting power pop, including some 'Bubblegum'. (But, conversely, I'd also considered using a Charles Aznavour song about a transgender this week!) 

Still no definitive answer on whether Tony is the lead vocalist on 'My Baby Loves Lovin''. 

Yes, no theme other than the four songs being the topic. I thought it would be cute to stick the three Tony Burrows songs in there as I wondered who'd be the first to pick up on it, plus I think he deserves the exposure. But I just love the songs. 

A main aim is to nearly always have close weeks. I think that objective is often neglected in preference to some inane 'theme'. 

Get those votes in, folks. The polling booth is closing shortly. 
Darren J. Ray

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Postal vote from liamios who says he can’t log in....

These vocals sound similar! 🤔

Gold - My Baby Loves Lovin’ (White Plains) - Very catchy melody, liked it a lot

Silver - Live for the Sun (The Sunrays) - Great chorus, didn’t know where I’d heard the song before, but still recognised the chorus, great song

Bronze - Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes) (Edison Lighthouse) - Awesome guitar riff, reminds me a lot of Obla Di Obla Da. Very close to being the silver, could be interchanged with live for the sun.

Tin - Beach Baby (The First Class) reminds of the Beach Boys, which I presume is the idea. Good song, not my favourite of the four
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