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bonnie bella

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It looks like Not Jermia was right the first time.  ("Right First Time" the Dudes)

And so, with nothing more enlightened to add, more Dudes.


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Verden McCutcheon

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     Season 7 Week 20..Non -Thematical

                Quite a quartet here Darren and not as easy as it looks !

         1 )Reo Speedwagon....a brilliant classic from the 80's and just so happens I am on an 80's binge as of late

        2)Henry Gross......I remember this one vaguely from 76..Is this The BeachBoy connection this week..Nicely Sung

        3)Dennis Locorrierre..Never heard it before although I enjoy Dr Hook .A perfect Bronze you might say

        4)Bobby Goldsboro...He's good but he has better material IMO

                                   Interesting Darren !

Darren J. Ray

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Thanks a lot for the votes and comments, t and Verden. 

t, 'Little Things' is cool. Certainly not the Bobby G song that I cannot handle. 

Verden, I like the way you embrace all genres of music, unlike some others here! 

And you aren't an '80s snob either, as you've shown in some of your weeks hosting. 

It's a close battle - I've certainly picked some polarisers - with less than two days remaining. 

Keep listening, folks. They're great songs. 
t bedford

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Bobby Goldsboro had 27 Hot 100 singles, and an additional 11 more that 'Bubbled Under' (slightly above the 100 mark). Surprisingly, only 6 of these were Top 20 (including a Christmas hit). "Little Things" peaked locally at a respectable #15 (and #13 nationally) in February 1965, at the height of the British Invasion (Eight Days a Week/I Don't Want to Spoil the Party was #1, with Petula Clark, Gerry & the Pacemakers, The Kinks, Herman's Hermits, Peter & Gordon, Georgie Fame, and The Zombies all in the local top 11 that week). Also, at #17 that week is "Mod Socks" by local band the Grasshoppers, notable for member Benny "11 letters" Orzechowski, who would grow up to be Benjamin Orr of the Cars. Among the Very Important Premiers, at the bottom of the page, are "Please Let Me Wonder" by the BB's, and "From All Over the World" by Jan & Dean. BTW, Springtime of 1977 gave us this weeks Goldsboro contender, "Me and the Elephants", which peaked at #104.

Here's the local action for "Little Things":

And now, back to our regularly scheduled battle.

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Hi Darren,

All good songs and very hard to put them in some kinds of order, but here goes.

Gold - Me and the Elephants - Bobby Goldsboro   
Silver - Can’t Fight this Feeling - REO Speedwagon
Bronze - The More I Am - Dennis Locorriere
Tin - Shannon - Henry Gross

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Not easy

GOLD Can't Fight This Feeling
SILVER Shannon
BRONZE The More I Am
TIN Me and the Elephants
Darren J. Ray

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Thanks for that chart info, t. 

Bobby Goldsboro wouldn't be the only act that had deserving songs, post the halcyon days, that barely caused a ripple on the charts. 

Wiki says 'Me and the Elephants' charted at #6 on the US Adult Contemporary chart and #10 on the Canadian Adult Contemporary one. 

Plus it's an oft-covered song. More info to follow. 

Thanks a lot for the votes and comments, Graciegirl and DAN. 

Close week. Looks like there might be a Tin Play-Off contender!

Voting closes in less than 18 hours' time. 
Cantina Margarita

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Hi Darren & all,

I can understand well why people try to find a motto behind 4 BOTB songs, something they have in common.

As far as I'm concerned, I feel getting confronted to four beautiful songs here that badly need careful listening before rating them, because they're all on the same artistic level. Which one is gold, which one is tin ? Well, in a heavy metal contest, they're all tin because there are no distorted guitars, no bass riffs, and no squaking vocals. Impossible to me as a jury to say which one I like best. But If I manage to imagine (only imagine) that the host wants us to listen to four very heartfelt songs from different times, the task becomes easier. Seems to be an appropriate concept these 4 might be measured by.

OK, no matter what Darren's idea really was, for me these are four songs that can make even rocks weep a little. Seems to work for me, so here we go:

1. Shannon (Henry Gross - 1976)
love the falsetto, wish to relisten the song, though there's no time to do so right now (UEFA Euro final game is at the gate, beer is already being cooled). This song makes me curious what's behind it, and I will find out. Not now, but this is enough for me to put it first. And the doggies are cute, and the chubby hamster too.

2. The More I Am (Dennis Locorriere - 2000)
interesting for me to listen to great solo work from the guy who made our hearts melt, singing about Sylvia's mother some decades ago. Strong feelings, too, I like it a lot. therefore #2.

3. Me and the Elephants (Bobby Goldsboro - 1977)
seems to be for easy listening, and there must be a punch line in it which I haven't quite got. Too hard for me to get into, being already in sports cheering mode.

4. Can’t Fight this Feeling (REO Speedwagon - 1984)
this one was a huge hit in my home, and it doodled up and down the radio, for even the very last listener to share the tears. Feelings got a bit exhausted here.[bawl]

Next week it's my turn, and I can announce that feelings won't be the subject of my week at all. It will feature 4 songs of intended oddity, pointing at the oddest album that never existed. I swear, there will be no sneaking Helge S. jokes this time. And there's one song among them I don't even know the performer's name of.[crazy]

Read you all tomorrow.


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Gold – Can’t Fight this Feeling - REO Speedwagon

Silver – Shannon - Henry Gross, for my own Shannon setter friend of years ago.

Another story I've heard, which I've always suspected to me more accurate, was that Carl's Roll's Royce hood ornament of a dog fell off...where did it go?

I actually prefer this story!

Bronze – The More I Am - Dennis Locorriere

Tin – Me and the Elephants - Bobby Goldsboro, I expected to cry at all of these songs but the lyrics of Me and the Elephants actually made me laugh.

♫ Well the Monkey's forgot you
the Hippo forgot you and so did the Kangaroo
but me and the Elephants we still remember you
me and the Elephants we'll never forget you.

The Monkeys forgot me??  The Rhino, the Zebra, the Polar Bear and the Tiger forgot me too!?! How shall I ever go on?!!  Even the Muskrats are fine without me.

Happy Birthday, John E. [smile]

I try hard to be strong
But sometimes I fail myself
And after all I've promised you
So faithfully
You still believe in me
I wanna cry . . .”

bonnie bella

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Time to cast my votes, so in no particular order ... or maybe from first to last - 

GOLD - Henry Gross.  Hopefully this is a song about a dog, not grandma.  Novel, and perhaps slightly lazy way to dispose of the body, I must say.

SILVER - Bobby Goldsboro.  I don't know.... I get a picture here, and it's quite sweet.  Did the elephants remember her because they have the largest memory?  I won't forgetcha, lady zoo keeper.

BRONZE - Dr HOOK!!  This really is the guy who couldn't get past Slyvia's fusty old mother?  Very interesting.  I have fond memories of a gaggle of us girls spending large chunks of the day at a friends house instead of school, eating toast, drinking coffee, and listening to Dr Hook. (Because that was one of the few CDs they had.)  ((Everything else we did remains classified.)) How we worst offenders went on to university educations is beyond me.

TIN - OREO Stationwagon.  Pass.   I fight a certain feeling every time I hear this song.  Songs like this make me all analytical and I pick apart the lyrics, but I won't this time because this clip deserves an honorable mention instead.  Looks like the hair department went overboard on spray, they may have even fixed his entire head into place, and you cannot tell me they are supposed to be candles... 

So, no theme?  Right.


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Tom Tobben

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Four well-recognized artists from years gone by:

Gold -- "Can't Fight This Feelin'", REO Speedwagon. Just one of their many hits here in the US. REO came from central Illinois, so they were a popular regional group in Illinois and Missouri before they went national and eventually international. They have performed in St. Louis countless times over the past five decades and always draw big crowds. I much prefer their early songs and albums when they were a regional group, over their albums and songs after they became an internationally famous arena rock band in the late 70s and 80s.

Personal side story -- shortly before REO Speedwagon went national, when they were still playing local venues in the southern Illinois and St. Louis area, in the early 70s they played a concert at the local high school where I had gone a few years earlier. At that time, I was just out of college and a young teacher at the neighboring high school, and I was asked to be a chaperone at that local concert. I had as much fun listening to the band perform their early local/regional FM radio hits as did the high school students and other young adults attending the concert, where they performed songs from their first couple albums, such as "157 Riverside Avenue", "Lay Me Down", "Like You Do", "Little Queenie" (a cover of a Chuck Berry song, a local St. Louis music legend), "Golden Country", "Music Man", etc. Early REO was much more of a straight-ahead rock group than after they became nationally famous. Here are a few examples of some of their earliest regional FM hits from their 1972 album R.E.O./T.W.O.:

And another rocker from their third album, Ridin' the Storm Out from 1973, which became a live concert favorite and helped put the band on the national map a few years later:

And another rocking classic from their 1976 album R.E.O., which also became a concert staple:

Silver -- "The More I Am", Dennis Locorriere. I hadn't heard this song before but I thought it was quite good, meriting this week's silver. Even though the early Dr. Hook band seemed a bit campy, I always thought Locorriere had an interesting and distinctive voice, which could sound quite good as it does in this song.

For those who are relative newcomers to the Brian Wilson forum, back a decade or more ago, Dennis was one of the periodic participants on the old "blueboard" discussion forum, so special "affinity" kudos to him in this week's battle.

Bronze -- "Shannon", Henry Gross. Lovely ballad about Carl Wilson's deceased pet dog, even if a bit saccharine. Certainly a clear BW/CW/BB influence on the falsettos and chorus. Bit of trivia about Henry Gross -- he was born and raised in Brooklyn, NY, and was a founding member of Sha-Na-Na in the late 60s,  performing with the group at Woodstock, before he left to pursue his own solo career as a singer/songwriter in the early 1970s. 

Here's an early Sha-Na-Na song from 1969, featuring young 18 year-old Henry Gross on lead vocals, covering this classic rock and roll oldie by the Earls:

Tin -- "Me and the Elephants", Bobby Goldsboro. Like most of Bobby Goldsboro's later songs, this one seems too sentimental for me and too similar-sounding to a number of his other songs. Wrote to Ann Landers and Dear Abby? --- hmmm.

My favorite Bobby Goldsboro hit is still probably his first big hit from early 1964, shortly after the Beatles and the early British Invasion artists first hit the US airwaves:


Al Forsyth

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And thus Deb asks and answers the trivia question as to who was one and only Beach Boy/Girl?  Answer: Toni Tennille 1972! 

Daryl Dragon was Captain Keyboards and yes, did wear the hat.

What she is doing now, is coming down (selling a book) on the Captain - not so good.
Muskrat Love, indeed.

Tom, I did not know that fun-fact that Henry Gross was one of the Sha Na Na originators and the youngest person to play at Woodstock Music Festival 1969.  This guy has lived a few lives already! That's him on guitar (At The Hop) just prior to the Hendrix performance closing the festival in front of hardly anybody.  The fest was essentially over - everyone had left.

A diamond necklace played the pawn...

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@Bonnie -

HAHAHAHAHAH " I won't forgetcha, lady zoo keeper"
Oh my gosh, I laughed so hard.

"Nice job, love. Won't forget ya"

What a good week of songs, Darren! I'm sad that it's over.
Just to leave on the table:

What a name, hey.


Coupl'a cuties. This would be excellent on ukulele I reckon.

The film clip intro goes for fourteen seconds before there's any music... disgustingly indulgent. Thumbs down. The rest of the song is decent as heck though.

“It's all too much.”
- George Harrison
Darren J. Ray

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Thank you very much for the votes and comments, Cantina, Deb, bonnie and Tom. 

And the additionals from Al and NotJermia. 

Cantina, your incisive and entertaining take on the songs is always worth waiting for. 

Your time limited, you identified with the songs well. 

Hope you enjoyed Portugal's victory. 

Deb, everyone seems to have had an Irish Setter named Shannon! Hope it brought back fond memories. 

And those lyrics to 'Me and the Elephants' sure are cute. 

bonnie, you never fail to make me laugh. Those 'Shannon' lyrics are ambiguous. 

What a perfect way to spend an afternoon, listening to the Hook. 

And, yep, they were ordinary looking candles.

Tom, firstly, thanks for posting all the background info on Henry Gross and REO Speedwagon.

I listened to all the clips you posted. And having a pretty good idea on your musical tastes, after 14 years(!), I can understand you liking their early stuff.

Am I right in assuming Cronin is only featured on the last track?

Gotta say I prefer Bobby's sentimental stuff to that crass rubbish he sang about seeing the sunrise 'as a man'. Ugghhh!

Al, that Captain & Tennille band sound like a bunch of amateurs [wink]

Not sure if I've ever heard a better rendition of any of those songs, Beach Boys & Brian concerts included. 
Where did they get that Mike Brady from? I WANT HIM FOR MY BAND. 

NotJermia, it's uncanny how we share similar tastes in music.

This one is for you, featuring a very handsome little fella...

paul g adsett

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so, who knew the hollywoodworm bowel has wifi?
sitting in the nosebleed , rarified air, seats
as the sun disappears behind the mountain
and support band is about to kick in.
got a lift from a lunchtime downtown bar gig by anny celsi
who played alongside a couple of others.
and, oh boy, it's been a whirl of a week!
overdosed on robert mapplethorpe retrospectives at jp getty and lacma.
a warren zevon memorial gig / book signing in a gallery on sunset blvd
with a host of guest artists and his son playing with mr zevon's old (!) touring band
- a blast!
catching up with old friends,
then discovered via stevie k that wilson phillips were playing pasadena last night,
so much jollity there, incl. aftershow.
what a bonus or two...
(crikey, as i was writing this, suppoprt m ward has brought zooey deschanel onstage
so it's become she and him)
to task.
an awkward week as been on the go all the time
and not been able to sample any of the out of competition tracks,
nor play the competitors as much as usual.
tin: 'can't fight this feeling'
- you're too weak-willed, chums.
if only daddy had taken your bandname away many years ago,
y'might've had fun fun fun...
bronze: 'shannon'
- doggone dead dog songs!
it's a tad too sentimental,
but, hey, it's a song about a dog, innit!
sounds sweet, in a tooth-shattering fashion.
i do like it, though.

silver: 'the more i am'
- not one of dennis l's best songs, but he's got a great repertoire
and a fab live act.
i do like the delivery and the, um, dry earnestness he exudes.
as an(other namedropping) aside,
we set off on our travels on tuesday,
leaving a pair of musicians in the house who'd played the greys the night before
one of whom has been part of dennis's band
(and mark has been bass player in the shadows for 30 odd years
and played in cliff richard's band alongsde our beloved tony rivers.
not only that, but, in truth i'm more impressed,
he's been one of neil innes band in the rutles.
and he's a luvverly chap.
deep joy!)
gold: 'me and the elephants'
- hang those little green apples,
little green aliens
or whatever it was, this is a previously unknown masterpiece
(well, it's a great find and i luv it). 
must sign off and get a pint,
before the main act kicks in.
don't think i've ever done this kind of thing a t a concert,
but the music rolls over and over as i type.
a (mostly) good bunch and a real new treat.
(bugger, t'internet switched off before i could post,
so this is laaater...
after a pretty dashed good bw band gig
- with darian sahanaja back onstage for the 'pet sounds'half of the show).
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