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Cretanwelsh

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Congratulations on your new position here, bugs. Just what the board needed to enliven the conversation- a guard-dog of received wisdom.

I don't hear satire in LTWB myself but the lyric is interesting. Let the world progress but don't take her out of my life. What's the alternative? Let the world go to hell, as long as you keep her part of your life?
And isn't that finally the truth of it for us all, one way or another? What if it meant your daughter? Anyway, it does point to, even perhaps lament a little bit, the impracticality of true communism, so I can see why the floral revolutionaries of the day might've taken exception.

But for me this is mainly the Wild Honey track that might've benefitted most from a Friends-style production - it's a step on the road to Friends. I can see why people reach for an alternative version, but the In Concert recording is too ponderous for my taste.

My favourite on the album is I'd Love Just Once to See You, a delicately indelicate, small-but-perfectly-formed comedy. Apart from that, Darlin' and the title-track (raw, dark and sweet just like its subject-matter) Wild Honey is good in parts, as Sunshine Tomorrow shows.
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Congratulations on your new position here, bugs. Just what the board needed to enliven the conversation- a guard-dog of received wisdom. .....
[biggrin] Thanks CW - Just as long as it's not "perceived" wisdom.

"Sunshine Tomorrow" really brought life to the LP for me...and that includes LTWB.  I often think I'm so lucky to have Brian Wilson around during my lifetime.  Lately, I've been thinking the same about Mark Linett and Alan Boyd - their dedication to preserving and enhancing the music gets my appreciation.

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I know, in a cliche', the song is supposed to be 'like a prayer'.  Of course, the deity does not need permission from a mortal to 'let' these things happen, so it's kind of a 'let thy will be done' sort of deal, right?  and that it is marginally in the religion column, means we can't criticize it at all, is that what you are saying, Bugs?  that even though religion is an idea, to criticize it equates to a 'hate crime'.?    Well, that is anti-intellectual in an offensive way, so I'd like to go on record firmly to assert that stripedshirt is no criminal for questioning a lyric.  

I also prefer 'Friends' to 'Wild Honey'.  I am in the minority, but the world needs more minority voice.

now I'm going to say the most blasphemous thing possible if you live where I do in the Sili Valley.  The internet's best point ostensibly is that people from different points of life and points of view can 'meet' and interact; but what in practice, the truth is, much more often than not, the internet exists in efforts to make people from different points of life and differing points of view THINK the same, so they then, could be sold and will buy the same exact products more easily. 

  
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John,

I also prefer Friends as an album over Wild Honey.

I do think Wild Honey is an important album as The Beach Boys were sort of refocusing and setting the "reset" button of sorts after the non release of Smile and the (IMO) missteps of Smiley Smile.  
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kds and I agree:  WH is great.  but
Friends is a masterpiece.  IMO as the texters say.  (they do say that, don't they?).
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I know, in a cliche', the song is supposed to be 'like a prayer'.  Of course, the deity does not need permission from a mortal to 'let' these things happen, so it's kind of a 'let thy will be done' sort of deal, right?  and that it is marginally in the religion column, means we can't criticize it at all, is that what you are saying, Bugs?  that even though religion is an idea, to criticize it equates to a 'hate crime'.?    Well, that is anti-intellectual in an offensive way, so I'd like to go on record firmly to assert that stripedshirt is no criminal for questioning a lyric.  

I also prefer 'Friends' to 'Wild Honey'.  I am in the minority, but the world needs more minority voice.

now I'm going to say the most blasphemous thing possible if you live where I do in the Sili Valley.  The internet's best point ostensibly is that people from different points of life and points of view can 'meet' and interact; but what in practice, the truth is, much more often than not, the internet exists in efforts to make people from different points of life and differing points of view THINK the same, so they then, could be sold and will buy the same exact products more easily. 

  
Sometimes hard to find your point John...but I think I see it somewhere within.  So, criticize all you want (and anyone else for that matter), but when I read three posts on one thread from someone with a TOTAL of ten (over five years) then I take notice.  The "points" made by ss? - 

"As regards Let the Wind Blow, there seemed to be some contention with the lyrics, particularly  "Let the poor find money, take away their sorrow, give them sunshine tomorrow....? It  was almost like Marie Antoinette: "Let them eat cakes....." (some reference would be nice) 

"my point is that Brian was made out by some critics at the time to be a heartless middle class aristo who was somehow dismissive of the poor" (some reference would be nice)

"...perhaps Brian - or somebody - was making  tart, somewhat sarcastic observations about the superficial, perhaps even false, compassion and "idealism" of the hippies? A favourite of mine, from "I know there's an Answer": "They come on like they're peaceful, but inside they're so uptight; they trip through the day and waste all their thoughts at night...." Ouch, that was painful....hitting too close to the bone.....?!....." (just seems to be reaching for further arguments here)

If you'd like, perhaps Craig can setup another Category for you and ss - "Esoteric Thoughts from the Extreme Left and Right" [wink]

Well, at least Mary got that increased interaction on the SOW thread she was looking for.  Yet she's probably disappointed that it came through kds' guest-week.  


PS - "Friends" is fantastic.

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Perhaps the spirited discussion on this week's song will lead to further traffic on this area of the board.  
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yes, criticize away if you are civil, that's what I say.

Esoteric?   "It's a corny bleeping song."tm

and by the way, a discussion that pulls in a C-W contribution, is a definite good thing!


finally, I completely dissent to the inferred idea that 'those who speak the least, have the least valuable things to say.'  That would mean, wouldn't it, that 'those who speak the most, have the most valuable things to say.'  has THAT been your experience?  It has not been mine...
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....finally, I completely dissent to the inferred idea that 'those who speak the least, have the least valuable things to say.'  That would mean, wouldn't it, that 'those who speak the most, have the most valuable things to say.'  has THAT been your experience?  It has not been mine...
Not my "inferred idea" John - If someone sits on the sideline for years, than suddenly has these thoughts to share, GREAT.  But at least give some reference(s) if you want people to understand.  Otherwise it seems more like Trolling for Trouble.

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yeah, maybe, but with that attitude, don't you worry you're going to make shy people more reticent to engage? 

maybe it's just me but when I see/hear some person blabbity blabbity blabbity...

and I see/hear another person  (.....) but then he says something.

I DON'T think, 'hey...YOU never talk, quiet person, let's hear more from the blabbity person, instead!'

I never think that.  Ever.
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I also prefer 'Friends' to 'Wild Honey'.  I am in the minority, but the world needs more minority voice.

 


So do I...except for Transcendental Meditation which seems to be aurally at odds with the whole 'vibe' of the Friends L.P.  I wore Friends out twice on vinyl and once on CD.  It is the album I've purchased most often...like 5 times.  Oh...and...I bought Pet 5ounds 6 times actually...but THAT included the BOX set, the bonus copy with Carl and the Passions/So Tough and Brian 'doin' it live.  Not quite the same.]

I also have Love You on Vinyl and cd John.  [although they're NOT getting worn out. [wink]]
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yeah, maybe, but with that attitude, don't you worry you're going to make shy people more reticent to engage? 

maybe it's just me but when I see/hear some person blabbity blabbity blabbity...

and I see/hear another person  (.....) but then he says something.

I DON'T think, 'hey...YOU never talk, quiet person, let's hear more from the blabbity person, instead!'

I never think that.  Ever.
If this was ANY other board (well, any board BUT a Beach Boys-related), I'd see your point (yet I wouldn't have answered as I did, so we wouldn't be discussing this).  But ALL the BB boards I've read have a pattern of various users stirring the pot - multiple user names, other creative techniques, etc.  This one, like all, need to be taken in context, too (I wasn't the only one questioning ss).

John - I think I've done a fair job of keeping this board positive, while also soliciting thoughts and experiences from others.  If you truly see something otherwise, perhaps you could pm me (and/or Craig).

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Bugs is a great member and an asset to this specific site.  All other opinions are, of course, B O G U S.
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I do not know what PM is, yet appreciate that I am included here. 

at my work, there is something called  IM (or instant messaging).  It almost gives me an anxiety attack each time it bleeps at me, because each and every time it is NEVER good news.  My office is probably not unlike other offices, where most people are younger than me and communicate in the same exact manner, almost never in person, but by using that little device that has become attached to their hand.  They will stare down at it, rather than at their son during football or basketball practice.  I see evidence every day that I am losing this fight and 'they' are winning.  If I watch TV, I am bombarded by adds for cellphones.  'Do you hear me now?'  (do I have a choice?).  Cellphones and drugs.  I am a gnat v. a battleship.

so, my sincere argument is to please allow more gnats and the battleships will survive.
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no one needs me to say 'you're okay'.  but if it helps, Bugs is cool with me.

btw, nice that Lee agrees with me about 'Friends'.  I actually feel a similar spirit from Brian in "Love You" that I did on "Friends."  It's like Brando standing up at the end of 'On the Waterfront' and saying, 'not only can I still lead you, but I can make a great album, too!'  

If I can put myself into Lee's mind for a second (and I know, I know, he's going to say, get out my mind, stupid John B!, but be that as it may), he doesn't like "Love You" because it's so rough and damaged sounding, while 'Friends' was super clear, clean, and musically skilled sounding.  Yet, this is a reason--maybe we can pull her back?--that Cretan Welsh liked "Love You" so much.  much more negative abuse and human misery later, and Brian still came out on top.  The 'ragged' "Love You" was a bleep you to life's hardships--a very nice bleep you though, presented with measured love back as return. 
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