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John B

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kds actually makes it easy for my side: he is now dissing the lyrics of 'Fun, Fun, Fun.'

I would suggest that there was more going on in that song than just a trip to a hamburger stand--there was some very nice character study.   We have setting, how she is seen by other girls (they can't stand her), her somewhat tenuous communication deficits with 'her old man'.  She drives too fast with the radio blasting, but she also walks and talks fast, and 'looks like an ace'.  Yet, she leads interested guys on a wild goose chase.   Can you see the T-bird?   and the reactions from others?  I can.

again, I would assert that these are very significantly higher sociological lyrics than say 'Hot for Teacher' or 'Back in Black' or 'Hot Blooded' or 'Cold as Ice' or 'Georgie Porgie' or those songs Alan O'Day and Kansas sang in 1977 about masturbation.  But would Lee (or kds) ever admit it?    I think not...
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John B

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...and back to Lee's assertion that there were people who were 'living for Carl & the Passions/So tough'. 

Lyrically?   you mean, all that Jack Liely stuff about incense and sandals, and the horoscope and so forth?  I mean, the man has his faults, but give me what Mike wrote on 'Fun, Fun, Fun' in a heartbeat.
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kds actually makes it easy for my side: he is now dissing the lyrics of 'Fun, Fun, Fun.'

I would suggest that there was more going on in that song than just a trip to a hamburger stand--there was some very nice character study.   We have setting, how she is seen by other girls (they can't stand her), her somewhat tenuous communication deficits with 'her old man'.  She drives too fast with the radio blasting, but she also walks and talks fast, and 'looks like an ace'.  Yet, she leads interested guys on a wild goose chase.   Can you see the T-bird?   and the reactions from others?  I can.

again, I would assert that these are very significantly higher sociological lyrics than say 'Hot for Teacher' or 'Back in Black' or 'Hot Blooded' or 'Cold as Ice' or 'Georgie Porgie' or those songs Alan O'Day and Kansas sang in 1977 about masturbation.  But would Lee (or kds) ever admit it?    I think not...


I know that Fun Fun Fun is a good story song.  And, you missed my point.  I'm just saying their not deep meaningful lyrics.  
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...like 'Hot for Teacher', 'Cold as Ice', 'Back in Black', 'Hot Blooded', and those songs in 1977 Alan ODay and Kansas sang about masturbation, you mean?
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Yep, great songs don't always have to have great lyrics.  

But, again, lyrics aren't my issue with the Love You album.  
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John B

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true, it was Lee that actually voiced the insult to 'Love You' about 'Simple Simon going to a fair' (without wearing tie-dye), something like that... 

but, still, kds, since you are on record as saying you don't think the lyrics to 'Surfs Up' are all that, your response here on lyrics provokes more questions.

Most significantly, what is a great set of lyrics that you can point to as a superior example?   '...In the Air tonight' by Phil Collins?  or 'One' by U2?   something like that?
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For great lyrics, I tend to gravitate towards Pete Townshend (during his peak with The Who), Roger Waters, John Lennon, Steve Harris, Geezer Butler, Freddie Mercury, John Fogerty, etc. 
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like...'Another Brick in the Wall'?   'Squeeze Box'?  Which ones?
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Do you think if I took drugs and went to a light show, I would also think 'Comfortably Numb' has great lyrics?
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I'm not a big fan of Love You. At all. And, like kds, the main reason for that dislike is the MUSICAL not lyrical quality. I think what kds was trying to say was that many iconic songs don't have very substantial lyrics. I love Fun Fun Fun. It's classic and a fun song, hence the title. However, the concept of a trip to the hamburger stand isn't going to rock my world or expand my mind in any way. I have to agree with John B that much of the music from the late 70's on is crap. I hate the 80's. The only song I really like on Love You is Good Time, which was recorded in the early 70's, unlike the rest of the record. To me, Brian was always more of a musical genius than a lyrical one. I'm not dissing any early Beach Boys lyrics in any way shape or form, but I believe it's Brian's music that has made the biggest impression on fans. I don't believe that a fan is not really devoted if they don't like Love You. I'm sure Brian knew that not all his songs would be popular. What matters is that he was true to himself in making the music. That doesn't make anybody who dislikes Love You a phony fan.
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like...'Another Brick in the Wall'?   'Squeeze Box'?  Which ones?


More like My Generation, the albums Tommy, Who's Next, and Quadrophenia. 

The lyrics to Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, etc.  

No light show needed or drugs needed.  
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I'm not a big fan of Love You. At all. And, like kds, the main reason for that dislike is the MUSICAL not lyrical quality. I think what kds was trying to say was that many iconic songs don't have very substantial lyrics. I love Fun Fun Fun. It's classic and a fun song, hence the title. However, the concept of a trip to the hamburger stand isn't going to rock my world or expand my mind in any way. I have to agree with John B that much of the music from the late 70's on is crap. I hate the 80's. The only song I really like on Love You is Good Time, which was recorded in the early 70's, unlike the rest of the record. To me, Brian was always more of a musical genius than a lyrical one. I'm not dissing any early Beach Boys lyrics in any way shape or form, but I believe it's Brian's music that has made the biggest impression on fans. I don't believe that a fan is not really devoted if they don't like Love You. I'm sure Brian knew that not all his songs would be popular. What matters is that he was true to himself in making the music. That doesn't make anybody who dislikes Love You a phony fan.


Thank you.  

Although, personally, I don't think music really made a turn into crapville until the early 90s.  But, to each their own.  
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I'm not even sure how a thread about Let the Wind Blow became another debate on Love You, but can if the debate really needs to continue, can we at least move it to the Here Today thread that bugs started? 
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More like My Generation, the albums Tommy, Who's Next, and Quadrophenia. 

The lyrics to Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, etc.  

No light show needed or drugs needed.  

I agree. Those are great songs with great lyrics.

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I'm not even sure how a thread about Let the Wind Blow became another debate on Love You, but can if the debate really needs to continue, can we at least move it to the Here Today thread that bugs started? 

Yeah I don't know. I was pretty busy last week so I didn't end up making comments on Let The Wind Blow. Love You seems to be a hot topic for debates.

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