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RayShackleford

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I just learned about the recent re-issue of The Flame's debut album as produced by Carl Wilson. If anyone has the previous edition that was sourced from vinyl, this seems to be a genuine remaster. It's available to order from amazon (they make you a CDR on demand) for $15.99 or you can buy it from iTunes for $5.99 in the US. If you use Rhapsody it's also available to stream there.

Amazon lists it as the following. 
  • The Flame
    Psychedelic Essentials

  • Audio CD (June 12, 2012)
  • Label: Purple Pyramid Records
  • ASIN: B008B08IJG
Does anyone have any further information about this particular release? Anyone in touch with Blondie or Ricky and would be able to get them to comment on this release?


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For those who haven't heard, it's been absolutely verified recently that the following albums (all mixed at Brian's Home studio by Steve Desper) are recorded in dynaquad:

Sunflower
Surf's Up
Carl & The Passions
The Flame
15 Big Ones
Love You

If you have the Steve Desper dynaquad decoder device that he was selling a few years ago, these albums will also decode with it. For those of you that don't have one there are people on the internet that can help you find the decoded versions. 43 year old surround sound!

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Ang Jones

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Very interesting - thanks for posting!
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AGD

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For those who haven't heard, it's been absolutely verified recently that the following albums (all mixed at Brian's Home studio by Steve Desper) are recorded in dynaquad:

Sunflower
Surf's Up
Carl & The Passions
The Flame
15 Big Ones
Love You

Ummm nope, that's not the case at all - CATP was recorded & mixed by Steve Moffit (except, granted, the two Dennis tracks, which SWD did mix into quad - because they are from the solo album Dennis was recording back then), and the last two titles were neither recorded at Brian's home studio (because in 1976, well, there wasn't one) nor mixed by Steve Desper. Further, SWD told me back in the 80s that only two tracks on Sunflower are properly quad-mixed ("Cool, Cool Water" and "It's About Time"), and that the Spring album is also a quad mix, as is KTSA. Steve Desper left the band's employ late 1971/early 1972 and returned in 1979 for one album. So, more accurately:

Sunflower (two tracks)
Surf's Up
Carl & The Passions (two tracks)
The Flame
Spring
Keeping The Summer Alive

Love to know who "absolutely verified" this, because in three and three-quarter cases out of six, they're "absolutely" wrong.

Also, love the handle. :-)


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About Moffit and there being others being involved, I stand corrected. But as for your question about who verified them...

I verified them. They have been decoded by a member of the online quad community. I can verify that ALL of the albums I listed are DY quad. So it sounds like with the albums you've heard about from Desper the list should read:

Sunflower
Surf's Up
Carl & The Passions
15 Big Ones
Love You
Keepin' The Summer Alive


The Flame
Spring
and another possible one

John Kalinich - A World of Peace Must Come

As far as I can tell, since Desper was the first person to ever record and mix quad for commercial release, he mixed the entire output of Brian's home studio for DY quad in the long-shot hope that someone would find a way to decode them in the future and transfer them to a modern surround format. It ended up being Desper himself with the Desper Spatializer around 2002, though this only works as a way to hear the matrixed info in 2 channels. The math behind the DY encode method is known and can be decoded via software from remastered sources now that the catalog has been redone. Linett kept all the original mix downs, so all the DY info is there waiting to be decoded. You mentioned that "the two Dennis tracks" are mixed for quad from Carl & The Passions... where did you hear that? So you are saying that Pacific Ocean Blue and the Bambu era tracks are DY quad as well?

 

Very interested in the info about the Spring album and KTSA. Is this anything that he posted online anywhere or was it firsthand? I have been looking around for a copy of his book Recording the Beach Boys by Stephen Desper that he sold with the spatializer back in 2007 but I have been unable to find one. I kick myself constantly for not picking one of those up.

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I interviewed SWD back in 1985 and met him in LA, so I guess you could call that primary research. He told me about the DW solo album (the 1971 tracks, not the 1976/77 ones) and the Spring album.

15 BO and LY were recorded mixed by Earle Mankey at Brother Studio: I'll ask him if he did quad mixes, but I seriously doubt they were because the format was dead in the water by then. That said, when an inventory of the Brother archive was done in the late 70s, some of the tape boxes had notations indicating a quad mix was done then. Why ? I have no idea. Alan Boyd would probably know but now isn't the time to ask. So, while there may possibly be quad mixes of 15 BO and LY, they won't be contemporary ones and they certainly weren't done by Steve Desper.

AWOPMC, "America, I Know You" aside (cut at Wally Heider) is very, very homespun. I very much doubt it was recorded on more than an 8-track (SWD installed the Bellagio 16-track in fall 1969: it was operational by 10/16) and very likely a 4-track: again, I'll ask Stevie K who engineered it. Very likely Brian. As I recall, it's mostly mono anyway.


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RayShackleford

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Thanks for all your input with this [smile] Some of this stuff is so old and it's a mystery why certain things were done the way they were and when.

After a bit more looking around it looks like the quad mixed Dennis tracks in question are 3 short unfinished tracks that Desper mixed for a quad demonstration acetate in 1970. He did a demo for the AES in Hollywood and that was the genesis of the rumors of quad tracks from the Pacific Ocean Blue period. Apparently there is a bootleg out there called Dreamer with Quad Symphony listed as track 10 that has all 3 snippets edited together with a 24bit transfer. If anyone out there has a copy I would love to get it so that I can run it through the DY decoder. According to all available records that demo recording is the very first quad material to be produced in a commercial studio and played back for an audience.
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As the chief recording engineer for the albums listed as being produced in dynaquad, I can tell you that the information posted here IS VERY WRONG.

Only the first FLAME album was recorded in dynaquad.

All the other albums listed were recorded in two-channel stereo sound -- NOT QUADRAPHONIC, DYNAQUAD, EV-4 or any other quad scheme.

Unfortunately there is a lot of mis-information out in the field.

Sunflower, Surf's Up and Keep'n The Summer Alive were released in stereo, but with the unresolved virtual surround matrix imbedded within the stereo tracks.  This is completely different than quadraphonic sound. Quad requires four speakers. Virtual Surround only requires a two-speaker stereo system to be experienced. 

Examples of the resolved virtual surround can be heard by visiting my webpage.
http://swdstudyvideos.com

Follow my instructions at the site for listening. No decoder or external equipment is required. Just a normal stereo system will provide you with the virtual surround experience. Information about these recordings is provided in the text at the website.

If you are a Beach Boy fan or interested in recording techniques, a visit to my website will be well worth your time.

Good Listening, ~Stephen W. Desper

P.S.  The re-issue of the FLAME album, cited in this thread, is not a re-mastering. It is merely a bootleg needle-drop copy and is not authorized by Brother Records Inc.  
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paul g adsett

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welcome mr desper
- it's stuff like this from those who were there
that will help this revamped board become a treasure trove of all thing bbesque.
i look forward to further visits and additions.

(i was going to make some remark about a dyno-rod flushing-out
of the, um, misconceived notions, and blockages
that accumulate here and on other forums,
but, almost but not quite, thought the better of it...
is that company only in the uk?
if so, the analogy would be lost elsewhere)
cheers
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Wes

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I really enjoyed that album. Always reminded me of later Beatles stuff.
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kaycee0101

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Hi Mr. Desper,
I have visited your website and listened to the recordings and I want to say thank you for posting all of those cuts. It was so interesting to hear all of it and it gives a different dimension to being a fan of the BB. Keep it comin!  

Sincerely,
KC[wink]
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