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John B

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thanks, Ako!   Your fresh ears and opinions are highly appreciated.  They remind old jaded folks like me what we must have thought before hearing these songs so very many times.  Thanks !
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You 'NPP-is-as-good-as-Pet Sounds' true-believers did not have to follow me here if you did not want.


As far as I can tell anyone who holds that opinion did not post in this thread. John, I argued many baseless claims you were making about Pet Sounds and about the way Brian sometimes writes songs. If people want to compare NPP to Pet Sounds, I don't fully agree but I can see why they think that. If people want to compare NPP to MIU, I don't fully agree but I can see why they think that. We're free to hold whatever opinions we want, think what you want. But if you make claims (read: claims, not opinions) that are wrong, be prepared to be called out on it.

And because I took offense to your "stupidly twisting nobs" statement, you hint that I'm Joe Thomas himself? Really? Again, I took offense because many talented people, including Brian Wilson were twisting nobs on this album. (And BTW, I'm still furious about how poorly mixed the C50 Live album is and if I ever see Joe in real life I'll be asking for a $20 refund)

@Akosito, MIU is underrated, in my opinion. There are some very beautiful harmonies on it, 'Pitter Patter' is a personal favorite of mine. As John says, the GREAT song on MIU is 'My Diane'. Happy listening!

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I was thinking of Murry's "mixing board" when I used that phrase, Hal.  Just saw 'Summer Dreams' recently. I was using it as a metaphor, worst-case if you will.  Sorry, if I was not clear about that.   
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I guess I don't understand the point of listing point-by-point reasons why not to like an album in a discussion where they're listing reasons why they do like an album. Whatever comparisons someone wants to make are their own business. If people hear shadows of Pet Sounds in NPP or any other Brian work, at that point - to be blunt - why argue with them? It's opinion. Let them have that opinion and enjoy what they enjoy.
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yes, Guitar Hero, I can understand that point of view.  I now live in California, where people think it is polite to respect the space of others--not to even make eye contact in lines at 7-11.  Walking the dog down the street?  Your 'good day, sir' will likely be met with a stare up towards the telephone lines.   Not very Texan, though.  Some might say, 'not very fun' either.  Don't I get points for having the sense to move my thoughts to a new topic?

You know, on the subject of strong musical opinions, to my horrors, my best friend in jr. high liked Led Zepellen.  Horrifying to me, then.  Still is.  Yet, we were friends.

How about this?  I always wondered about the feud in England between U2 fans and Coldplay fans.  It is said that they hate each other's favorite band(s). I always thought this was only a UK thing.  BUT, in a recent conversation--at Christmas time, near the Lord's birthday no less!, my youngest (and closest) brother told me that he HATED Coldplay, much preferring U2.  I was shocked, since I feel the opposite.  I hate U2 more than any other group, more than Led Zepelen even!  (god, zep fans, help me with spell check--I keep getting a red line no matter what I type).  I mean, come on, said I.  What song is nearly as good by U2 as 'When I Ruled the World'?   and he said he HATED that song.  But the stuck up/would be holy guy thing?  Didn't it bother him?  Not at all!  was actually what he said to me.  Coldplay he hated more, even Gweneth's nice ex.!! 





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John,

As a fan, the correct spelling is Led Zeppelin.  

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Well, that's hard to spell, innit, kds?

btw, where do you stand on this U2 v. Coldplay controversy?  At this point, I would almost be relieved to hear someone say, 'they're both mediocre, bleep hole, why bring them up on a Brian Wilson site'?  Texans would say that...but with a smile on their face, you see.
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I'm a big fan of early U2.  You know, back when they were just a band, and Bono wasn't trying to win a Nobel Prize.  I really like a lot of what they did in the 80s.  I will say that much of their material after 1992 has been pretty patchy.  

With the possible exception of Clocks, Coldplay doesn't do anything for me.  I wouldn't say I hate or despise them.  More indifferent.  

I never really got the comparison with Coldplay and U2.  That's kinda like the comparison I've seen on SSMB to The Beach Boys and The Eagles (bringing it back to BB/BW world).  
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where to start. I never heard about this u2 coldplay rivalry. By the way right now i'm listening to LA's here comes the night and i realize i know this track forever. its nice to this late time of day. anyway going back to subject, all i remember is Radiohead always complaining Colplay were copying them, until they started to on latest songs with no apologies. Back in the day in the uk was a huge fight between Oasis and Blur. i cannot even begin to understand where Led Zeppelin stands in this whole mess. Oasis was as everybody knows a Beatles tribute band and back then Damon Alborn from blur wanted to be the new Ray Davies. I kinda found back then Blur funny and their early stuff chillingly poetic. I never liked Liam Gallagher much, i think he has an atitude problem. I always preferred Noels voice and character. And also apparently he was the talented one, the songs he sings speak to me. I think in my modest opinion its kinda unfair to compare u2 to coldplay because the first have such a long history, although coldplay are catching up quickly. I also like Keane. As lifespan U2 had a nice career and despite many saying they only a copy of joy division or whatever or that they suck since 82, well i love the unforgettable fire produced by Eno their later stuff is mind-blowing too, however i think they start to show age on how to dismantle....  another huge thing in my childhood was Joshua tree. Everyone's eyes were set on America then. since then me too dream of visiting. All i know is in my life i've listened to a lot of U2, coldplay, Oasis and blur. Led Zep i got almost all their albums. They invented hard Rock, they had this whole mystic vibe of pure goth rock gods. they were great. i studied design and i am not familiar with tempos or any other technicalities but i do like to match music that sounds good together by "mood" and lyrics and i can see a playlist with almost all these bands
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i have a dream of starting guitar lessons this year so for a change maybe one day soon i finally understand my first love, music.
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Akosito,

We're getting off the rails here, but here's my next two pennies. 

I'm a big Zeppelin fan, but I think they tend to get a little too much credit for inventing hard rock or heavy metal.  

The Kinks, The Who, Cream, Hendrix, Deep Purple, Vanilla Fudge, of course The Yardbirds (as they would evolve into Led Zeppelin), and even The Beatles were all doing hard rock before Led Zeppelin debuted.  

I will agree Zeppelin were influential, as Ritchie Blackmore shook up their lineup after hearing Led Zeppelin to make Deep Purple heavier.  Then, in the wake of Zeppelin's debut, you had debuts by Uriah Heep and Black Sabbath.  And The Who released Who's Next.  Zeppelin did help define the genre, but I really don't think they invented it.  
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me bad![frown] its like forgetting the founding fathers. yes i read all about this. i listened to some too specially the who cream and some yardbirds, i'm not ignorant of Hendrix, how could i.

its great to be around music lovers. although like most times in music i feel like a kid on a candy store

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I think you had an Oasis v. Oasis battle there for awhile.  ha.  I confess to buying an Oasis record--one.  Never U2.  Not Joshua tree not rattle and dumb.  not anything by Creed, either.
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well on u2 we agree to disagree. I think i heard one creed song in my life. its kinda catchy but its like that music you know its bubblegum
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Akosito,

No worries.  
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