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meant4you

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Solid show overall tonight!
  • Brian looked and sounded much better than when I last saw him at the Kennedy Center show in Nov 2018.
  • Not a whole lot of chit-chat between songs, no encores
  • Al was very active and sounded great as usual
  • Matt was on with his amazing falsetto.
  • Blondie again rocked his yellow suit and did his "is he drunk/wow what a guitar virtuoso/man he's like a combination of mick&keith prancing around the stage" thing.
  • Rob on guitar in Nicky's spot (RIP. I just found out recently that he passed.)
Shout out to my Section 2 Row F buddies and fellow harmonizers, Tom and Mark!
 
And now for the set list (pardon the acronyms):
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CG, DDD, IGA ("here's an early 60s song"-BW), Vehicle Medley: SD-LDC-LH, SLC (very excited to hear it live!), SG ("the 1st song I ever wrote!"), DWB (Matt was excellent), California Saga, DIA, LHRW, Darlin (Darian), H&V w/cantina, Blondie Medley: FF-WH (awesome extended guitar solos and stage movement)-SOS, ICHM (Darian), PS Medley: WIBN (Matt w/Brian on bridge)-SJB-GOK (Brian!), GV (Brian, Blondie back out on tambourine), HMR, BA (great sax solo by PVM), SUSA, FFF, L&M (Brian sounded beautifully strong and passionate)

G'night!

-AJ
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Thanks for the review!
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Al Forsyth

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Thank you and very easy to read abbreviations.
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great...but couldn't we somehow get rid of BA?   (I know great sax, but even with Bruce Springsteen guest appearances, isn't it, after so many performances, BO?) 
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I mean, are we really so sure that we really gave PS a sincere 'try', before deciding that 'she wouldn't do'??   Where are you, Al?

Best case scenario, unlikely to occur:

Brian says at a concert, 'I really loved my brother Carl, and he really hated a song we used to do all the time.  So, tonight instead of 'BA', here's
"Long Promised Road."
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...Best case scenario, unlikely to occur:

Brian says at a concert, 'I really loved my brother Carl, and he really hated a song we used to do all the time.  So, tonight instead of 'BA', here's "Long Promised Road."

You'll always hear "Barbara Ann" in Brian's (full) encore - it's one of those dance songs the casual Beach Boys fans expect...expect to hear and dance to (if only in their seats).  And though it was originally a Regents hit in '61, it was a bigger (#2) hit for the Beach Boys in '66 (#3 in the UK), and blends well with the other Beach Boys' hits up to then.  Besides, Brian's band always seem to have a good time playing it live.

If you wanted "Long Promised Road" John, you should've seen the last ("Something Great From '68") tour.  Along with that, you would've heard  "Friends", "Diamond Head", "Till I Die", and "Surf's Up"...among other rarities (not to mention The Zombies playing "Odessey & Oracle").

So many fans pay to hear the hits - and #2 is a BIG hit.  I don't think Brian gets enough credit for mixing up his setlist and throwing in deep tracks...especially when you consider how hard they are to learn and play with authenticity. 

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...the 'casual Beach Boys fan', the one who can't put names with faces, and probably thinks all the soda pop commercials through the years WERE the boys?  Yes, they should certainly get their 'BA' at "the Beach Boys" show coming to their local casino or fairground soon.  It will be led by a man wearing a red hat.   Isn't that enough?   

So many Brian fans pay to hear BA?   I feel like we're in the Fabulous Baker Boys, Bugs, you saying how important the song 'Feelings' is to the set, while I compare it to parsley...  Would those fans go home slapping themselves on the thigh, and complaining: "they didn't play BA!!  that's the last time I go!" (?).  and, if so, does Brian need such 'fans'?   They didn't even know BA was going to be a single, it wasn't Brian's choice.  It was Dean's, so ironic to hear Carl say 'thank's Dean' at the end.  What BA was at the time, was a worried Capitol stall release, since Brian was taking so long on a record they didn't understand or support, nor did the 'casual' fan.  In a sense, performing BA is bringing back Capitol's 1965-1966 promotion priorities, effort and strategy and pronouncing it 'good'.  Was it?
 I worry if your logic would extend to 'Kokomo'.  Should Brian be playing that song too, just because it went to #1 and 'was a really big hit'?  


p.s. man the Lost Brian and Andy Paley bootleg is so consistent and great, to me, far better than BA.   Is it in some small fault, due to this dubiously elevated casual fan that we don't get that, but we'll hear BA for the rest of our lives at every dang show he does?
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Solid review from meant4you.
I hear you John B. I once got tired of BA. But since then I found it is a good song and I can go along to get along.

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Should Brian be playing that song too, just because it went to #1 and 'was a really big hit'?  

Yes, as this may be the one chance some will get to see live what they consider are the BBs. I always feel good when the casual fans around me light up at the GH encore.

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Is it in some small fault, due to this dubiously elevated casual fan that we don't get that, but we'll hear BA for the rest of our lives at every dang show he does?

Yes, the dubiously elevated casual fan changes out at each show.  The seasoned fan has come to understand this is a bread and butter song for the brand.

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...the 'casual Beach Boys fan', the one who can't put names with faces, and probably thinks all the soda pop commercials through the years WERE the boys?  Yes, they should certainly get their 'BA' at "the Beach Boys" show coming to their local casino or fairground soon.  It will be led by a man wearing a red hat.   Isn't that enough?   

No, I have talked to, read posts from, and otherwise marveled at the folks who have raved on believing they have seen Brian or will going to be seeing him soon when in actuality it will be the M&B version that they have or will see.  It's all the same to them. It's the BBs and they want BA.
I personally would not cry if BA were dropped, but don't dare take my FFF away! [nono]

Anyway, there were other cool parts to the show at the MGM National Harbor which was one of the strongest I have seen in a while.  The MGM National Harbor is not exactly a hot spot in January. It's always tough to get to from DC and the farther VA and MD suburbs and the mid week timing makes it worse. Most of the locals go to the harbor to find a job, not spend a fortune in the upscale casino.  It was crowded on the floor and in the first tier, but the upper sections were virtually open.  The theater had the look and acoustics of a high school gym but somehow the sound was melded, if a bit loud and bouncy.  The light show is really getting to be a subtle but fascinating backdrop. It was more of a sedate group than I was expecting but there were a significant number of people who were obviously appreciative Brian, Al, Blondie, and the band.  Not many dancers, even for BA. There was the exception of the enthused young lady who ran up to the front at the encore to start dancing on her own but was quickly tackled by security. [smile]

Here's a snippet from the souncheck and one of GOK I managed to capture from the night. 

 


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I know, mostly what you say, Deb#1.  Despite everything, if I were say up in Reno to ski some weekend, and I see, 'whataya know!  The 'Boys' are playing at the same casino we're staying,' I'd go (with the kids) and wouldn't complain about BA.   Surely, red hats would not be worn on stage.  

BUT.  I have a theory--am I wrong? that if you come on this site and if you go see a Brian Wilson show, even one advertised as 'Brian Wilson--the genius behind the Beach Boys, Live!' etc., you're more than a casual fan.  This assemblage performed "Pet Sounds" and "Smile" live, at Symphony Halls with classical instrumentation, etc.   They have made many albums with original songs since ...1989.   Most love the man who made the music, that's why they came.   Right?

Dissent but yes, it's a valid opinion---on the 'Kokomo' question.  W/O Brian, there would not have been a 'Beach Boys' or a song in a scientologist's mediocre film (that went to #1).  But, he was invited to be on that song.  and it's as much a 'BB' song as is 'BA.

p.s. and if you are a casual fan who somehow found your way to this site, please go to YOUTUBE and click on "You're Still a Mystery to Me."  
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I'm suddenly reminded of a former poster who has been away--kds, and who is missed.  In such a discussion, I believe it was his belief that IF when Brian does BA, the original writer of the song gets royalties, then he had no problem with the BW Band always doing the song.  If his estate (I forget if he's still alive or not) receives nothing, vote no.

I've got a similar qualification/request for 'Kokomo'.   Since it was co-written by a perpetrator of incest rape, does the victim of that crime receive royalties?  If so, no problem, Brian could certainly understand supporting rehabilitation for child abuse victims and substance abuse recovery.  If not, forget it...
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Hello everyone. It's been a few years since I've participated on this site, but I'm glad to be back. I was at the concert at National Harbor. It was one of his better shows of late. My big concern is his health which is not the best. Kudos to BW for wanting to continue touring.

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Hello everyone. It's been a few years since I've participated on this site, but I'm glad to be back. I was at the concert at National Harbor. It was one of his better shows of late. My big concern is his health which is not the best. Kudos to BW for wanting to continue touring.

That goes for me too.

Time passes by so quickly.

Age may be against him but I sure hope we see Brian back down under again one day soon.

Best wishes, L & M to all.

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...the 'casual Beach Boys fan', the one who can't put names with faces, and probably thinks all the soda pop commercials through the years WERE the boys?  Yes, they should certainly get their 'BA' at "the Beach Boys" show coming to their local casino or fairground soon.  It will be led by a man wearing a red hat.   Isn't that enough?   

So many Brian fans pay to hear BA?   I feel like we're in the Fabulous Baker Boys, Bugs, you saying how important the song 'Feelings' is to the set, while I compare it to parsley...  Would those fans go home slapping themselves on the thigh, and complaining: "they didn't play BA!!  that's the last time I go!" (?).  and, if so, does Brian need such 'fans'?   They didn't even know BA was going to be a single, it wasn't Brian's choice.  It was Dean's, so ironic to hear Carl say 'thank's Dean' at the end.  What BA was at the time, was a worried Capitol stall release, since Brian was taking so long on a record they didn't understand or support, nor did the 'casual' fan.  In a sense, performing BA is bringing back Capitol's 1965-1966 promotion priorities, effort and strategy and pronouncing it 'good'.  Was it?
 I worry if your logic would extend to 'Kokomo'.  Should Brian be playing that song too, just because it went to #1 and 'was a really big hit'?  


p.s. man the Lost Brian and Andy Paley bootleg is so consistent and great, to me, far better than BA.   Is it in some small fault, due to this dubiously elevated casual fan that we don't get that, but we'll hear BA for the rest of our lives at every dang show he does?

 

I know, mostly what you say, Deb#1.  Despite everything, if I were say up in Reno to ski some weekend, and I see, 'whataya know!  The 'Boys' are playing at the same casino we're staying,' I'd go (with the kids) and wouldn't complain about BA.   Surely, red hats would not be worn on stage. 

BUT.  I have a theory--am I wrong? that if you come on this site and if you go see a Brian Wilson show, even one advertised as 'Brian Wilson--the genius behind the Beach Boys, Live!' etc., you're more than a casual fan.  This assemblage performed "Pet Sounds" and "Smile" live, at Symphony Halls with classical instrumentation, etc.   They have made many albums with original songs since ...1989.   Most love the man who made the music, that's why they came.   Right?

Dissent but yes, it's a valid opinion---on the 'Kokomo' question.  W/O Brian, there would not have been a 'Beach Boys' or a song in a scientologist's mediocre film (that went to #1).  But, he was invited to be on that song.  and it's as much a 'BB' song as is 'BA.

 

p.s. and if you are a casual fan who somehow found your way to this site, please go to YOUTUBE and click on "You're Still a Mystery to Me." 

I'm suddenly reminded of a former poster who has been away--kds, and who is missed.  In such a discussion, I believe it was his belief that IF when Brian does BA, the original writer of the song gets royalties, then he had no problem with the BW Band always doing the song.  If his estate (I forget if he's still alive or not) receives nothing, vote no.

I've got a similar qualification/request for 'Kokomo'.   Since it was co-written by a perpetrator of incest rape, does the victim of that crime receive royalties?  If so, no problem, Brian could certainly understand supporting rehabilitation for child abuse victims and substance abuse recovery.  If not, forget it...

As often happens, I read a few lines of your posts…and end up wondering what it is you’re trying to say.  And then, why.[confused]

In this case, it seems you’ve devoted a lot of ink to complain about hearing ‘Barbara Ann’ at Brian’s shows.  OK – don’t go (or head for the john, John).    

And ‘Kokomo’ has nothing to do with my thoughts, Brian’s encores, or Brian’s involvement.  He had nothing to do with that sugar-coated song…whereas he DID sing parts of the lead on the cover/release of ‘BA’ (for better or worse).

The guy’s nearly 80 – what do you hope to accomplish with this “Ban BA Forever” campaign?[rolleyes]

 

P.S.  Ha!  kds – haven’t thought about him in a long time…didn’t notice he was gone (so I guess he's not missed...by me)!  At his core, it was obvious he was just a Mike Love fanboy, so no great loss.  No doubt found a related site where he feels somewhat at home.


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Most of this original post--which I had no idea would keep going, you should know, was a play on song titles with acronyms.  don't trouble yourself too much, Bugs.  Next time I post something that confuses you, you can just assume it was not intended for you.   For example, that someone would make a joke about BA being BO. It was a joke. Carl thought so, too.  

I then asked a follow-up question, based on Brian's supposed responsibility to play a song associated with the Boys by the dreaded 'casual' fan, and was told by Deb#1, the opposite answer I expected.  'Yes'.  the casual fan associates the Boys with 'Kokomo', so by the same token that he must always play a #2 (that is, uh, a number 2--), he should also play a #1.  I said I 'dissent'.  I did not consider this discussion to be telling a 79 year old genius what to do.  It was just a friendly fanboy as you say debate.   Again, there would be no 'Boys' without Brian, and he was invited to be on that song, but would the 'casual' fan know he wasn't?

BA is kind of short.  I am not young.  How far away is the bathroom?  Is there a line?   Would I miss a better song?  These are the questions I have regarding your advice to STFU and use it as a bathroom break.   Don't think it work out...

Lastly, Mr. Bunny, I think you should look at yourself when you malign someone who is not here to defend themselves.  what made him a Mike Love fanboy?  (suddenly, I become Bill Maher again, hate Mike Love but not those who like him).  He had a different point of view.  Extra points of view, or at least tolerance for other points of view prevents fascism.   That's why young people like Bernie! (and why he's polling number 1 in California), even as the intolerant become confused and name-call. 


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Bugs and John B. - I was in that camp a few years back to say goodbye to BA - BUT it's a staple of the encore.  That encore is NOT going to change drastically - just not.  AND, as John B says - GREAT sax.  Paul von Mertens lights it up.  And hey, Bruce Springsteen likes it too!  

Yes, the whole Beach Boys' Party was a stopgap by Capitol all the while Brian moved on toward Pet Sounds. 

Sometimes you just got to loosen up and dance to the music.  If the break in BA doesn't get that done for anyone - (along with SUSA) I don't know what will. 

Hey Brian and the band are on tour - all good.

So let's have a truce - and say, whatever Brian wants to play - PLAY. 

One little note on McCartney shows - as soon as he says we're going to do a new song - the bolting for the br begins. 

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