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Verden McCutcheon

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week one season 9 playoffs-Battle of the Tins

               1)All along the Watchtower....way to good for tin

               2)How can I be sure...another very good song

               3)My baby loves lovin..this was a new one for me

               4)Maybe I know...Great female singer

               5)Summer in Paradise.....Pure Mike is what it is !!!

                               then it drops of steeply

Al Forsyth

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Eddie - was doing a cabaret show?  Some Rascals in here.

Of course:

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
Tom Tobben

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Al, YES to Rascals and to Miami Steve's entertaining R&R HOF tribute to them! I LOVE the Rascals and still have most of their old LPs from way back when. 

Back in November, Felix Cavaliere and Gene Cornish, touring as the Rascals, were supposed to perform in St. Louis, touring with Ronnie Spector, but for some reason their concert was canceled. What a disappointment! I did get to see Cavaliere perform back in the 1980s as a member of Ringo's All-Star Band, even though he only got to perform 2 or 3 Rascals hits.

Another personal favorite, lesser-known Rascals song from their 1969 double album Freedom Suite:

My votes this week ranked from top to bottom:

Upper tier:

#1 "All Along the Watchtower", Hendrix. Jimi takes an excellent laid back Dylan classic from Dylan's 1967 album, John Wesley Harding, and turns it into a rock classic, displaying his guitar virtuosity. I'm always amazed at what a large variety of Dylan originals have been covered by others and went on to become big hits by the other artist.

2. "How Can I Be Sure", Rascals. Though not perhaps their most famous song, it's still a classic from these legendary "Jersey Boys" who became the epitome of blue-eyed soul.

3. "FM (No Static at All)", Steely Dan. Not on one of their original albums, this was the title song from the 1978 film FM. The song was recorded during the same sessions as their legendary Aja album with some of the same musicians, so the song has a similar jazzy feel as the Aja album.

During a number of weeks during this past year's battles, any of the three songs above could have been my Gold selection. They're all that good.

Middle tier -- good enough but not great:

4. "Maybe I Know", Leslie Gore. Not one of her very best, but still a good song with that trademark Leslie Gore sound and attitude. Oh, her troubles with the guys in those early songs!

5. "My Baby Loves Lovin'", White Plains. "Pure pop for 'then' people", with apologies to Nick Lowe. A catchy pop tune that made a solid chart showing in 1970 as pop and rock were diverging in different directions and often not played on the same radio stations.

6. "Down among the Dead Men", Flash and the Pan. Too bad this catchy song didn't get more airplay in the US back in the late 70s. Interesting that they chose the sinking of the Titanic as the subject matter for this song, and before Leo and Kate made that tragic event a modern pop culture phenomenon, despite Celine Dion's mushy title song.

7. "It's Over Now", Beach Boys. Too bad this decent song didn't see the light of day until years later, even if it does sound too slow and lachrymose despite Carl's lead vocals. Why is it that whenever Marilyn sings on a Beach Boys song, she always sounds a bit off key? There's something lacking about this song that it was not good enough to be included on either of the lackluster 15 Big Ones or Love You albums in 1976/1977 that it was due to be held over to the abandoned Adult Child album. Without a fully engaged Brian during those years, the Beach Boys struggled to create much good new music. 

Lower tier, only so so:

8. "Blue Monday", New Order. I'm generally not a big fan of electronic dance music, especially ones that don't really have a catchy melody. Disco and New Wave meet synthesized electronic sounds. OK, but not really a song or style I'd seek out. 

9. "Kleines Surfer Girl", Die Strandjungs. The Beach Boys original is a classic, but I'm really not into a foreign language cover version, even if it's a faithful cover. Same reason I was never interested in the German versions of some early Beatles songs. 

10. "Summer in Paradise", Beach Boys. There's a good reason why this album has been discontinued for years and is still not available, despite substantially all of the earlier original Beach Boys albums still being available unused. This title song is just more of Mike's obsessive outdated, cliched "formula" music, dressed up for the 1990s, and featuring his increasingly whiny lead vocals. Lipstick on a pig?

Different strokes for different folks, as usual, in this week's first year-end playoff round. 

Even though our musical tastes are often quite different, Darren, thanks as always for all the time and effort you put into planning and managing our year-end playoffs, our musical highlights reward at the end of each season of the BOTBs that brings each year's efforts to a sense of closure and ranks the most favored songs. 

And also, thanks to everyone who has stepped up during the year to create and host one or more of our weekly battles! Without sufficient hosts to come up with interesting battles each week, we wouldn't have our regular weekly battles (and related music) to enjoy and discuss, on what has for years been the most active page of the Brian Wilson website.

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10 points.  My Baby Loves Lovin'
9.  All Along the Watchtower     
8.  It's Over Now. 
7.  Kleines Surfer Girl.   Yes, something's lost in translation.  Still it scored more gold in its week (a very close one) than the winner. 
6.  Maybe I Know    
5.  How Can I Be Sure     
4.  Down Among the Dead Men (And the Band Played On)      
3.  FM (No Static at All)    
2.  Summer in Paradise     
1.  Blue Monday     

Darren, I don't know what a steely is (you asked me, sort of) but I refer you to week 28. 
bonnie bella

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If you don't know what a steely dan is, dan, I commend you wholeheartedly.

Al, I had no idea you were such a fan of the Rascals.

Darren, thanks for putting all this together. I'm looking forward to the next line-up.


Clowns divorce: custardy battle.     Simon Munnery


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Unfortunately, I know what a steely Dan is.  Read it in a book years ago and I think once you know it, you know it.

I probably would have put It's Over Now higher but for the vocal 'distortion'.

Kleines Surfer Girl may in fact date back to '85.

Cantina Margarita

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Hi guys,

a happy new year to everybody !

My call:

01. All Along the Watchtower ... what people have been trying to do on their guitars for 50 years, he did it in 1967.

02. Down Among the Dead Men … „Midnight Man“ was a huge hit here some years later

03. Maybe I Know ... here have a typically British march song long before Penny Lane

04. FM (No Static at All)


05. Blue Monday … Kraftwerk, look what you dun to pop music ...

06. Kleines Surfer Girl … trust me, the lyrics do everything but flatter the BB

07. It's Over Now (The Beach Boys - circa 1977/1993)

08. How Can I Be Sure (The Young Rascals - 1967)

09. Summer in Paradise (live) (The Beach Boys 1993/1997)

10. My Baby Loves Lovin’ (White Plains – 1970) … something worse will be hard to find


01 to 04 are really good, if not even great tracks, the rest is waste for me.

Here‘s my favourite German cover version of a worldwide #1 hit song. Frequently played in hockey arenas whenever an unsympathetic player of the guest team gets a 2 min penalty.


Pata Pata ist ein Willkommens-Song der Ostfriesen.
Wenn der Fremde in Friesland am Bahnhof ankommt,
dann öffnen sich alle Türen und Fenster,
und alle Friesen und Friesinnen singen ihm ihr Willkommenslied,
und das geht so:

Dummer Sack, dummer Sack,
verzieh dich
du dummer Sack, dummer Sack,
verzieh dich,
hau lieber ab, hau lieber ab,
hau lieber ab, hau lieber ab,
verzieh dich
du Arschloch.

... omG ... these infamous handclaps on 1 and 3 .... Google is wrong in translation: "hau lieber ab" means as much as "we urgently recommend you to disappear".


Darren J. Ray

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Reply with quote  #23 
Thanks very much to Verden, Tom, DAN and Cantina for the latest batch of votes and some great comments. 

Interesting week; a couple of big polarisers in there.

Thank you, Tom. It's a lot of work but a pleasure.

Cantina, I wondered what your take on 'Kleines Surfer Girl' would be.

And here's 'Midnight Man'. I recognise it. Liked it enough to play it twice. 

Flash and the Pan had more success in Europe than they did here in Australia. 

Of course, Vanda & Young had huge success with the Easybeats and later a worldwide hit with 'Love is in the Air' (John Paul Young). Really talented guys. 

We're in the home stretch as far as the Tin votes go. 

Hoping we get as many voters as possible to give us an accurate portrayal of board opinion.

Then we'll turn the heat up a notch as we move onto the Bronzes.  

paul g adsett

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two i really really love.
two excellent pop ditties.
one sub-their-best by a great group.
and then the rest...

10: Blue Monday

09: All Along the Watchtower

08. How Can I Be Sure  

07: My Baby Loves Lovin’

06: FM (No Static at All)

05: It's Over Now

04: Summer in Paradise 

03: Maybe I Know

02: Down Among the Dead Men 

01:  Kleines Surfer Girl


David W

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Reply with quote  #25 
1 All Along the Watchtower 
2 Blue Monday 
3 How Can I Be Sure 
4 FM No Static
5 It's Over Now
6 Maybe I Know
7 Kleines Surfer Girl
8 My Baby Loves Lovin’ 
9 Summer in Paradise 
10 Down Among the Dead Men (And the Band Played On)


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Reply with quote  #26 
  1. How Can I be Sure
  2. My Baby Loves Lovin
  3. All Along the Watchtower 
  4. Down Among the Dead Men (And the Band Played On)  
  5. Maybe I Know
  6. Summer in Paradise
  7. It’s Over Now
  8. FM (No Static at All) 
  9. Kleines Surfer Girl 
  10. Blue Monday


Al Forsyth

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Reply with quote  #27 

Listen to Dr. Felix.  Still has it!  

Actually T Bedford and Tom T. are larger Racal fans than I but I believe the Rascals to be underappreciated for what they did.  Four outstanding musos came together, even though Eddie was mainly tambo and maracas. 

PLEASE EVERYONE vote in the Battle of Band that Darren does this amazing job with during these playoffs.  Just do it!!!!!!

A diamond necklace played the pawn...

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1 Kleines Surfer Girl 
2 It's Over Now
3 How Can I Be Sure
4 Maybe I Know
5 My Baby Loves Lovin’ 
6 All Along the Watchtower
7 FM (No Static at All) 

8 Blue Monday

9 Down Among the Dead Men (And the Band Played On)  

10 Summer in Paradise

I try hard to be strong
But sometimes I fail myself
And after all I've promised you
So faithfully
You still believe in me
I wanna cry . . .”

Darren J. Ray

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Results from Week 1 of the Play-Offs (Battle of the Tins)...

Hi everyone. 

Here are the results from Week 1 of the Play-Offs (the Battle of the Tins):- 

1. All Along the Watchtower (The Jimi Hendrix Experience - 1968) (eight 1st places) - 137

2. How Can I Be Sure (The Young Rascals - 1967) (two 1st places) - 115 

3. Maybe I Know (Lesley Gore - 1964) (nil 1st places) - 106

4. My Baby Loves Lovin’ (White Plains - 1970) (one 1st place) - 90

5. It's Over Now (The Beach Boys - circa 1977/1993) (one 1st place) - 89

6. FM (No Static at All) (Steely Dan - 1978) (nil 1st places) - 81

7. Down Among the Dead Men (And the Band Played On) (album version) (Flash and the Pan - 1978) (two 1st places) - 80

8. Blue Monday (New Order - 1983) (one 1st place) - 72

9. Kleines Surfer Girl (Die Strandjungs - circa 1993) (one 1st place) - 59

10. Summer in Paradise (live) (The Beach Boys 1993/1997) (nil 1st places) - 51


Thanks to everyone who took the time to vote.

We had 16 voters for the week.

Special thanks to D.A.N for scrutinising the votes for me. 

Congratulations to Larry Franz who selected ‘All Along the Watchtower’ in his strong Week 2. It led for the entire week. 

The songs that beat The Jimi Hendrix Experience in Week 2 were 'The Warmth of the Sun' (The Beach Boys - 1964), 'Paperback Writer' (The Beatles - 1966) and 'Gimme Shelter' (The Rolling Stones - 1969).

Well done, Larry. 

Over the past nine years, the winners of the Tin Play-Off have been: 

Season I - ‘I Do’ (The Beach Boys) (Prodigal Son)
Season II - ‘It Ain’t Me, Babe’ (The Turtles) (Michael F. Becher)
Season III - ‘Silence is Golden’ (live) (The Tremeloes) (t Bedford)
Season IV - ‘Mona Lisa’ (Nat King Cole) (Jo McGuire)
Season V - ‘Back in the U.S.S.R.’ (The Beatles) (Jo McGuire)
Season VI - ‘Silence is Golden’ (The Four Seasons) (Deb#1)
Season VII - ‘My World is Empty Without You’ (The Supremes) (Al Forsyth)
Season VIII - ‘Runaway’ (Del Shannon) (t Bedford)
Season IX - ‘All Along the Watchtower’ (The Jimi Hendrix Experience) (Larry Franz)

The lowest score for ‘All Along the Watchtower’ was a 7th place (yours truly). 13 of the 16 voters had it in their Top 3. 

The songs to not score a 10th place from a voter were ‘All Along the Watchtower’, ‘It’s Over Now’ and ‘How Can I Be Sure’. 

‘My Baby Loves Lovin’’, ‘FM’, ‘Down Among the Dead Men’ and ‘Blue Monday’ were the four big polarisers; ‘Maybe I Know’ and ‘How Can I Be Sure’ to a lesser degree. 

Those six songs all received multiple Top 3 and multiple bottom 3 rankings, from the 14 voters who ranked all 10 songs. (Two voters only ranked their Top 5.)

These four songs all received at least one 1st place and at least one 10th place: ‘Kleines Surfer Girl’ (one and two), ‘Down Among the Dead Men’ (two and one), ‘My Baby Loves Lovin’’ (one and two) and ‘Blue Monday’ (one and three).

The most outright 10th places went to ’Summer in Paradise’ and ‘Blue Monday’ with three each. 

The only song that did not receive a single Top 3 ranking from a voter was ‘Summer in Paradise’. Its highest ranking was a single 4th place, given by its original host, yours truly!

Besides the 13 Top 3 finishes for ‘All Along the Watchtower’, the next best was nine for ‘How Can I Be Sure’. 

Alas, this is the end of the line for ‘All Along the Watchtower’ now as the system does not allow the Tin winner to progress further in the play-offs – remember, we are simply searching for the ultimate Gold, Silver & Bronze songs of the year. 

The competition now starts in earnest as we push on to, presumably, a higher standard batch of songs - the Battle of the Bronzes. 

Please know that your vote in it could make a big difference, with repercussions felt throughout the remainder of the play-offs.

Whichever song wins advances, AND the two songs that beat it in its original week are re-introduced, unless the Silver song from their week, in its own right, also qualifies for the Silver Play-Off and doesn’t win, in which case only the Gold winner from that week will progress. (Hint – there are three Bronze songs this week where that scenario might come into play.) 

This week is now closed. 

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