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paul g adsett

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um, yes - 10 points downwards.
(as it were)help anyone who's order of preference was the exact opposite of mine.
come to think of it,
me & djr often have reverse tastes.
but, hey...
and, oops - my final two were accidentally transposed!
i've swapped  'she's my...' = 2 points
and 'don't worry...' = 1 point.
Darren J. Ray

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This came on last night, also from American Pie

All Don's albums have highlights, but he was churning out gold when he made this album...

Thanks a lot to DAN, t, Graciegirl and Paul for the latest votes and comments. 

You and I do have opposite tastes sometimes, Paul. Like they say, the world would be a boring place if.... But, equally, we often have much common ground, such as our love for the great French singers, and each week I look forward to your votes and insight. If you find beauty in something I haven't, I often re-visit the track in an effort to discover what I've missed. I also think is part of what the Battle is all about. Like I say, I'm an idealist. 

A little under 36 hours until this week closes, folks. 

paul g adsett

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wish it was more often that it's the non-overlapping ones that were,
to explore...
'm not so 'glass half full' / 'glass half empty'
rather like choosing a decent pint,
immm, yep' / 'dishwater!'

Tom Tobben

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Time to vote. Certainly more good songs in our Bronze playoffs than there were for Tin, as might be expected. The final few rounds are where things get really interesting. Here goes, from top to bottom:

"Toppermost of the poppermost" this week:

#1. "American Pie", Don McLean. When this song first came out, it felt so groundbreaking, and an excellent reflection on what had happened to popular music and to our culture from the late 1950s up to the early 1970s. Besides the catchy melody and interesting lyrics, I enjoyed all the references to lyrics from other popular songs and pop culture and artist references. And as much as the song has been overplayed on radio (especially back in the 1970s), I still really enjoy hearing the song for its ensuring appeal and as a snapshot into the period covered in the song.

2. "Everybody's Talkin'", Nilsson. A great pop song by an often underappreciated artist and the breakout song for his too brief, but prolific, music career. And because it played a prominent role in the Academy Award winning movie, Midnight Cowboy, I always think of the two together, and from a time when I was coming of age into young adulthood. 

3. "Soul Searchin'", Solomon Burke. A powerful, truly soulful interpretation of this Brian Wilson nugget, even better than the more pop version by Carl and Brian. This "king of soul", aka "King Solomon", brought real life and heartfelt grit to this powerful song. 

4. "Heaven", Talking Heads. Just one of so many fine and original songs by this dynamic group. While it wouldn't rank among my top few favorite Talking Heads songs, it's still quite good and with thought-provoking lyrics -- "Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens" -- chew on that for a while when contemplating this life and the notion of an afterlife. 

An interesting quote about the song, which I found in Wikipedia:
Dave Bell, writing for quarterly UK magazine Ceasefire, argued that the song "epitomises pop as Samuel Beckett might write it: tedious, beautiful and desperate".

Second tier, decent enough also-rans:

5. "Don't Worry Baby", Ronnie Spector. A lovely song by the artist Brian intended it for in the old Phil Spector fold, but I prefer the original by Brian and the Boys. 

6. "What I Really Want for Christmas", Brian Wilson. One of my favorites from Brian's solo Christmas album and better than most of the songs on previous Beach Boys Christmas albums. 

7. "Sixteen Tons", Tennessee Ernie Ford. This mid-50s country crossover classic is certainly of its era, and as such sounds dated to me. It ruled Billboard's country music charts for 10 weeks and the pop charts for 8 weeks in 1955, just as the rock and roll era was first beginning to make an impact on popular music and launching a whole new era for a young new generation. Ford's other big 1955 crossover classic, thanks to Walt Disney's TV mini-series of the same name:

Bringing up the rear:

8. "She's My Baby", Johnny O'Keefe. Certainly fits in with that late 50s rock and roll music. But, I suppose you had to be there at the time to fully appreciate it. Having just heard this song for the first time this past year, it didn't quite resonate with me like the many late 50s classics I grew up with as a young kid. Decent enough song though. 

9. "Too Much Sugar", Brian Wilson. Like too many of his songs from that era, the song has a sing-song-y manner, and the lyrics seem pretty lightweight and perhaps even a bit preachy about eating healthy. Musically, it lacks those gorgeous Brian Wilson hooks, melodies, and arrangements of many of his earlier and later songs. There's a reason why it wasn't included on the original Brian Wilson album in 1987 and was only included later on the expanded Rhino/Atlantic Records version of the album in 2000. Filler.

10. "Endless Harmony", Bruce Johnston/Beach Boys. I'm not much of a fan of loungy cocktail music and that's exactly what the first 2:16 of this song is. Sounds nothing like the Beach Boys and more like pretentious pop slop. Only does it begin to get interesting for the final 50 seconds, once Carl and the Boys join in and Bruce's boring cocktail music fades into the background. It's like an unrelated piece of music was tagged on at the end in order to try to make it a recognizable Beach Boys song. Bruce's lyrics may be about the Beach Boys, but the song sure doesn't sound like a Beach Boys song, until the very ending. Bruce "writes the songs"? Nope. 

Looking forward to next week's Silver round, then the really good stuff in the final two weeks!


David W

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My votes :

1.Don’t Worry Baby (Ronnie Spector - 

2. American Pie (Don McLean - 
3. Everybody’s Talkin’ (Nilsson -

4.Soul Searchin’ (Solomon Burke -

5.Sixteen Tons (Tennessee Ernie Ford - 

6. What I Really Want for Christmas (Brian Wilson - 

7. Heaven (Talking Heads -
8. She's My Baby (Johnny O'Keefe - 

9.Too Much Sugar (Brian Wilson -
10.  Endless Harmony (The Beach Boys - 

Nothing to do with any of the above but we have just had a new oldies station start up down here in the far south west of UK . They played this  , that I haven't heard for years .
What a great gospelly tune . According to the comments , this brought together Billy Preston , Eric Clapton , George Harrison and maybe one of the Stones .The interplay between the hammond and the guitar licks in the last two minutes makes it worth listening to the whole track .

Cantina Margarita

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Hi guys,

my list is as follows:

... songs I love:

01. American Pie

02. What I Really Want for Christmas

... songs I like:

03. Don’t Worry Baby

04. Heaven

05. Sixteen Tons

... songs I find interesting: 

06. Soul Searchin’

07. Everybody’s Talkin’

08. Too Much Sugar

... songs I take as unsignificant: 

09. She's My Baby

10. Endless Harmony

I'll probably work on this quick post later on, but my list won't change. I promise.


Verden McCutcheon

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   Season 9 Week 2 Playoffs Bronze...

                        1)American Pie

                        2)Everybody's Talkin


                        4)She's my Baby

                        5)Dont worry Baby

                        6)Sixteen Tons

                        7)Soul Searchin

                        8)Endless Harmony

                        9)What I really want for Christmas

                       10)To much Sugar
                                                                     My Bronzer's
bonnie bella

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I once entered the world tanning championships. Came out with a bronze.

Anyway, the votes.

1. Talking Heads. An easy standout in a ragtag of quirky third placers. 

2. Nilsson. Overplayed but excellent. Who said Nilsson was underrated? I'd agree.

3.  Don McLean.  Madonna really ruined this for me when she produced her sickly Madonna-laden version. It's a great sing-along type of song until you get to the 52nd verse and can't remember the lyrics anymore. But there are a couple of iconic lines in there I love.

4.  Solomon Burke.  A shame I can't place this higher. It's gorgeous.

5.  For some reason, I am placing Endless Harmony here. My Brian obsession must be getting out of hand. Call the doctor.

6.  Tennessee Ernie Ford.  This hardworking chap has a catchy enough tune, but he didn't quite lug his load into my top 5.

7.  Ronnie Spector.  I just wish they'd left it alone.

8.  Johnny O'Keefe.  And he's lucky there's a Christmas tune and child's song in the mix, or he might not have fared so well.

9.  Brian Wilson singing about the end of December in places where it snows.

10. Brian Wilson singing about how sugar is like heroin and does not help you get out of bed in the morning.

As with David, I'll also post a random song. Listened to this over the weekend and ramped up the volume.

Really looking forward to this year's silvers. Bring 'em on.


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1 - Soul Searchin’
2 - Don’t Worry Baby
3 - What I Really Want for Christmas
4 - Sixteen Tons
5 - Everybody’s Talkin’ 
6 - American Pie 
7 - Too Much Sugar 
8 - She's My Baby
9 - Endless Harmony 
10 - Heaven

What the world needs now is love, sweet love
It's the only thing that there's just too little of
What the world needs now is love, sweet love,
No, not just for some but for everyone.”

Darren J. Ray

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Thanks very much to Tom (great work), David, Cantina, Verden, bonnie and Deb for the last votes and comments. 

Well, that did it!

Why do Bronze Play-Offs produce such close results? I have no idea, but they do. 

The polling booth has now closed. 

Results to follow. 
Darren J. Ray

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Results from Week 2 of the Play-Offs (Battle of the Bronzes)...

Hi everyone.

Here are the results from Week 2 of the Play-Offs (the Battle of the Bronzes):- 


1. Everybody’s Talkin’ (Nilsson - 1968) (three 1st places) - 129

2. American Pie (Don McLean - 1971) (five 1st places) - 128

3. Don’t Worry Baby (Ronnie Spector - 1999) (two 1st places) - 109

4. Soul Searchin’ (Solomon Burke - 2002) (one 1st place) - 94 

5. Heaven (Talking Heads - 1979) (four 1st places) - 93

6. Sixteen Tons (Tennessee Ernie Ford - 1955) (one 1st place) - 88

7. What I Really Want for Christmas (Brian Wilson - 2005) (nil 1st places) - 77

8. She's My Baby (Johnny O'Keefe - 1959) (nil 1st places) - 70

9. Endless Harmony (The Beach Boys - 1980) (nil 1st places) - 47

10. Too Much Sugar (Brian Wilson - 1987) (nil 1st places) - 45

Man, that was close!

Until Deb put in the last vote, ‘American Pie’ was winning on a countback of five 1st places to three.

Thanks to everyone who took the time to vote.

We had 16 voters for the week, the same as last week.

Special thanks to D.A.N for scrutinising the votes for me.

Congratulations to Cindy Hood who selected ‘Everybody’s Talkin’’ in her Week 10.

The songs that beat Nilsson in Week 10 were ‘The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine Anymore’ (The Walker Brothers - 1966) and ‘River Song’ (Dennis Wilson - 1977).

Usually all three songs would now progress to the Preliminary Final.

However, ‘River Song’ has qualified for the Silver Play-Off in its own right. If it wins the Silver Play-Off, all three songs will progress. If it doesn’t, we know that there are at least three more songs that are more popular than ‘River Song’ – the winner of the Silver Play-Off and the song that beat it in its original week, and ‘The Sun Ain’t Gonna Shine Anymore’. In that scenario, only ‘The Sun Ain’t Gonna Shine Anymore’ will progress from Cindy’s Week 10.

In theory, Cindy may have picked the Gold, Silver & Bronze (1st, 2nd & 3rd) songs of the year in the same week (Week 10), but time will tell.

Harry Nilsson is proving popular with voters. Although he has never won a regular week, four of his seven entries have made play-offs.

His record:

Coconut (a Tin in Week 23 of Season II, 7th in Tin Play-Off - Cynthia D. Hood),
Without You (a Bronze in Week 2 of Season III - DomesticAnimalNoises),
1941 (a Tin in Week 11 of Season V, 7th in Tin Play-Off - Tom Tobben),  
One (a Silver in Week 13 of Season V, 8th in Silver Play-Off - Peter Simpson),  
Everybody's Talkin' (a Silver in Week 35 of Season VI - Deb#1),
Everybody’s Talkin’ (a Bronze in Week 10 of Season IX, 1st in Bronze Play-Off - Cindy Hood *) 

* still in contention

Over the past nine years, the winners of the Bronze Play-Off have been:

Season I - ‘Stop! In the Name of Love’ (The Supremes) (Wow! Great Concert!) *
Season II - ‘Time Has Come Today’ (The Chambers Brothers) (Tom Tobben) (finished 6th in Preliminary Final)
Season III - ‘California Dreamin’’ (The Mamas and the Papas) (Tom Tobben) (finished 5th in Preliminary Final)
Season IV - ‘Wishing’ (Buddy Holly) (D.A.N) (finished 8th in Preliminary Final)
Season V - ‘Hawaii’ (The Beach Boys) (Jo McGuire) (finished 8th in Preliminary Final)
Season VI - ‘Make Your Own Kind of Music’ (“Mama” Cass Elliot) (Deb#1) *
Season VII - ‘Be My Baby’ (The Ronettes) (Cindy Hood) (finished 6th in Preliminary Final)
Season VIII - ‘Oh, Pretty Woman’ (Roy Orbison) (t Bedford) (finished 4th in Preliminary Final)
Season IX - ‘Everybody’s Talkin’’ (Nilsson) (Cindy Hood) ?

* In Seasons I and VI, the winners of the Bronze Play-off did not progress to the Preliminary Final as, in both cases, the songs that won Silver in their original weeks (respectively, ‘Gimme Shelter’ and ‘Get Off of My Cloud, both by the Rolling Stones) qualified for the Silver Play-Off and came 5th and 4th.

For some reason, Bronze Play-Offs have a history of producing close results.

Check these out: 

Season I
1. Stop! In the Name Of Love (The Supremes - 1965) (three 1st places) - 112
2. Dance to the Music (Sly & the Family Stone - 1968) (one 1st place) - 112
3. Imagine (John Lennon - 1971) (five 1st places) - 110
4. Rag Doll (The Four Seasons - 1964) (one 1st place) - 110

Season II
1. Time Has Come Today (The Chambers Brothers - 1967) (three 1st places) - 126
2. See Me, Feel Me/Listening To You (The Who - 1975) (six 1st places) - 125 

Season IV
1. Wishing (Buddy Holly - 1958/1963) (five 1st places) - 169
2. Sunshine Superman (Donovan - 1966) (four 1st places) - 169

Season VI
1. Make Your Own Kind of Music (“Mama” Cass Elliot - 1969) (four 1st places) - 143
2. Man on the Moon (R.E.M. - 1992) (six 1st places) - 141

Season IX
1. Everybody’s Talkin’ (Nilsson - 1968) (three 1st places) - 129
2. American Pie (Don McLean - 1971) (five 1st places) - 128

‘Everybody’s Talkin’’ and ‘American Pie’ battled it out all week.

The lowest score for ‘Everybody’s Talkin’’ was a 7th place (from Cantina). 12 of the remaining 15 voters had it in their Top 3.

John B voting ‘American Pie’ his 8th place was its undoing. Eleven of the remaining 15 voters had it in their Top 3.  

The songs to not score a 10th place from any voter were ‘Everybody’s Talkin’’, ‘American Pie’ and ‘Sixteen Tons’.

‘Heaven’ was a polariser, as were ‘Don’t Worry Baby’, ‘Soul Searchin’’, ‘She’s My Baby’, ‘Sixteen Tons’ and ‘What I Really Want for Christmas’.

Those six songs all received multiple Top 3 and multiple bottom 3 rankings.

Three songs received at least one 1st place and at least one 10th place: ‘Don’t Worry Baby’ (two and one), ‘Heaven’ (four and three) and ‘Soul Searchin’’ (one and one).

The most outright 10th places went to ’Endless Harmony’ with seven. The next worst was the very polarising ‘Heaven’ with three.  

The only songs that did not receive a single Top 3 ranking from a voter were ‘Endless Harmony’ and ’Too Much Sugar’. Their highest rankings were 4th places – two for ‘Endless Harmony’ and one for ‘Too Much Sugar’.

Other than ‘Everybody’s Talkin’’, the only other track with a previous entry in the Battle was ‘Soul Searchin’’, used three times now.

Its history:

- a Gold in Week 44 of Season IV (Al Forsyth),
- a Bronze in Week 41 of Season VII (Tom Tobben),
- a Bronze in Week 19 of Season IX, 4th in Bronze Play-Off (Tom Tobben)

The competition now goes up a notch as we push on to the Battle of the Silvers.

This week is now closed. 


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