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Cantina Margarita

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Hi all,

today we have three Beatles related songs (at least in my conception) plus one song from Brian’s great weirdness-tarnished major oeuvre. What we also might have, is SMiLE, as anyone can guess from my nick. So consequently, I’d like us to play a round in a Beatles/SMiLE context. I know that reads confusing, but that’s the way the world is going. Nothing is real, and nothing to get hung about.

There never was something like a SMiLE record, they’ve been telling us for decades. In 2004, there was, but that was what Brian selected to be a part of it, without consulting the others (?). And the song list of The Smile Sessions followed this edit, on the whole, but added many others.

If you had been part of the editing team, and if it had been allowed to pick songs from other artists and different times, what would you have thrown in ?

Sometimes you’ve got to edit your dreams. Here’s my proposals, each with its connection what real SMiLE snippet they might have been able to replace. Please feel free to give yours, and please don’t forget to put the 4 ones below into the usual BOTB rating order.

Oxygen To The Brain, TLOS, 2008


H+V featuring a non-waltzy cantina section

Picasso’s Last Words, Wings, 1974

sorry, Macca again. The Old Master Painter’s elements according to Beatle Paul … life, death, songs and tetrabrik wine

Heffalumps And Woozles, no idea who and when (please find the great song behind the lousy production)

... Disney’s psychedelic cartoon Beatles on a holiday, experiencing Wilson Pooh's whole weird world back in 1967. When I got introduced to SMiLE, my first thought was my God, this must be the rest of the heffalumps and woozles opera.

I’m a Marionette, ABBA, 1977


... the Swedish Beatles’ orchestral GV 2004 rendition

I’d be happy to receive your votes by next Sunday evening. Calculations will be made on early Monday.



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Gold - Brian Wilson 

Silver - Wings 

Bronze - ABBA 

Tin - Winnie the Pooh 

Darren J. Ray

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Hopefully, this works for our UK and Canada voters: 

John B

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1. Brian Wilson, 'Oxygen to the Brain'
2. Winnie the Pooh, 'Hefalumps and Woozles'.  Pooh's best song!
3. Picasso's Last Words 'Drink to Me' by Paul & Wings
4. Abba 'I'm a Marionette'
Lee Marshall

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Tough to hand out gold this week  VERY tough... ... ...but the edge goes to McCartney over Wilson.  [by the thinnest of whiskers.]  Pooh eased into Bronze as it was interesting enough instrumentally to have been 'done' by someone inspired by Brian's use of ALL of the talents of those various cats [and kittens] in L.A.

Abba on the other hand?  Tedium.  The thought of them reuniting?  Gawd NO!!!  Please... ... ...say it isn't so!!!

McCartney-Gold.  It's just too good a song to lower even a mini notch.
Wilson-Silver.  It's almost good enough to tie...but not quite.  Would have fit perfectly on Brian's first solo album Brian Wilson.  It has that 'feel' to it
Pooh-Bronze.  The prod is severely dated for the time.  The vocals?  Too stilted.  Still.  There's something VERY cool there.

Tin...and buried at the bottom of X amount of badly composting garbage...not organic...The answer to the question ... what has 8 legs, 4 balls and sings?  Ho-hum/Ho-hum.

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Well this is easy and it seems I'm in rare posting spree, so I'll vote:

1) Oxygen - by some light years. We need a lot of it.
2) That's confusing. Drink a Last Wing to Picasso, Paul and Me, or whatever.
3) The Swedish Palindromes.
4) Lossie... oops, Winnie.
t bedford

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Wikipedia says:
"Heffalumps and Woozles" is a song from the 1968 Walt Disney musical film featurette Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day. It was written by the Sherman Brothers (Robert and Richard), and performed by The Mellomen, sometimes credited as The Mellowmen, The Mello Men, or The Mellow Men.

'Shortnin' Bread' Department:
The Kinks "Skin and Bone" (replacing "I'm in Great Shape"):

Back to vote later. A great idea for a BotB!

Check this out (at least from about 3:00 to 5:30, approx.).
Borrowed Beatles Department:

I'm not a real billionaire, but I play one on TV!
David W

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My votes : Probably my least favourite Abba track takes the Gold !

Gold - ABBA
Silver - Brian Wilson
Bronze - Wings
Tin - Winnie the Pooh
Cantina Margarita

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Great, we have the first voters already.

hey kds,

awesome track ! I never realized that ABBA was so close to King Crimson. The road to Red is short, for sure. And many thanks for your votes.

hey John B,

I knew somebody besides me would be into H&W. Both villains, by the way. Your votes have been excelled.


I know it's uncool to be an ABBA fan. But being in my fifties, I have grown so cool that I can even afford loving uncool acts. No kidding, I really love those guys. And thanks for voting.

thorgil, David:

as this is a kind of election, it seems it's necessary to advertise H&W a little bit. Just wait, I'll do my best. Thanks, too.


somebody took Lucy's diamonds from her soul and turned them back into coal.
Larry Franz

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Interesting selection, C.M. After due consideration:

Gold -- Brian Wilson -- No contest. One of the best songs on that album.

Silver -- Winnie the Pooh/Mellomen -- Appropriately hallucinatory. 

Bronze -- Abba -- Repetitious but good enough for 3rd place.

Tin -- Paul McCartney & Wings -- He had his moments, of course, but I often find his music irritating, as in this case.

For this week's theme, two of my favorite albums came to mind. They both have a beautiful, art rock indie folk baroque pop Americana sound: Fleet Foxes' first album Fleet Foxes (2008) and Sufjan Stevens, Illinois (2005).

I can't get a Fleet Foxes playlist to run here, so here's the first track, "Sun It Rises" (the opening snippet reminds me of Brian's "Gee" followed by H&V), and a link to a playlist for all 11 tracks :

The Fleet Foxes playlist:

All 22 tracks from the Illinois album (which runs an hour and 14 minutes and was the highest-rated album on the Metacritic site that year):

Somewhat on topic:

Dorothy Parker wrote a book review column for The New Yorker called "The Constant Reader". What she said about the use of “hummy” for “honey” in A.A. Milne’s The House at Pooh Corner:
It is that word ‘hummy,’ my darlings, that marks the first place in The House at Pooh Corner at which Tonstant Weader Fwowed up.

Cantina Margarita

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Thanks Larry, another one to find the acid in the Pooh song. Votes counted. I'll listen to your songs later.

What follows is advertising.

Why vote for Heffalumps and Woozles ?

Granted, I love WP more than any other cartoon hero. Must be a connection in mentality, or in intelligence, or in favourite food, who knows. Tigger is nice, too, but those H&W have always been very scary to me, since I was a kid. The clip simply got me.

In my opinion, the video sequence is great music video art, music and action fit perfectly. The trunk accordions, the hunny harp, the dissonant oboe, the disturbing kazoo are assets by themselves, equivalent to the iconic bicycle horn at the end of "You Still Believe In Me", or the famous theremin closing on Good Vibrations. The cartoon figures and their wicked tricks manage to support that oddity. The only issue is the lousy music production quality, I really missed this one on Brian's Disney album. Some of the SMiLE 3rd movement stuff seems to fit this context (thinking of On A Holiday with Nicky W. on tenterhook guitar, or "is it hot as hell in here" or He Gives Speeches, a hidden Beach Boys Jewel). I don't think the creators of H&W intended to create music for kids. And the acid related message at the end of it is too obvious, with WP returning from the clouds and regaining consciousness. I can't imagine the studio team consuming nothing but lollipops. Indeed, I think the musical inspiration was Byrds, Pet Sounds, GV, and what was known of the SMiLE material back in the day. Or the walrus or Mr Kite (the waltz!), to name British examples.

Apart from that, the song catches my ear easily. Might as well count as a primitive or silly example of early psychedelic rock.

I'd like to introduce you to the German version, which is the version inside my ear. You won't understand a word, but imo the vocals are superior to the original. Sounds pathetic and sick rather than funny.

"Heffalumps und wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooozle"

If I find the time, I will advertise the other songs, too.

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Hi all,

Gold - Brian Wilson 

Silver - Wings

Bronze - ABBA

Tin - Winnie The Pooh

Al Forsyth

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I've got this one for the week!

Gold To Sir Paul McCartney for a classic song on a classic album. 

Silver to Brian and the gang for a wonderful also album, TLOS.  Much went into making this one.  I do remember both Jeff and Taylor doing an aerobics workout during and singing this sing at the live concert of the entire album.  It was great! 

Bronze to those ABBA's - with a brilliant track below a so-so song for them.  Usually they are pop magic. 

The Tin for the Heffalumps And Woozles and it is fitting.  Could we go instead?

Paulo gets the Drink To Me part (he wrote it kind of on a dare from Dustin Hoffman - see below) - with kiddos in the background - pretty cool.

What's odd is that I'm Getting Closer (which was on Back to the Egg wasn't it?) which was much later on.
Here is what happened:

Denny Laine, the only Wing on BOTR does the entire album and does it justice:

Let's get some TLOS going here!

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
Larry Franz

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Cantina M -- I think the German H&W is even better. (Made me want to crank up my Rosetta Stone learn-German software -- first step taken, it's no longer on the floor covered in dust)

But please don't presume (if you do) that I expect the host to listen to any music I share (even if it's only two minutes long). I belong to the freewheeling contingent here, theme or no theme, many videos or none, many posts or one, strictly or tangentially related, immediate reaction or repeated exposure, open to modifications and reconsiderations. As long as the arithmetic adds up. That's sacred.

Another SMiLE-ing musician to conjure with: Panda Bear (Noah Lennox). His 2007 album Person Pitch. One brief track and a link to the whole thing:


The whole album:

Lisa G/TS

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Mr. Margarita, I'm not ready to post a ballot yet, but one of your entries made my little light bulb click on for another alternate.

"Heffalumps and Woozles" seems like an updated version of this trippy Disney classic a quarter of a century, not from "Fantasia" but 1941's "Dumbo":

As I recall, the reason they're drunk from the water bucket is that a clown's bottle of...uh..happy juice... tipped over and poured into it earlier. A very hip hallucination before it was hip to hallucinate.  [cool] 
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