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Darren J. Ray

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Thanks very much to Larry, Cindy, John B, stkilda4ever, Al, t and Graciegirl for the first batch of votes and comments. 

Wow! In contrast to last week when it quickly turned into a battle between two songs, we've had eight voters, and seven songs have received a 1st place. 

I'm tipping nine songs will pick up a 1st place this week. 

We've had three play-offs over the years where that has happened. All three were Preliminary Finals. 

If all 10 songs get at least one 1st place, it will be a first.

John B, according to Wikipedia, the single 'River Song' didn't chart. 

Again from Wiki, it lists Mike on sax in 'Shut Down'. 

stkilda4ever, it's a bit confronting to watch that clip and realise Michael Shrieve turns 70 this year. 

Looking forward to seeing which way the remaining voters go.  

Tom Tobben

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All excellent to decent songs in this week's silver playoff round. No dogs here. My rankings from top to bottom:

The best:

#1. "Soul Sacrifice", Santana. I've been a big fan of Santana ever since their first album and their eye-opening performance at Woodstock. At the time, theirs was a unique blend of rock, Latin, Caribbean, jazz, and R&B influences, especially featuring Carlos Santana's searing guitar, Gregg Rolie on keyboards, and that massive three person percussion section. A couple of my other instrumental favorites from the first Santana album with its iconic cover art, and demonstrating the band's stylistic diversity and instrumental quality, are "Jingo" with its powerful percussion section taking the lead, and interacting with Gregg Rolie on keyboards and Carlos Santana on lead guitar:

and "Treat", featuring the lovely jazzy piano work by Gregg Rolie and his interplay with Carlos on guitar:

Most of the original group reformed in 2016 to record the excellent Santana IV album, which included the lovely instrumental "Suenos", which I featured here last year in one of our battles:

There is a good reason why Carlos and his band are in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and why Carlos Santana is considered one of the greatest guitarists of the rock era. 

2. "Miss You", Rolling Stones. Unlike so many songs that feature Keith Richards' legendary guitar riffs, the Stones' famous rhythm section of Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman really stands out on this song, driving the strong dance beat. The group's 1978 album that features this song, Some Girls, was a major return to form for the Stones and became the band's top selling album in the US, and included a variety of musical styles, including some early rap on "Shattered":

3. "School Day", Chuck Berry. One of Chuck Berry's earliest hits (#3 on US Billboard charts in 1957), Chuck was quite a talented musician. Not only was he a legendary rock and roll guitarist and singer, he was also quite a talented narrative lyricist, who was adept at tapping into the white middle class teen ethos and milieu of the late 1950s. This song is a perfect example, singing about a day at school then the teens heading out to a juke joint down the street to hear their favorite music on the juke box. "I know it's only rock and roll, but I like it"! Props to our late local lifelong St. Louis homie, Chuck Berry!

4. "Your Summer Dream", Beach Boys (aka Brian). One of Brian's most gorgeous early solo ballads, with lyrical assistance by Brian's friend, Bob Norberg (thus, Mike can't take any credit or sue Brian for helping to write (or sing) on this song). Just one of numerous fine songs on the Beach Boys' Surfer Girl album, which is easily my favorite early Beach Boys album. It's so unfortunate that later on Brian damaged his gorgeous voice through too much smoking, alcohol, and drugs. On this song, his voice is so pure and pitch perfect, and Brian hits the high notes so effortlessly. 

The rest: 

5. "Strangers in the Night", Frank Sinatra. One of Frank's best from the '60s, though I'd pick "Somethin' Stupid" over this one. Not a rock and roll guy by any means, he does, however, have a way with making the most of his pop lyrics "Doo-be-doo-be-doo, doo-doo-doo-dee-dah"!

6. Walking After Midnight", Patsy Cline. What a wonderful voice she had and some excellent country crossover hits, such as this one, that also made her popular with pop music audiences. A little bit country, a little bit pop (definitely not rock and roll), sort of like Marie Osmond, I suppose, but way better. 

7. "A Day in the Life of a Tree", Beach Boys. A middling song overall, but with fascinating lyrics. On the surface, it's a song about the unhealthy environment and the damage caused by pollution, but metaphorically it's also a song about what Brian was going through personally at the beginning of the 1970s:
"One day I was full of life,
My sap was rich and I was strong.
From seed to tree I grew so tall,
Through wind and rain I could not fall.
But now my branches suffer,
And my leaves don't offer
Poetry to men of song."

8. "River Song", Dennis Wilson. A fine example of the underappreciated and underutilized talent that Dennis possessed as he matured as a musician and songwriter. His life story is a sad one -- treated as the weak musical link in the band, outshone by his two talented brothers, and regularly put down by his womanizer rival, Mike, Dennis only began to come into his own by the early 70s, but before too long his personal demons took over and he gradually spun out of control, sadly exiting the building way too soon. 

9. "Shut Down", Beach Boys. A classic example of their early car songs. This time, car aficionado Roger Christian helped Brian with the lyrics (and once again, not Mike). On the other hand, Mike's instrumental talent on the saxophone wails really stands out (as a two-note novice). A decent enough song but not up to the higher standards of "Fun Fun Fun" or "Little Deuce Coupe". 

10. "Beach Baby", First Class. We all know that the Beach Boys were THE standard for beach/cars/girls songs and related group harmonies in the '60s. As the Beach Boys drifted away from their old formula hits and faded on the charts in the early 70s, along come these pretenders to fill the void and ride the wave of  nostalgic popularity, releasing this one-hit-wonder on the heels of the Beach Boys '60s hits fabulous double LP compilation Endless Summer. Endless Summer was released earlier in the summer of 1974 and quickly rose to the top of the album charts in the US, while this song followed a couple months later and made it to #4 on the US pop charts. Originators or imitators? The answer is clear. As the old cliche' goes, "imitation is the highest form of flattery", I suppose. 

A fine silver battle this week, with the best of the best from our ninth season coming up over the next couple weeks!
Darren J. Ray

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Thanks for the votes and comments, Tom. (Mike sends his regards.)

Just to give a bit more information on 'Beach Baby'....

The First Class was essentially a studio project of John Carter. 

He hired Tony Burrows as the principal singer on that record. 

Whilst Carter could be accused of a few Beach Boys pastiches, both he and Burrows were far from one-hit wonders. 

Carter either wrote, co-wrote, co-produced, sang - or a combination of some or all - on a string of hits including:

- 'Winchester Cathedral' (as lead singer for The New Vaudeville Band; #1 in the US),
- 'Can't You Hear My Heartbeat' (#2 in the US for Herman's Hermits),
- 'Little Bit O' Soul' (#2 in the US for The Music Explosion),
- 'Knock Knock Who's There' (#2 in the UK for Mary Hopkin, #2 in Australia for Liv Maessen),
- 'Let's Go to San Francisco' (another project of Carter's that went to #4 in the UK), 
- 'Dreams are Ten a Penny' (another Carter project called Kincade, as writer and lead singer; #4 in Germany), 
- 'Is it True' (#17 in both the US and the UK for Brenda Lee),
- hits for The Ivy League including 'Funny How Love Can Be' * (also as lead singer),
- 'My World Fell Down' * (Sagittarius), 
- 'Sunday for Tea' (Peter & Gordon),
- 'I Can't Explain' (The Who, as backing vocalist)

Tony Burrows was also a vocalist on the following: 

- 'Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes)' * (Edison Lighthouse; #1 in the UK, #5 in the US), 
- 'Gimme Dat Ding' (The Pipkins; #1 in New Zealand, #6 in the UK, #9 in the US),
- 'My Baby Loves Lovin'' * (White Plains; #9 in the UK, #13 in the US),
- 'Let's Go to San Francisco' (see above), 
- 'United We Stand' (The Brotherhood of Man; #8 in Australia, #10 in the UK, #13 in the US), 
- 'Tiny Dancer' * (Elton John; back-up singer) 

* songs that have also featured in the Battle

The chart stats are quoting Wikipedia. 

Several of the 'bands' listed above, as well as The First Class, were later put together and toured to capitalise on the success of the singles, but sans the singers or musicians on the actual records.
Verden McCutcheon

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  Season 9 playoffs battle of the playoffs..silvers

                    1)Shut Down
                    2)Miss You

                    3)Walk'in After Midnight

                    4)School Day

                    5)Beach baby

                    6)Strangers in the night

                    7)River Song

                    8) Your summer dream

                    9)Soul sacrifice

                   10)A day in the life of a tree

                                                                    My Silvers


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'Winchester Cathedral' (as lead singer for The New Vaudeville Band; #1 in the US),

not to mention a Grammy winner ahead of a certain Beach Boys song
David W

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My votes , tough choice this week but based on the order I would be likely to listen to them : 

1  Miss You
2  School Day (Ring! Ring! Goes the Bell)
3  River Song
4   Shut Down 
5  Soul Sacrifice
6  Walkin’ After Midnight
7  Strangers in the Night
8  Your Summer Dream 
9  Beach Baby
10 A Day in the Life of a Tree

A live Jumpin Jack Flash with an intro by J Lennon for the deaf ?


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Reply with quote  #22 
Your Summer Dream    10 points
Strangers in the Night    9
A Day in the Life of a Tree    8
River Song    7
Shut Down    6
Beach Baby    5
Walkin’ After Midnight    4
Soul Sacrifice      3
School Day(s)   2
Miss You    1

And yet again the Stones are last from me.  I don't hate them especially, but prefer the other 9. 

Cantina Margarita

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Hi guys,

first of all: any of the 10 songs is very good to me, and “Strangers in the Night“, at first sight, seems to be a class of its own. But today is one of my thoughtful days, so the ranking will be different (from 01. best to 10. worst, if bad at all):

01. Your Summer Dream

This song's significance was highlighted 50 years and a billion ocean waves later, by 2012's great BB release, TWGMTR. Who would have suspected, back in 1963, that the the bright kids once would resume at this point, gotten old, by “the suite“, ending up with a masterpiece like “Summer's Gone“ ? Teardriving again.

02. Soul Sacrifice

This is Latin America's most important ingredient to the US pop cultural soup.

03. School Day (Ring! Ring! Goes the Bell)

This is Africa's most important ingredient to the US pop cultural soup.

04. Strangers in the Night

This is old Europe's most important ingredient to the US pop cultural soup. Here's an upbeat rendition of it, by our local Sinatra/Brel equivalent. Hope you like it. I do.

05. Miss You

This is what results when the Stones experiment on 12 track machines. A totally stoned “aah aah“ choir.[rofl]

06. River Song

a bit overproduced, but yet a great song. Knowing POB is to stop underestimating Denny.

07. Walkin’ After Midnight

My first idea was: put that hillbilly song to the last place. But this girl's voice is soooo much more.[love]

08. Shut Down

one among a thousand. But most remarkable during the C50 shows.

09. A Day in the Life of a Tree

I still can't really get warm with it. Great organ and choir work, but no human can sing like a tree, imo.

10. Beach Baby

Nice production, almost briantific. But “from July to the end of September“ hints at a rather artificial subpolar effort to imitate the real thing, in which the beach season is twice as long.

I like tough competition like this. Now it’s ice hockey time again (leave soccer to the rest).

bonnie bella

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No time to scrutinise this week, but inserting my two cents anyway.

I'd Have to put Denny at the top, followed by Santana, then the Rolling Stones, closely followed by Patsy. The rest is just white noise today.



Clowns divorce: custardy battle.     Simon Munnery

paul g adsett

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?did my 'pooter malfunction?
i got allsorts of weieieierd copies bopping about.
(sorry - a later reedit as the wonkiness coninued and poor old chuck berry got nudged waydownwards...
there's none this week i actively dislike.
but, at the same time,
there's only one that would really sit uptop
and compete with the best of other play offs so far.
there's a solid mid-table,
a short burst of british popfully popness
with a murky morass at the bottom of below par beachboydomness.
10 points: 'river song'
9: 'walkin' after midnight'
8: 'strangers in the night'
7: 'school day (ring! ring! goes the bell)' (fits in here...)
6: 'a day in the life of a tree'
5: 'miss you'
4: ' soul sacrifice'
3: 'beach baby'
2: 'shut down'
1: 'your summer dream'


eieierd stuff boppinga bout

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1 - Your Summer Dream
2 - Walkin’ After Midnight
3 - Strangers in the Night
4 - Soul Sacrifice
5 - Shut Down
6 - A Day in the Life of a Tree
7 - Miss You
8 - River Song
9 - School Day (Ring! Ring! Goes the Bell)
10 - Beach Baby

I try hard to be strong
But sometimes I fail myself
And after all I've promised you
So faithfully
You still believe in me
I wanna cry . . .”

Darren J. Ray

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OK, the polling booth has now closed. 

Results to follow in a couple of hours.
Darren J. Ray

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Results from Week 3 of the Play-Offs (Battle of the Silvers)...

Hi everyone.

Here are the results from Week 3 of the Play-Offs (the Battle of the Silvers):- 

1. Miss You (single version) (The Rolling Stones - 1978) (three 1st places) - 102

2. Walkin’ After Midnight (Patsy Cline - 1957) (one 1st place) - 99

3. Your Summer Dream (The Beach Boys - 1963) (four 1st places) - 98.5

4. Soul Sacrifice (live) (Santana - 1969) (two 1st places) - 94

5. School Day (Ring! Ring! Goes the Bell) (Chuck Berry - 1957/1958) (one 1st place) - 93.5

6. Strangers in the Night (Frank Sinatra - 1966) (nil 1st places) - 93.5

7. River Song (Dennis Wilson - 1977) (two 1st places) - 88

8. Shut Down (The Beach Boys - 1963) (one 1st place) - 87.5

9. A Day in the Life of a Tree (The Beach Boys - 1971) (one 1st place) - 64.5

10. Beach Baby (The First Class - 1974) (one 1st place) - 59.5

Thanks to everyone who took the time to vote.

We had 16 voters for the week, the same as the prior two weeks.

Special thanks to D.A.N for scrutinising the votes for me.

For the second week in a row, the last voter (Deb again!) determined the result.

Congratulations to Cindy Hood who selected ‘Miss You’ in her Week 39.

The song that beat the Rolling Stones in Week 39 was ‘Good Timin’’ (The Beach Boys - 1979).

Usually, that would mean both songs would now progress to the Preliminary Final.

However, ‘Good Timin’’ has already qualified in its own right for next week’s Gold Play-Off.

In theory, Cindy may have picked the ultimate Gold & Silver songs of the year in her Week 39. Time will tell.

Congratulations also to Larry Franz who selected ‘Walkin’ After Midnight’ in his Week 29.

As runner-up in this Silver Play-Off, this song does not progress.

There are three songs that have been deemed ‘ahead’ of it.

They are ‘Good Timin’’, ‘Miss You’, by virtue of this week’s and Week 39’s result, and ‘I Go to Pieces’ (Peter and Gordon) which beat it by two points in Week 29.

But the second placing for ‘Walkin’ After Midnight’ this week ensures ‘I Go to Pieces’ is included in the Preliminary.

The 7th place for ‘River Song’ also means last week’s Bronze Play-Off winner, ‘Everybody’s Talkin’’ (Nilsson - 1968), does not progress any further. The song that won the Gold in their Week 10, ‘The Sun Ain’t Gonna Shine Anymore’ (The Walker Brothers - 1966), is the only one of the three that does progress to the Preliminary.

‘Miss You’ came into the Silver Play-Off ranked 1st in the Silvers for the year and the result vindicated that.

The Battle record for the Rolling Stones is now:

Gimme Shelter (a Silver in Week 2 of Season I, 5th in Silver Play-Off - Wow! Great Concert!),
Harlem Shuffle (a Silver in Week 37 of Season I - Gordon Higgins),
(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction (a Bronze in Week 26 of Season III - Kevin Witts),
Mixed Emotions (a Silver in Week 9 of Season IV - Verden McCutcheon),
Angie (a Gold in Week 10 of Season IV, 7th in Preliminary Final - Jo McGuire),
Not Fade Away (a Bronze in Week 21 of Season IV - Al Forsyth),
Start Me Up (a Silver in Week 1 of Season V - Larry  Franz),
Get Off of My Cloud (a Silver in Week 7 of Season VI, 4th in Silver Play-Off - Deb #1),
Around and Around (live) (a Silver in Week 22 of Season VI - Rosemary l),
Honky Tonk Women (a Bronze in Week 28 of Season VII - Al Forsyth),
Gimme Shelter (a Bronze in Week 2 of Season IX - Larry Franz),
Miss You (a Silver in Week 39 of Season IX, 1st in Silver Play-Off - Cindy Hood *)

* still in contention

Over the past nine years, the first place winners of the Silver Play-Off, and their eventual placings, have been:

Season I - ‘Here Comes the Sun’ (The Beatles) (Tom Tobben) (finished 8th in Preliminary Final)
Season II - ‘What is Life’ (George Harrison) (Cynthia D. Hood) (finished 6th in Gold Play-Off)
Season III - ‘Help!’ (The Beatles) (Kevin Witts) (finished 4th in Preliminary Final)
Season IV - ‘Penny Lane’ (The Beatles) (Al Forsyth) (finished 2nd in Gold Play-Off)
Season V - ‘The Warmth of the Sun’ (The Beach Boys) (Jo McGuire) (finished 2nd in Gold Play-Off)
Season VI - ‘All This Is That’ (The Beach Boys) (D.A.N) (finished 4th in Preliminary Final)
Season VII - ‘Help!’ (The Beatles) (BrianFan) (finished 5th in Preliminary Final)
Season VIII - ’Catch a Wave’ (The Beach Boys) (finished 9th in Preliminary Final)
Season IX - ‘Miss You’ (The Rolling Stones) ?

Dissecting the numbers….

‘Miss You’ took the lead with the ninth voter (Tom Tobben) and, whilst always challenged, was never headed after that.

The lowest score for ‘Miss You’ was a 10th place (from D.A.N). Its second lowest placing was a 9th (from yours truly). Only seven of the remaining 14 voters had it in their Top 3.

But seven Top 3 placings was the equal highest, shared with ‘Your Summer Dream’ and ‘Strangers in the Night’.

The only songs to not score a 10th place from any voter were ‘School Day’ (two 9th places) and ‘Shut Down’ (two 9th places).

Just about every song was a polariser. ‘Beach Baby’ was the only one of the 10 that didn’t receive BOTH multiple Top 3 (just the one, a 1st place, from yours truly) AND multiple bottom 3 (seven) rankings.

Nine songs received at least one 1st place; only ‘Strangers in the Night’ missing out (but three 2nd places and four 3rd places).

The most outright 10th places went to ’A Day in the Life of a Tree’ with four. The next worst was ‘Beach Baby’ with three.  

Three tracks had previous Battle history.

‘School Day’ had won a Silver in Week 24 of Season VII (Larry Franz).

‘River Song’ had won a Gold in Week 4 of Season VII (t Bedford).

‘A Day in the Life of a Tree’ had won a Silver in Week 10 of Season III (Tom Tobben).

A demo version of ‘River Song’ had won a Silver in Week 43 of Season III (paul g adsett).

Also, a live version of ‘Shut Down’ had won a Gold in Week 25 of Season VI.

No play-offs resulted in any of these instances.  

The competition now goes up another notch.

The top three from this week’s Preliminary Final will play off in next week’s Battle of the Golds, where we will crown the Gold, Silver and Bronze songs of the year.

This week is now closed. 


Cindy Hood

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Just amazing! 

The results and your meticulous statistics of our Battle of the Bands!
Can you believe that we're coming up on Season 10?  That's amazing, too!  

Thank you so much for all you do for us.

Are you up for another year?

"They're not gonna catch us. We're on a mission from God".
Al Forsyth

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The legal accounting team of Ray, Ray, DAN, and Ray worked overtime on this one.  Exactly, Cindy, no one else (there has to be multiple Rays on this accounting team working) could work all of this through.  It seems impossible to comprehend.  It goes to show how important that each week really is as it leads to the bigger picture.  Interesting how Silvers went on to finish as well and very limited as to the acts who eventually took the Silver spot. Patsy would have broken ranks, as if the Stones didn't.  Quite a list and all so well documented.  Your Summer Dream was quite interesting in this mix.  

One thing to add, Darren, the Stones are still gathering no moss.  If you get the chance to see them/hear them, you would be quite amazed.  They're at it again this year and Cindy led their incentive here at BOTB. 

The early shot in this of the original three and it comes in later.

A diamond necklace played the pawn...
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